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This year schedule easier? by your eyes?
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This year schedule easier? by your eyes?
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Otega is a lot better???? Wow, you really do have your crimson glasses on. You know who disagrees with you? Porter Moser, who benched him.
Any insight why?
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He's obviously improved so much from the excellent player development that he's going to Duke or Kansas
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Did finish that thought completely...
He was a lot better early... has been bad lately.
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It bothers you we won 20 games doesnt it?
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As Wichita likes to point out, you can nitpick close games won or lost all the time on everyone's schedule. If you are going to pick those out against teams they beat, you have to mention the 1 pt loss to top 4 in the league Texas Tech and the "lucky" shot that Top team in the conference, Houston hit against OU to win by 2 in a game they shot 56% when they shoot around 43% as a team on the season and hit 52% of their 3's when they shoot 34% as a team on the season.
Uzan and Oweh are head scratchers. Uzan hasn't looked much better all year (very timid and no confidence in his own abilities), but Oweh came out of the gates Scorching and then got the abd kiss of death post (I KID) and hasn't looked good since. Confidence or lack there of can do that to a player. HOPEFULLY they both stick around after the season, have a great off season and come back much better overall next year. Again, they are ONLY sophomores.
Also, saying that this team has "hardly improved" over last season is clearly a stretch and definitely more opinion than fact. They already have 5 more wins with 1 regular season game to go and then whatever else. And as already noted, this is without any improvement from 2 starters at the beginning of the season. Athletically this team would blow the doors off last year's team.
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Not at all, I'm glad we won 20 games.
But that doesn't change how we look on the court or the regression of some of our key players or the terrible games we've played that make me cringe.
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I think he was better 365 days ago than he is now. He averaged close to double figures over the final 8-10 games last year, and was capable of making layups. The first two months of this season were a mirage -- he was simply able to out-athlete the bad teams. His season as a whole has been a massive disappointment, along with Los. I've said many times that I was dead wrong about Waldo and Moore. If I had known how good they would be, I would have thought this team would be a legit contender for a top 5 finish in the league, because I figured our two returning guards would take big leaps. Even if they had just made the normal progression between freshman and sophomore seasons, we would have at least a couple extra wins.
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Man I love data, thanks for putting this together.This is the concern? So what about these results:
Sampson's first 5 seasons at OU:
26 1998-99 Big 12 22 11 .667 11 5 .688 13.28 4.97 68.1 60.0 23 Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal 13 Kelvin Sampson (22-11) 27 1997-98 Big 12 22 11 .667 11 5 .688 9.41 4.19 74.6 68.3 20 18 Lost NCAA Tournament First Round 10 Kelvin Sampson (22-11) 28 1996-97 Big 12 19 11 .633 9 7 .563 13.97 5.03 74.3 65.3 Lost NCAA Tournament First Round 11 Kelvin Sampson (19-11) 29 1995-96 Big 8 17* 13* .567 8 6 .571 12.79 6.83 79.0 73.1 Lost NCAA Tournament First Round 10 Kelvin Sampson (17-13) 30 1994-95 Big 8 23 9 .719 9 5 .643 15.22 7.10 81.7 73.6 16 17 Lost NCAA Tournament First Round 4 Kelvin Sampson (23-9)
After Sampsons first season with Tubbs players, Sampson followed that up with FOUR consecutive years of double digit seeds and around the 20 win mark. The last 2 of those years he was 11-5 in conf which some here claim to be the end all yet due to his non con schedule/record he was getting double digit seeds. It wasn't like he was showing significant improvement going from 19-22 wins in years 3-5. With this crowd, they would have wanted him gone after year 3.
Capel's 5 seasons at OU:
14 2010-11 Big 12 14 18 .438 5 11 .313 3.71 6.42 66.0 68.7 Jeff Capel (14-18) 15 2009-10 Big 12 13* 18* .419 4 12 .250 6.24 7.79 72.1 73.6 17 17 Jeff Capel (13-18) 16 2008-09 Big 12 30 6 .833 13 3 .813 18.07 6.88 78.7 67.5 12 2 7 Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Final 2 Jeff Capel (30-6) 17 2007-08 Big 12 23 12 .657 9 7 .563 11.97 7.85 67.9 63.8 Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round 6 Jeff Capel (23-12) 18 2006-07 Big 12 16 15 .516 6 10 .375 13.02 7.23 66.8 59.6 Jeff Capel (16-15)
After Capel's first 3 years, it looked like OU hit a homerun. The 2nd and 3rd were "Blake years" which obviously made a huge difference then 4 and 5 were awful.
Kruger's first 6 years:
8 2016-17 Big 12 11 20 .355 5 13 .278 11.42 12.62 73.0 74.2 Lon Kruger (11-20) 9 2015-16 Big 12 29 8 .784 12 6 .667 19.76 11.14 79.7 71.1 8 1 7 Lost NCAA Tournament National Semifinal 2 Lon Kruger (29-8) 10 2014-15 Big 12 24 11 .686 12 6 .667 18.65 9.94 71.5 62.7 19 13 13 Lost NCAA Tournament Regional Semifinal 3 Lon Kruger (24-11) 11 2013-14 Big 12 23 10 .697 12 6 .667 14.91 8.97 81.9 76.0 17 21 Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round 5 Lon Kruger (23-10) 12 2012-13 Big 12 20 12 .625 12 7 .632 11.40 7.08 70.6 66.3 Lost NCAA Tournament Second Round 10 Lon Kruger (20-12) 13 2011-12 Big 12 15 16 .484 5 13 .278 7.28 6.67 69.1 68.5 Lon Kruger (15-16)
Kruger came in and righted the ship really quickly only to tank in year 6 of his tenure. To his credit he semi-flipped it around again before calling it quits but nothing like years 3-5.
Moser's first 3 years:
1 2023-24 Big 12 20 10 .667 8 9 .471 15.91 8.18 75.4 67.7 7 Porter Moser (20-10) 2 2022-23 Big 12 15 17 .469 5 13 .278 11.38 11.25 67.7 67.5 Porter Moser (15-17) 3 2021-22 Big 12 19 16 .543 7 11 .389 14.12 10.10 69.1 65.0 Porter Moser (19-16)
For those claiming Moser isn't building anything, by year 3 it's been his best year to date which is what you would hope, he's reached 20+ wins and still has the chance to finish .500 in the best league in basketball one year removed from finishing 8 games under .500 (which is obviously awful) and because people don't like his style, claim he doesn't have the program headed in the right direction.
Be careful what you wish for.....
Tang and Gates were last years "homerun" hires based off the first year they had (26-10 and 25-10 respectively) and this year they both have had moderate to severely worse results (17-13 and 8-22) and in today's world could be on the hot seat/fired after next year depending on how the next season goes.
Some keep pointing out that in today's world you should be able to flip a roster and "build" a fantastic team overnight which can be done but it can also completely backfire.
Musselman a guy that has made a living off of flipping a team year in and year out starting at Nevada finally had that backfire this year in a way that some are calling for his job where he is 110-57 finishing year 5.
It's hard to convince any kid that he should "sit and learn" in today's world when others are promising the world down the street. But if you sit and learn your freshman year, all the sudden you can't play and aren't good enough and can't get better.
It's clear that some here won't be happy unless ANYONE else is coaching next year other than Moser but to claim the guy "isn't it" or "doesn't have the program headed in the right direction" after 3 years is more opinion than fact.
Claiming an assistant with zero head coaching experience can come in and "right the ship" and take OU to greater heights but "might not work" is fantastic hedging
In all honesty, I'd like to see Moser get another year based off of this year and the way he seemed to learn from the last 2 seasons in how he needed to approach the "athleticism" of the team in the off season. I feel like this season should give him more momentum recruiting both HS players and transfers but you never know.
Obviously if he is choosing to leave, that's a different story, but until the guy is out the door, as an OU fan I will cheer for the guy sitting on the bench to have as much success as possible.
I am going to add one column to each just as an add-on:
Sampson's SOS: 48, 52, 83, 89, 91
Capel III's SOS: 62, 18, 29, 13, 48
Kruger's SOS: 41, 27, 20, 5, 1
Moser's SOS: 7, 2, 43
I would love to add strength of record data, but I just don't have that readily available.
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little mic drop there... Nice evans
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Yep, I love Soares and Moore. Darthard has also exceeded expectations.
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Very much this.
Oweh trended up last year, he is trending down this year.
His Per40 numbers and efficiency ratings are all up from last year, HOWEVER, do not let that fool you bc that is with inflated totals at the beginning of the year where he was playing out of his shoes. He has looked like a dumpster fire of a player the last few games.
His conference per40 are down to even from last year...oof
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And Moser brought in and further developed those guys (plus Hughley), right?
Their athleticism and ability to improve Moser's (defensive) system has been key this season.
Yes, Los and Oweh have looked bad lately, but it doesn't change the fact that OU is better overall this season than the last two.
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That's extremely concerning. Sure, guys transfer all the time now, and sometimes it even happens with guys who play a lot. But for a starter on a team that has been competing all season for a tourney spot, and a guy who was identified by the staff as THE leader coming into the season, to be mentally checked out while the team is playing its most important games, is shocking. If it's true that he is one foot out the door, it would have been better for all parties if he had just left after last season. But everyone said that he and Oweh never even considered transferring.
Very few consistently good programs regularly lose core players/starters. It happens occasionally (Cryer leaving Baylor, Grimes leaving KU), but it's rare. Kelvin has said many times that one of their keys is that they essentially never have guys transfer out unless it's purely a playing time issue. This seems like it is likely to be our fifth starter fleeing in the past three offseasons, and it won't surprise me if others join. I'm guessing that's not on the culture wall.
Not extremely concerning to me at all. Disappointing? Sure, but this is the portal/NIL era. The turnover happens everywhere like you mentioned.
Kelvin lost Ryan Humphrey, drew lavender, Lawrence McKenzie in very similar situations and that was in the era when they actually had to sit out when you transfer. Kruger lost Kam McGusty. Those are just off the top of my head.
Thanks.
Sad that he was such a disappointment this year that he isn’t a huge loss. I’m sure he can go to a smaller school/conference and do well.
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Right, but this would be at least five guys in three years. That's a trend. Kelvin losing three guys (probably a couple more) over 12 years and Lon losing a few over 10 years is much different. Especially since Moser himself is on the record as saying that he values roster continuity. It would be one thing if he was a coach who preferred building through the portal, but that clearly isn't what he wants. He keeps talking about how important continuity is to building his "culture."
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Transfers out (by On3) per year
| Team | 2021 | 2022 | 2023 | APY |
| Texas Tech | 7 | 6 | 5 | 6.0 |
| Oklahoma | 6 | 5 | 6 | 5.7 |
| West Virginia | 3 | 5 | 8 | 5.3 |
| Iowa St. | 6 | 6 | 3 | 5.0 |
| Kansas St. | 2 | 10 | 2 | 4.7 |
| TCU | 7 | 1 | 5 | 4.3 |
| Kansas | 4 | 0 | 8 | 4.0 |
| Cincinnati | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3.3 |
| Texas | 4 | 4 | 2 | 3.3 |
| Oklahoma St. | 0 | 5 | 5 | 3.3 |
| UCF | 1 | 3 | 5 | 3.0 |
| Baylor | 1 | 2 | 4 | 2.3 |
| BYU | 0 | 5 | 2 | 2.3 |
| Houston | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.0 |
