Future of Moser

[WichitaSooner]

C'mon. you were a big Lon Kruger fan. How is this season any different than Kruger's teams from 2018 - 2021? We all want better, but your posts back then were defending those 2018-2021 squads...and that is exactly what we have in the 2024 team. We're all clamoring for a year which we don't go into March wondering if we're going to be .500 in conference or in the Dance - but we haven't had that type of year since 2016...long before most on this board even heard of Porter Moser.

You’re right, but here is the difference: for Lon, those years followed multiple years of making the tourney as a fairly highly seed. In other words, his worst years (excluding season one when he had no chance, and the awful 2017 season, which I understand he deserves some blame for), were years where we ended up in the 8/9 area of the bracket. For Moser, this is the BEST season he has produced, and even though many people won’t want to admit it, our record is significantly inflated by our noncon schedule And while people can spin it and say we ALMOST beat Tech and Houston, the fact remains, we didn’t. And those are the only two losses against teams ahead of us in the league where we were truly competitive. The rest of the time, we have been out of the game by around the midway point of the second half. In that way, it reminds me of 2008. We had a better season that year and were a 6 seed, but we got steamrolled by the better teams on the schedule. That was a major red flag to me when it came to Capel.

To be clear, I’m not saying that if you look at this season in isolation, Moser has been awful. I’m saying that when this is the highest level he has taken us to in three seasons, and when you see core players not improving at all, I just don’t think he is the guy to get our program where we want it to be.

Add in his apparent flirtations with other schools, our lack of any identity, and how painful it is to watch our offense 90 percent of the time, and I just am not a fan of the guy. People are mocking Indiana for keeping Woodson, but he made the tourney his first two years and actually got them a very high seed last season. And be honest, it’s not like Indiana was INDIANA anymore when he took over. I’m very glad we managed to pull out an ugly win against a struggling Cincy team, and that we hit a prayer in Stillwater. It’ll be nice seeing our name next Sunday for the first time in three calendar years. But I want more, and I don’t see Moser being the guy to get us there.

 

[Eielson]

I will disagree with you here. For the sake of good debate.

I think Cincy, with 17-13 and only one KenPom top-25 win on their resume. Quad1 (3-10) is similar to us...however Quad3 (3-2) is a big no no.
Unless they have a miracle run in them in the Big12 tournament, I would keep them out over several of the other bubblers.

They're 17-13, but that's with OU sweeping them. In the scenario I proposed, they would be 19-11 and likely favored to make that 20-11 going into the conference tourney after the upcoming WVU game at home. That's definitely tourney-bound.

 

[Boom Soon]

They're 17-13, but that's with OU sweeping them. In the scenario I proposed, they would be 19-11 and likely favored to make that 20-11 going into the conference tourney after the upcoming WVU game at home. That's definitely tourney-bound.

Yep! Cincy is a good basketball team. OU swept em. May not look super great on paper but when thinking about how OU compares to other tourney teams I take the two wins over Cincy in account.

 

[Boom Soon]

You’re right, but here is the difference: for Lon, those years followed multiple years of making the tourney as a fairly highly seed. In other words, his worst years (excluding season one when he had no chance, and the awful 2017 season, which I understand he deserves some blame for), were years that we ended up in the 8/9 area of the bracket. For Moser, this is the BEST season he has produced, and even though many people won’t want to admit it, our record is significantly inflated by our noncon schedule And while people can spin it and say we ALMOST beat Tech and Houston, the fact remains, we didn’t. And those are the only two losses agains teams ahead of us in the league where we were truly competitive. The rest of the time, we have been out of the game by around the midway point of the second half. In that way, it reminds me of 2008. We had a better season that year and were a 6 seed, but we got steamrolled by the better teams on the schedule. That was a major red flag to me when it came to Capel.

To be clear, I’m not saying that if you look at this season in isolation, Moser has been awful. I’m saying that when this is the highest level he has taken us to in three seasons, and when you see you see core players not improving at all, I just don’t think he is the guy to get our program where we want it to be.

Add in his apparent flirtations with other schools, our lack of any identity, and how painful it is to watch our offense 90 percent of the time, and I just am not a fan of the guy. People are mocking Indiana for keeping Woodson, but he made the tourney his first two years and actually got them a very high seed last season. And be honest, it’s not like Indiana was INDIANA anymore when he took over. I’m very glad we manage to pull out an ugly win against a struggling Cincy team, and that we hit a prayer in Stillwater. It’ll be nice seeing our name next Sunday for the first time in three calendar years. But I want more, and I don’t see Moser being the guy to get us there.

This! This a very reasonable take. Lon has some grace because he took OU far in the tourney twice. Moser has little grace because his best year after three years at OU will most likely be a 10 seed in the tourney.

 

[steverocks35]

You’re right, but here is the difference: for Lon, those years followed multiple years of making the tourney as a fairly highly seed. In other words, his worst years (excluding season one when he had no chance, and the awful 2017 season, which I understand he deserves some blame for), were years that we ended up in the 8/9 area of the bracket. For Moser, this is the BEST season he has produced, and even though many people won’t want to admit it, our record is significantly inflated by our noncon schedule And while people can spin it and say we ALMOST beat Tech and Houston, the fact remains, we didn’t. And those are the only two losses agains teams ahead of us in the league where we were truly competitive. The rest of the time, we have been out of the game by around the midway point of the second half. In that way, it reminds me of 2008. We had a better season that year and were a 6 seed, but we got steamrolled by the better teams on the schedule. That was a major red flag to me when it came to Capel.

To be clear, I’m not saying that if you look at this season in isolation, Moser has been awful. I’m saying that when this is the highest level he has taken us to in three seasons, and when you see you see core players not improving at all, I just don’t think he is the guy to get our program where we want it to be.

Add in his apparent flirtations with other schools, our lack of any identity, and how painful it is to watch our offense 90 percent of the time, and I just am not a fan of the guy. People are mocking Indiana for keeping Woodson, but he made the tourney his first two years and actually got them a very high seed last season. And be honest, it’s not like Indiana was INDIANA anymore when he took over. I’m very glad we manage to pull out an ugly win against a struggling Cincy team, and that we hit a prayer in Stillwater. It’ll be nice seeing our name next Sunday for the first time in three calendar years. But I want more, and I don’t see Moser being the guy to get us there.

This is exactly where I'm at

 

[Maverick008]

This! This a very reasonable take. Lon has some grace because he took OU far in the tourney twice. Moser has little grace because his best year after three years at OU will most likely be a 10 seed in the tourney.

This is the concern? So what about these results:

Sampson's first 5 seasons at OU:

26	1998-99	Big 12	22	11	.667	11	5	.688	13.28	4.97	68.1	60.0		23		Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal	13	Kelvin Sampson (22-11)
27	1997-98	Big 12	22	11	.667	11	5	.688	9.41	4.19	74.6	68.3	20	18		Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	10	Kelvin Sampson (22-11)
28	1996-97	Big 12	19	11	.633	9	7	.563	13.97	5.03	74.3	65.3				Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	11	Kelvin Sampson (19-11)
29	1995-96	Big 8	17*	13*	.567	8	6	.571	12.79	6.83	79.0	73.1				Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	10	Kelvin Sampson (17-13)
30	1994-95	Big 8	23	9	.719	9	5	.643	15.22	7.10	81.7	73.6		16	17	Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	4	Kelvin Sampson (23-9)

After Sampsons first season with Tubbs players, Sampson followed that up with FOUR consecutive years of double digit seeds and around the 20 win mark. The last 2 of those years he was 11-5 in conf which some here claim to be the end all yet due to his non con schedule/record he was getting double digit seeds. It wasn't like he was showing significant improvement going from 19-22 wins in years 3-5. With this crowd, they would have wanted him gone after year 3.

Capel's 5 seasons at OU:

14	2010-11	Big 12	14	18	.438	5	11	.313	3.71	6.42	66.0	68.7						Jeff Capel (14-18)
15	2009-10	Big 12	13*	18*	.419	4	12	.250	6.24	7.79	72.1	73.6	17	17				Jeff Capel (13-18)
16	2008-09	Big 12	30	6	.833	13	3	.813	18.07	6.88	78.7	67.5	12	2	7	Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Final	2	Jeff Capel (30-6)
17	2007-08	Big 12	23	12	.657	9	7	.563	11.97	7.85	67.9	63.8				Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	6	Jeff Capel (23-12)
18	2006-07	Big 12	16	15	.516	6	10	.375	13.02	7.23	66.8	59.6						Jeff Capel (16-15)

After Capel's first 3 years, it looked like OU hit a homerun. The 2nd and 3rd were "Blake years" which obviously made a huge difference then 4 and 5 were awful.

Kruger's first 6 years:

8	2016-17	Big 12	11	20	.355	5	13	.278	11.42	12.62	73.0	74.2						Lon Kruger (11-20)
9	2015-16	Big 12	29	8	.784	12	6	.667	19.76	11.14	79.7	71.1	8	1	7	Lost NCAA Tournament National Semifinal	2	Lon Kruger (29-8)
10	2014-15	Big 12	24	11	.686	12	6	.667	18.65	9.94	71.5	62.7	19	13	13	Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal	3	Lon Kruger (24-11)
11	2013-14	Big 12	23	10	.697	12	6	.667	14.91	8.97	81.9	76.0		17	21	Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	5	Lon Kruger (23-10)
12	2012-13	Big 12	20	12	.625	12	7	.632	11.40	7.08	70.6	66.3				Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	10	Lon Kruger (20-12)
13	2011-12	Big 12	15	16	.484	5	13	.278	7.28	6.67	69.1	68.5						Lon Kruger (15-16)

Kruger came in and righted the ship really quickly only to tank in year 6 of his tenure. To his credit he semi-flipped it around again before calling it quits but nothing like years 3-5.

Moser's first 3 years:

1	2023-24	Big 12	20	10	.667	8	9	.471	15.91	8.18	75.4	67.7		7				Porter Moser (20-10)
2	2022-23	Big 12	15	17	.469	5	13	.278	11.38	11.25	67.7	67.5						Porter Moser (15-17)
3	2021-22	Big 12	19	16	.543	7	11	.389	14.12	10.10	69.1	65.0						Porter Moser (19-16)

For those claiming Moser isn't building anything, by year 3 it's been his best year to date which is what you would hope, he's reached 20+ wins and still has the chance to finish .500 in the best league in basketball one year removed from finishing 8 games under .500 (which is obviously awful) and because people don't like his style, claim he doesn't have the program headed in the right direction.

Be careful what you wish for.....

Tang and Gates were last years "homerun" hires based off the first year they had (26-10 and 25-10 respectively) and this year they both have had moderate to severely worse results (17-13 and 8-22) and in today's world could be on the hot seat/fired after next year depending on how the next season goes.

Some keep pointing out that in today's world you should be able to flip a roster and "build" a fantastic team overnight which can be done but it can also completely backfire.

Musselman a guy that has made a living off of flipping a team year in and year out starting at Nevada finally had that backfire this year in a way that some are calling for his job where he is 110-57 finishing year 5.

It's hard to convince any kid that he should "sit and learn" in today's world when others are promising the world down the street. But if you sit and learn your freshman year, all the sudden you can't play and aren't good enough and can't get better.

It's clear that some here won't be happy unless ANYONE else is coaching next year other than Moser but to claim the guy "isn't it" or "doesn't have the program headed in the right direction" after 3 years is more opinion than fact.

Claiming an assistant with zero head coaching experience can come in and "right the ship" and take OU to greater heights but "might not work" is fantastic hedging

In all honesty, I'd like to see Moser get another year based off of this year and the way he seemed to learn from the last 2 seasons in how he needed to approach the "athleticism" of the team in the off season. I feel like this season should give him more momentum recruiting both HS players and transfers but you never know.

Obviously if he is choosing to leave, that's a different story, but until the guy is out the door, as an OU fan I will cheer for the guy sitting on the bench to have as much success as possible.

 

[steverocks35]

This is the concern? So what about these results:

Sampson's first 5 seasons at OU:

26	1998-99	Big 12	22	11	.667	11	5	.688	13.28	4.97	68.1	60.0		23		Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal	13	Kelvin Sampson (22-11)
27	1997-98	Big 12	22	11	.667	11	5	.688	9.41	4.19	74.6	68.3	20	18		Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	10	Kelvin Sampson (22-11)
28	1996-97	Big 12	19	11	.633	9	7	.563	13.97	5.03	74.3	65.3				Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	11	Kelvin Sampson (19-11)
29	1995-96	Big 8	17*	13*	.567	8	6	.571	12.79	6.83	79.0	73.1				Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	10	Kelvin Sampson (17-13)
30	1994-95	Big 8	23	9	.719	9	5	.643	15.22	7.10	81.7	73.6		16	17	Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	4	Kelvin Sampson (23-9)

After Sampsons first season with Tubbs players, Sampson followed that up with FOUR consecutive years of double digit seeds and around the 20 win mark. The last 2 of those years he was 11-5 in conf which some here claim to be the end all yet due to his non con schedule/record he was getting double digit seeds. It wasn't like he was showing significant improvement going from 19-22 wins in years 3-5. With this crowd, they would have wanted him gone after year 3.

Capel's 5 seasons at OU:

14	2010-11	Big 12	14	18	.438	5	11	.313	3.71	6.42	66.0	68.7						Jeff Capel (14-18)
15	2009-10	Big 12	13*	18*	.419	4	12	.250	6.24	7.79	72.1	73.6	17	17				Jeff Capel (13-18)
16	2008-09	Big 12	30	6	.833	13	3	.813	18.07	6.88	78.7	67.5	12	2	7	Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Final	2	Jeff Capel (30-6)
17	2007-08	Big 12	23	12	.657	9	7	.563	11.97	7.85	67.9	63.8				Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	6	Jeff Capel (23-12)
18	2006-07	Big 12	16	15	.516	6	10	.375	13.02	7.23	66.8	59.6						Jeff Capel (16-15)

After Capel's first 3 years, it looked like OU hit a homerun. The 2nd and 3rd were "Blake years" which obviously made a huge difference then 4 and 5 were awful.

Kruger's first 6 years:

8	2016-17	Big 12	11	20	.355	5	13	.278	11.42	12.62	73.0	74.2						Lon Kruger (11-20)
9	2015-16	Big 12	29	8	.784	12	6	.667	19.76	11.14	79.7	71.1	8	1	7	Lost NCAA Tournament National Semifinal	2	Lon Kruger (29-8)
10	2014-15	Big 12	24	11	.686	12	6	.667	18.65	9.94	71.5	62.7	19	13	13	Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal	3	Lon Kruger (24-11)
11	2013-14	Big 12	23	10	.697	12	6	.667	14.91	8.97	81.9	76.0		17	21	Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	5	Lon Kruger (23-10)
12	2012-13	Big 12	20	12	.625	12	7	.632	11.40	7.08	70.6	66.3				Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	10	Lon Kruger (20-12)
13	2011-12	Big 12	15	16	.484	5	13	.278	7.28	6.67	69.1	68.5						Lon Kruger (15-16)

Kruger came in and righted the ship really quickly only to tank in year 6 of his tenure. To his credit he semi-flipped it around again before calling it quits but nothing like years 3-5.

Moser's first 3 years:

1	2023-24	Big 12	20	10	.667	8	9	.471	15.91	8.18	75.4	67.7		7				Porter Moser (20-10)
2	2022-23	Big 12	15	17	.469	5	13	.278	11.38	11.25	67.7	67.5						Porter Moser (15-17)
3	2021-22	Big 12	19	16	.543	7	11	.389	14.12	10.10	69.1	65.0						Porter Moser (19-16)

For those claiming Moser isn't building anything, by year 3 it's been his best year to date which is what you would hope, he's reached 20+ wins and still has the chance to finish .500 in the best league in basketball one year removed from finishing 8 games under .500 (which is obviously awful) and because people don't like his style, claim he doesn't have the program headed in the right direction.

Be careful what you wish for.....

Tang and Gates were last years "homerun" hires based off the first year they had (26-10 and 25-10 respectively) and this year they both have had moderate to severely worse results (17-13 and 8-22) and in today's world could be on the hot seat/fired after next year depending on how the next season goes.

Some keep pointing out that in today's world you should be able to flip a roster and "build" a fantastic team overnight which can be done but it can also completely backfire.

Musselman a guy that has made a living off of flipping a team year in and year out starting at Nevada finally had that backfire this year in a way that some are calling for his job where he is 110-57 finishing year 5.

It's hard to convince any kid that he should "sit and learn" in today's world when others are promising the world down the street. But if you sit and learn your freshman year, all the sudden you can't play and aren't good enough and can't get better.

It's clear that some here won't be happy unless ANYONE else is coaching next year other than Moser but to claim the guy "isn't it" or "doesn't have the program headed in the right direction" after 3 years is more opinion than fact.

Claiming an assistant with zero head coaching experience can come in and "right the ship" and take OU to greater heights but "might not work" is fantastic hedging

In all honesty, I'd like to see Moser get another year based off of this year and the way he seemed to learn from the last 2 seasons in how he needed to approach the "athleticism" of the team in the off season. I feel like this season should give him more momentum recruiting both HS players and transfers but you never know.

Obviously if he is choosing to leave, that's a different story, but until the guy is out the door, as an OU fan I will cheer for the guy sitting on the bench to have as much success as possible.

The eye test tells me that we have hardly improved at all over last season. Yes we'll sneak into the tournament but the player development is severely lacking in my opinion. We are an undisciplined team. And our offensive "system" (I use that term loosely) is putrid. I just think Moser is a poor fit for the OU job. Who is a good fit? That I don't know off the top of my head. I don't think anybody knows for sure until the coach starts and you see where the program goes.

 

[IndySooner]

The eye test tells me that we have hardly improved at all over last season. Yes we'll sneak into the tournament but the player development is severely lacking in my opinion. We are an undisciplined team. And our offensive "system" (I use that term loosely) is putrid. I just think Moser is a poor fit for the OU job. Who is a good fit? That I don't know off the top of my head. I don't think anybody knows for sure until the coach starts and you see where the program goes.

Eye test. LOL

 

[steverocks35]

Eye test. LOL

Yes I watch basketball and form opinions about what I see on the court. SHOCKING!

 

[TINY]

This is the concern? So what about these results:

Sampson's first 5 seasons at OU:

26	1998-99	Big 12	22	11	.667	11	5	.688	13.28	4.97	68.1	60.0		23		Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal	13	Kelvin Sampson (22-11)
27	1997-98	Big 12	22	11	.667	11	5	.688	9.41	4.19	74.6	68.3	20	18		Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	10	Kelvin Sampson (22-11)
28	1996-97	Big 12	19	11	.633	9	7	.563	13.97	5.03	74.3	65.3				Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	11	Kelvin Sampson (19-11)
29	1995-96	Big 8	17*	13*	.567	8	6	.571	12.79	6.83	79.0	73.1				Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	10	Kelvin Sampson (17-13)
30	1994-95	Big 8	23	9	.719	9	5	.643	15.22	7.10	81.7	73.6		16	17	Lost NCAA Tournament First Round	4	Kelvin Sampson (23-9)

After Sampsons first season with Tubbs players, Sampson followed that up with FOUR consecutive years of double digit seeds and around the 20 win mark. The last 2 of those years he was 11-5 in conf which some here claim to be the end all yet due to his non con schedule/record he was getting double digit seeds. It wasn't like he was showing significant improvement going from 19-22 wins in years 3-5. With this crowd, they would have wanted him gone after year 3.

Capel's 5 seasons at OU:

14	2010-11	Big 12	14	18	.438	5	11	.313	3.71	6.42	66.0	68.7						Jeff Capel (14-18)
15	2009-10	Big 12	13*	18*	.419	4	12	.250	6.24	7.79	72.1	73.6	17	17				Jeff Capel (13-18)
16	2008-09	Big 12	30	6	.833	13	3	.813	18.07	6.88	78.7	67.5	12	2	7	Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Final	2	Jeff Capel (30-6)
17	2007-08	Big 12	23	12	.657	9	7	.563	11.97	7.85	67.9	63.8				Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	6	Jeff Capel (23-12)
18	2006-07	Big 12	16	15	.516	6	10	.375	13.02	7.23	66.8	59.6						Jeff Capel (16-15)

After Capel's first 3 years, it looked like OU hit a homerun. The 2nd and 3rd were "Blake years" which obviously made a huge difference then 4 and 5 were awful.

Kruger's first 6 years:

8	2016-17	Big 12	11	20	.355	5	13	.278	11.42	12.62	73.0	74.2						Lon Kruger (11-20)
9	2015-16	Big 12	29	8	.784	12	6	.667	19.76	11.14	79.7	71.1	8	1	7	Lost NCAA Tournament National Semifinal	2	Lon Kruger (29-8)
10	2014-15	Big 12	24	11	.686	12	6	.667	18.65	9.94	71.5	62.7	19	13	13	Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal	3	Lon Kruger (24-11)
11	2013-14	Big 12	23	10	.697	12	6	.667	14.91	8.97	81.9	76.0		17	21	Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	5	Lon Kruger (23-10)
12	2012-13	Big 12	20	12	.625	12	7	.632	11.40	7.08	70.6	66.3				Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round	10	Lon Kruger (20-12)
13	2011-12	Big 12	15	16	.484	5	13	.278	7.28	6.67	69.1	68.5						Lon Kruger (15-16)

Kruger came in and righted the ship really quickly only to tank in year 6 of his tenure. To his credit he semi-flipped it around again before calling it quits but nothing like years 3-5.

Moser's first 3 years:

1	2023-24	Big 12	20	10	.667	8	9	.471	15.91	8.18	75.4	67.7		7				Porter Moser (20-10)
2	2022-23	Big 12	15	17	.469	5	13	.278	11.38	11.25	67.7	67.5						Porter Moser (15-17)
3	2021-22	Big 12	19	16	.543	7	11	.389	14.12	10.10	69.1	65.0						Porter Moser (19-16)

For those claiming Moser isn't building anything, by year 3 it's been his best year to date which is what you would hope, he's reached 20+ wins and still has the chance to finish .500 in the best league in basketball one year removed from finishing 8 games under .500 (which is obviously awful) and because people don't like his style, claim he doesn't have the program headed in the right direction.

Be careful what you wish for.....

Tang and Gates were last years "homerun" hires based off the first year they had (26-10 and 25-10 respectively) and this year they both have had moderate to severely worse results (17-13 and 8-22) and in today's world could be on the hot seat/fired after next year depending on how the next season goes.

Some keep pointing out that in today's world you should be able to flip a roster and "build" a fantastic team overnight which can be done but it can also completely backfire.

Musselman a guy that has made a living off of flipping a team year in and year out starting at Nevada finally had that backfire this year in a way that some are calling for his job where he is 110-57 finishing year 5.

It's hard to convince any kid that he should "sit and learn" in today's world when others are promising the world down the street. But if you sit and learn your freshman year, all the sudden you can't play and aren't good enough and can't get better.

It's clear that some here won't be happy unless ANYONE else is coaching next year other than Moser but to claim the guy "isn't it" or "doesn't have the program headed in the right direction" after 3 years is more opinion than fact.

Claiming an assistant with zero head coaching experience can come in and "right the ship" and take OU to greater heights but "might not work" is fantastic hedging

In all honesty, I'd like to see Moser get another year based off of this year and the way he seemed to learn from the last 2 seasons in how he needed to approach the "athleticism" of the team in the off season. I feel like this season should give him more momentum recruiting both HS players and transfers but you never know.

Obviously if he is choosing to leave, that's a different story, but until the guy is out the door, as an OU fan I will cheer for the guy sitting on the bench to have as much success as possible.

Great post. Some posters/fans are setting the expectations much higher for Moser than his predecessors for some reason. Doesn’t make any sense to me. Making it to the tournament in year 3 of a rebuild is absolutely meeting expectations of this program. We will see what happens next, but anyone complaining about the results to this point is not being realistic imo.

 

[Hecubus]

People were calling for Sampson to be fired after years of mediocrity and one game tourney exits. His scoring droughts were a constant problem, and his offenses were terrible before Hollis/Quannis teams. Its just a thing OU fans do. BV won 10 games yet some still think he’s not working out lol.

 

[opsooner]

I enjoy reading these debates. I find myself on both sides of the fence at times but mostly both legs on the opposite side from Moser. On the positive side I like Moser as a person, his passion for his players, his treatment of the press, and his sportsmanship. And for the most part, his guys give it their all. It’s difficult for me to be overly critical of him because of his positive traits.

On the negative I don’t see much new outside of new inbounds plays at times. The offense is built around high screens and finding seams that create helps so we can dish to the open guy. When our guys are fired up it works OK but when they aren’t it stalls badly. I attended the Texas game and they took away the high screen and we stunk on offense that entire game except transition points. We should have been but we’re not prepared for the Baylor zone. We were clueless at Iowa St and at UCF. And when you continually stink on offense it impacts your defense.

I was ready to get rid of Moser after last year. But I saw a guy this year who has worked to get better players and worked hard to get better crowds. That put me back on the fence. I have been ready to get rid of him in several games this year but then I see games like the last couple that put me back on the fence again.

I don’t think Moser will ever get enough talent at OU to succeed at the level I want based on what he runs and his (lack of) player development and demands. I don’t think, for example, Iowa St is more talented than us. But I keep hoping I am going to be wrong and want him to succeed. Maybe he finds diamonds in the rough again. Really hoping he can pull off some upsets before this season ends to get me more on his side of the fence.

 

[CoachTalk]

The eye test tells me that we have hardly improved at all over last season. Yes we'll sneak into the tournament but the player development is severely lacking in my opinion. We are an undisciplined team. And our offensive "system" (I use that term loosely) is putrid. I just think Moser is a poor fit for the OU job. Who is a good fit? That I don't know off the top of my head. I don't think anybody knows for sure until the coach starts and you see where the program goes.

This is a bigtime and lame reach... Get your eyes checked.

 

[CoachTalk]

Yes I watch basketball and form opinions about what I see on the court. SHOCKING!

But facts are better than your eye test.

 

[steverocks35]

This is a bigtime and lame reach... Get your eyes checked.

Oh look, another amazingly informative message from "coach." Take off your crimson glasses occasionally and you'll sound a lot smarter.

 

[steverocks35]

But facts are better than your eye test.

The fact that Uzan and Oweh look terrible, and their stats are worse the past month, and we needed a miracle shot and another last second shot and OT to beat two of the worst teams in the league? Those kinds of facts?

 

[steverocks35]

This is a bigtime and lame reach... Get your eyes checked.

So in your opinion our player development is good, we're a disciplined team, and our offensive system is good? Just checking.

 

[CoachTalk]

The fact that Uzan and Oweh look terrible, and their stats are worse the past month, and we needed a miracle shot and another last second shot and OT to beat two of the worst teams in the league? Those kinds of facts?

sure and weve been beat by luck as well but you failed to mention those.

You are what your record says you are. Period. Significantly better than last year.

those are facts.

 

[steverocks35]

sure and weve been beat by luck as well but you failed to mention those.

You are what your record says you are. Period. Significantly better than last year.

those are facts.

So it doesn't matter who you play or how you play? Significantly better, no matter what. No context, no thought involved. Perfect.

 

[CoachTalk]

So in your opinion our player development is good, we're a disciplined team, and our offensive system is good? Just checking.

I think otega is a lot better. sure has been bad lately.

Los is 1 foot out the door. I have stated many times that he is our biggest disappointment.

Upgraded talent. getting the absolute most out of waldo and moore.