Funny how much a big win can turn things around

[thebigabd]

Seems like every time the board starts melting down they get a big win, and things start to clear up... Good chance for that tonight at home. I bet you see a good product on the floor tonight.

 

[cvangild]

Totally agree. It's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. That rule of thumb always seems to hold true...except for the end of last season. That was truly one of the worst streaks in OU b-ball that I can remember. Last season truly defined how important team chemistry can be! But I do smell a victory tonight. Let's hope we're both right!!

 

[Stikboy]

I mean honestly a win over ISU would be great, but in the grand scheme of things, big deal.. Anything can happen with any college basketball team on any night. Now, if they beat ISU, but also end the year on a tear, and demonstrate that they've turned a corner in culture, toughness, and attitude, then hey by all means let's get excited!

If they won the rest of their home games and took 2 more on the road, and at least had the look of a scrappy team that is very tough to beat and very competitive, that would really be the only thing that could move my needle. And i'm pretty sure we all know that isn't going to happen. I'd give anything for it TO happen, though.

 

[mict085]

It’s hard to trust this team based on what they’ve done since conference play started. We’ll see

 

[sperry]

Seems like every time the board starts melting down they get a big win, and things start to clear up... Good chance for that tonight at home. I bet you see a good product on the floor tonight.

Vegas seems to think so, with a headscratching 2.5 point spread.

Maybe it's because they know Kansas is destined to backdoor their way into winning the conference, and ISU dropping a game like this is exactly how that kind of thing will happen.

 

[sooner8]

A win over Iowa State would be great,but this team doesn't play well at home either.There is just no leadership on this team.Go Sooners!!!

 

[WichitaSooner]

Vegas seems to think so, with a headscratching 2.5 point spread.

Maybe it's because they know Kansas is destined to backdoor their way into winning the conference, and ISU dropping a game like this is exactly how that kind of thing will happen.

Backdoor their way to a title by winning more games than anyone else in a league where everyone plays the same schedule? How exactly is that backdooring anything?

 

[sperry]

Backdoor their way to a title by winning more games than anyone else in a league where everyone plays the same schedule? How exactly is that backdooring anything?

You are insufferable.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You are insufferable.

Nice work. You can't dispute my point, so you make it personal. It is a legit question that I asked. You have been saying how awful KU is relative to pas seasons and have strongly hinted that the streak will end. Now you seem to be backtracking, but act like it will be a 'backdoor" title if they win. I legitimately want to know what that means. Every team plays 18 games, 9 home and 9 road. KU will play 17 of those without their second best player. If they do manage to win it, how could it be based on anything than merit? They could legitimately be said to have gotten fortunate multiple times when they got to beat up on the old North division while OU, UT, and OSU slugged it out in the South, but the great thing about a double round robin is that it puts everyone on a level playing field.

 

[sperry]

Nice work. You can't dispute my point, so you make it personal. It is a legit question that I asked. You have been saying how awful KU is relative to pas seasons and have strongly hinted that the streak will end. Now you seem to be backtracking, but act like it will be a 'backdoor" title if they win. I legitimately want to know what that means. Every team plays 18 games, 9 home and 9 road. KU will play 17 of those without their second best player. If they do manage to win it, how could it be based on anything than merit? They could legitimately be said to have gotten fortunate multiple times when they got to beat up on the old North division while OU, UT, and OSU slugged it out in the South, but the great thing about a double round robin is that it puts everyone on a level playing field.

Not backtracking at all. By backdooring, I mean teams in front of them choke and lose games they have no business losing; ISU losing at OU would be a prime example.


As far as merit goes. Sure, if you win the conference, you earned it. There's no asterisk. But there is no doubt that this is KU's weakest team under Self, and they've had the great fortune of having that happen in the worst year for the league in a long time.

 

[opsooner]

I thought at the time that @okie lite and then Vandy were the wins that would help us get momentum. I was wrong.

I obviously want to win tonight and it will be a beautiful thing if we do but it won’t mean anything to me about momentum. It will just be a relief to me that we got this one.


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[Soonerinkc]

Just like WV's big win against KU?...didn't do jack for them.

Of course I'd like to see OU win...doesn't mean a whole lot, except winning 1 more game.

Not a lot of faith that will happen.

BOOMER~

 

[coolm]

Not a lot of faith that will happen.

I dont see a snowball's chance in hades of OU winning this game and I'd LOVE to be wrong.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I dont see a snowball's chance in hades of OU winning this game and I'd LOVE to be wrong.

OU is +2.5

 

[WichitaSooner]

Just like WV's big win against KU?...didn't do jack for them.

Of course I'd like to see OU win...doesn't mean a whole lot, except winning 1 more game.

Not a lot of faith that will happen.

BOOMER~

This kind of reminds me of what Bob Stoops frequently said after he lost the "Big Game Bob" title. Essentially, his point was that the only games that anyone wanted to call "big" in retrospect were the losses, whereas when they won, people treated it as a routine game.

Every time we lose a game now, people act like it is a referendum on the program and Lon and where things stand. If every loss is that meaningful, then why don't wins matter just as much? Saying it would be a big win doesn't mean that people would be predicting that it will lead to a winning streak, but a win over a ranked team is always big when you are fighting for a berth/seed.

 

[scrybe]

I dont see a snowball's chance in hades of OU winning this game and I'd LOVE to be wrong.

LOL. The odds might be SLIGHTLY better than that snowball's, but just slightly.

 

[scrybe]

This kind of reminds me of what Bob Stoops frequently said after he lost the "Big Game Bob" title. Essentially, his point was that the only games that anyone wanted to call "big" in retrospect were the losses, whereas when they won, people treated it as a routine game.

Every time we lose a game now, people act like it is a referendum on the program and Lon and where things stand. If every loss is that meaningful, then why don't wins matter just as much? Saying it would be a big win doesn't mean that people would be predicting that it will lead to a winning streak, but a win over a ranked team is always big when you are fighting for a berth/seed.

I agree. I guess that makes us both insufferable.

 

[coolm]

Every time we lose a game now, people act like it is a referendum on the program and Lon and where things stand. If every loss is that meaningful, then why don't wins matter just as much?

Please. Spare me. When I am upbeat I am a "sunshine pumper" who should let others express disgust. When I and some others are finally fed up we are "insufferably negative".

Coach Lon gets paid too much money for his teams to be this unresponsive the last few years. He has lost any fire he had and it shows on the floor. Time to take up that golf game in Vegas.

I'd rather pay less to a young guy with a defensive-minded attitude and a couple of excellent assistants with recruiting ties. We have established no program identity under Lon and that seems a waste for the money Joe C. shelled out.

 

[Soonerinkc]

This kind of reminds me of what Bob Stoops frequently said after he lost the "Big Game Bob" title. Essentially, his point was that the only games that anyone wanted to call "big" in retrospect were the losses, whereas when they won, people treated it as a routine game.

Every time we lose a game now, people act like it is a referendum on the program and Lon and where things stand. If every loss is that meaningful, then why don't wins matter just as much? Saying it would be a big win doesn't mean that people would be predicting that it will lead to a winning streak, but a win over a ranked team is always big when you are fighting for a berth/seed.

I tend to watch more HOW the game is played...vs W/L.
The TOTAL lackluster effort the last 2 games tells me enough. 1 game at a time.

I'll be at the b12 tourney...spring break FINALLY landed right in 30 yrs (that i remember)...at every OU gsme they play...cheering them on.

Losses suck but playing with not a lot of effort (so it seems) sucks more.

As far as being a big "win"...yes it helps but if OU goes 1/6 in Feb that win wont mean jack.
4/12 isnt going to the ncaa...

 

[WichitaSooner]

Please. Spare me. When I am upbeat I am a "sunshine pumper" who should let others express disgust. When I and some others are finally fed up we are "insufferably negative".

Coach Lon gets paid too much money for his teams to be this unresponsive the last few years. He has lost any fire he had and it shows on the floor. Time to take up that golf game in Vegas.

I'd rather pay less to a young guy with a defensive-minded attitude and a couple of excellent assistants with recruiting ties. We have established no program identity under Lon and that seems a waste for the money Joe C. shelled out.

What does this have to do with my post? I didn't say anything about you being insufferable. All I said (in response to a different poster) is that if a game is "big," it is big whether we win or lose.

As for establishing identity, I think a lot of teams with an established identity would be happy to trade that for a Final Four, a national POY, and one of the best freshmen in history, all within a few short years. KSU has an identity as tough, great defensively, and a pain to play against. They also haven't made the Final Four in 55 years. Lots of the programs and coaches that get love here are in the same boat. This doesn't mean that Lon gets a pass if things continue down the wrong path, but I think Joe C would probably feel like a Final Four within five years of the Capel debacle in and of itself made Lon's contract money well spent.