Future of Moser

WTSooner said:
A lot would have to happen to finish in the top 3-4.

We're likely losing at least Godwin, Soares, and Darthard.

Hugely hasn't shown that he is worthy of the starting 5 spot.
Could lose somebody from Oweh, Uzan, JM.

If those three stay, how much improvement? What can we reasonably expect from Cooper, Cole, and the two incoming freshman with as little as they played this year?

We going to run off Keita?

Northweather is interesting, but from what I've seen we have a good shooting big man that is going to struggle to defend (slow feet), isn't really a rim protector, and isn't a great rebounder. Most of that stuff isn't likely to change a lot as in the coming years.

For 2024-2025 to look more promising, we really needed Uzan/Oweh to take bigger leaps forward this year, and for Cooper to get valuable playing time.

An argument could be made we played our best two players (certainly guards) off the bench for nearly the entire season, and now both are out of eligibility.
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Godwin is not for sure
 
WTSooner said:
A lot would have to happen to finish in the top 3-4.

We're likely losing at least Godwin, Soares, and Darthard.

Hugely hasn't shown that he is worthy of the starting 5 spot.
Could lose somebody from Oweh, Uzan, JM.

If those three stay, how much improvement? What can we reasonably expect from Cooper, Cole, and the two incoming freshman with as little as they played this year?

We going to run off Keita?

Northweather is interesting, but from what I've seen we have a good shooting big man that is going to struggle to defend (slow feet), isn't really a rim protector, and isn't a great rebounder. Most of that stuff isn't likely to change a lot as in the coming years.

For 2024-2025 to look more promising, we really needed Uzan/Oweh to take bigger leaps forward this year, and for Cooper to get valuable playing time.

An argument could be made we played our best two players (certainly guards) off the bench for nearly the entire season, and now both are out of eligibility.
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It is very frustrating that it took so long to move Soares to the starting lineup. I know he liked his energy off the bench, but Oweh is so bad, and we had so many games where we started horribly, that it makes you wonder if we could have found something sooner if he had made that move a month ago rather than waiting till the second half in Stillwater.
 
WichitaSooner said:
The SEC has 5 teams in the top 17. We know for sure we are losing Soares and Dart. Oweh and Los are disasters and who knows if we will hang onto Moore and JM. So far, we have a two-man recruiting class, only one of whom could be considered a high level talent. We are going to finish 8 or 9 in our current league. Unless we land a massive haul in the portal, I’m not sure how you spin that into a top 3-4 finish in a league that is comparable to the Big 12 at the top.
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I agree with your assessment. But want to put some numbers to it.

OU is currently 37th in KenPom, putting them at 7th in the SEC (Texas would make us 8th).

Ahead of us:
5 Auburn
6 Tennessee
9 Alabama
18 Kentucky
25 Florida
32 Mississippi St
44 South Carolina (close but 14th ranked schedule in SEC)

It is also interesting that the top 4 out of 5 teams in the SEC have the 4 easiest schedules there.

You could argue OU is right there with Florida, Miss St., and ahead of South Carolina. Pushing for 5th isn't super far fetched, but a lot needs to be done in roster retention and portal for next year to make that a reality. We could just as easily be in the Ole Miss/Texas A$M column at the 54-76 rank.
 
WichitaSooner said:
It is very frustrating that it took so long to move Soares to the starting lineup. I know he liked his energy off the bench, but Oweh is so bad, and we had so many games where we started horribly, that it makes you wonder if we could have found something sooner if he had made that move a month ago rather than waiting till the second half in Stillwater.
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I agree it’s frustrating. There is a lot mentally to choosing the starting 5. Especially with everyone quick to portal. We are talking about college kids here that are emotional. If you see the potential of oweh, you would hate to do something to piss him off and transfer. And it is nice having someone like sores off the bench

But yeah, it should have happened sooner
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
I agree it’s frustrating. There is a lot mentally to choosing the starting 5. Especially with everyone quick to portal. We are talking about college kids here that are emotional. If you see the potential of oweh, you would hate to do something to piss him off and transfer. And it is nice having someone like sores off the bench

But yeah, it should have happened sooner
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OwehSoares
NOV
15.7​
6.85​
DEC
15.2​
6.2​
JAN
8​
8.25​
FEB
6.75​
12.8​

Just to rehash the PPG numbers here.


There is no way you replace him in Nov/Dec.
Beginning January is where Oweh starts to fall off.

Solid after UNC, was riding well...then ISU went 0 for 2, but went 8-10 from the FT line. After that you start seeing it in the numbers, TCU was 2 for 8, then just bad volume games at KU and WVU taking 15/16 shots a piece.

Cincy - Texas - Tech almost rights the ship? But Tech seems to be the cliff jump off point. After that, just complete dismay, yips...etc.

It also helps to mention that the MPG split was fairly even as well. So starting to get you a beginning game boost is the only difference here.

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I know you can’t always think this way, but what about players signed for next year. If coach leaves, do we loose them? Not saying either is world beaters, but both seem rated well. Then again,We haven’t played this years freshman much.
 
snydrosooner said:
I know you can’t always think this way, but what about players signed for next year. If coach leaves, do we loose them? Not saying either is world beaters, but both seem rated well. Then again,We haven’t played this years freshman much.
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One of them is highly rated, but not much more highly rated than Cooper. I have no idea if either of them would stay, but I wouldn’t panic either way. Forsythe is someone I view as a role player at best. We clearly are going to need to add to the class, likely through the portal, once we lose guys off our roster, which will happen regardless of what Moser does. And at this point, the only way he leaves is if it’s his choice. I definitely don’t think Joe makes a move now that we are all but certain to make the tournament.
 
WichitaSooner said:
One of them is highly rated, but not much more highly rated than Cooper. I have no idea if either of them would stay, but I wouldn’t panic either way. Forsythe is someone I view as a role player at best. We clearly are going to need to add to the class, likely through the portal, once we lose guys off our roster, which will happen regardless of what Moser does. And at this point, the only way he leaves is if it’s his choice. I definitely don’t think Joe makes a move now that we are all but certain to make the tournament.
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According to 247, neither is as highly rated as Cooper.

Cooper - 65
Atak - 120
Forsythe - 227

For reference, Cole was 175.

247 Composite Rankings:
Cooper - 58
Cole - 103
Atak - 103
Forsythe - 245
 
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TEvans4Three said:
Just so we show the other sites as well (much higher consensus on Cooper):

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Thanks, I guess I saw all the OU beat writer homers tweet out the On3 ranking for Atak recently and had that number in my head. Man, seeing this makes me sad -- Los and Oweh are nowhere near where they should be as players after two years, and it is insane that Cooper may as well be on a milk carton. Whether it is his fault, Moser's fault, or some combination, it really hurts when a guy that highly rated has a lost season. I don't know how anyone can look at this and maintain that Moser's HS recruiting has been great.
 
WTSooner said:
I said likely. He participated in Senior Day. Doesn't seem to me like the kind of guy that wants to stick around for an extra season, but we'll see.

My outlook on the program doesn't really change if he stays.
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Wuut? I had no idea it was even possible sam could come back. He absolutely is living his dream getting to play at OU. If he can come back, id have him at prolly 98% chance he would
 
hoopsaustin said:
Wuut? I had no idea it was even possible sam could come back. He absolutely is living his dream getting to play at OU. If he can come back, id have him at prolly 98% chance he would
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What I'm thinking as well.
 
hoopsaustin said:
Wuut? I had no idea it was even possible sam could come back. He absolutely is living his dream getting to play at OU. If he can come back, id have him at prolly 98% chance he would
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skyvue said:
They were playing in a freaking city park before that and they've won seven national titles. And as was pointed out above, a very rich person paid for most of the new stadium.
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More like one-fourth to one-third. Just sayin'
 
WichitaSooner said:
I don't know how anyone can look at this and maintain that Moser's HS recruiting has been great.
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Five consensus 4-star recruits in 3 seasons is pretty great for ou. Kruger probably only signed a few more than that over the course of his entire ou career.

The other 2 signees were 3-star players who both earned player of the year in their states. Nothing to sneeze at there either.
 
Eielson said:
Of all the things to complain about in the Porter Moser era, HS recruiting is not one of them.
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Exactly. People are missing the point. Do Uzan and Oweh have their shortcomings? Sure, but they're also sophomores, they are not finished products. For a majority of the season, both were starters on a team that's had the most regular season wins since the final four team and in the toughest conference in basketball. What they do, despite their limitations, is translating to wins. They may not be Buddy/Reaves/Trae, but they're also way better than Christian James, Odomes, Bienemy, Jordan Shepherd, Trey Phipps, Josh O'Garro, CJ Noland.

Hoping for continuity cause its the best path forward - coaches stay, players stay and develop, continue to recruit well in high school and address any imminent needs in the portal.
 
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