GAME 19 - OKLAHOMA (11-7) @ SOUTH CAROLINA (10-8) 6:00pm CST on SECNETWORK

[WichitaSooner]

And he was going to be fired the year he took them to the Final Four, but they made the run through the ACC tournament and made the Big Dance.

OU related: they stole our bid that year.

If only we had fired MMM at that point.

 

[cvangild]

Part of that is they arent good looks at 3 and that is because there is not enough movement on offense and also no sets from Loser.

Not buying that. Pack was hitting these exact same shots earlier in the season...regularly. He doesn't take heavily guarded shots typically...many of these misses are wide open shots. Same with Brown. Hitting 18% won't cut it...period.

 

[cvangild]

There are a lot of factors involved in being effective on offense, not just shooting. We’re a low assist team because our coach has no offensive plan. We play lots of hero ball. The ball sticks and we end up jacking up prayers at the end of the shot clock. The players have no accountability. If you know you have to take good shots and run good offense or you’re going to sit, then you’ll do those things and the shooting will improve. It’s not just “oh well they didn’t make shots.” We also make tons of boneheaded plays. You can chalk that up to a particular player or two if it’s confined to one season but we’ve seen over the last 5 years the Moser pattern of bad passes and dumb turnovers. Moser gets paid more money than most of us can even dream of to make sure these things don’t happen. Good coaches make sure their kids do the little things that lead to winning plays. If you make enough winning plays you’ll win games. Moser’s teams do not do this. If we win it’s in spite of his coaching.

Totally agree on many bone headed plays. It just seems like we can't get out of our own way at times. How many times do we get a steal, only to turn it over. It's maddening. These past two games are what I was primarily referring to though. Both guards missed tons of wide open shots. Shots they have both hit most of the season. I mean Pack was shooting 48% at one point from 3. I get that we are playing better teams in conference, but many of his misses lately are wide open shots. It's maddening.

 

[cvangild]

Well, there are a lot of ugly college basketball games where teams shoot like crap and still win because they defend their butts off. ISU is good offensively this season but was winning with great defense the past few years. Michigan State wins lots of rock fights. Tennessee. Houston, obviously. If a team can only win by shooting well, it says a lot about the identity of the team.

I completely realize that. We aren't those teams. Our guards are small and can't defend as well as the teams you mentioned. We have to do what we (can) do well, and thats score the ball. These past two losses have been close games. If our guards simply shoot their avg, we likely win both, or at least one of these past two games. FOrget Florida...we aren't beating that team with that frontcourt. All I do know is in 3 of our conf losses (SC, Bama, MSU) our starting backcourt is (1-8, 3-14, 2-14) from 3. That's 6 of 36 for 17%. This team cannot afford to do that, with the kind of defensive team we are. We will lose EVERY game when we shoot like that. B-ball is much easier when shots are falling.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Now compare the NIL funding at those schools to OU.

Let me know if you find the breakdowns, Id be happy to.

I was just making the point that most successful coaches come from Mid-Majors.

So, we need to look at Mid-Major coaches.

Per AI:

"
For the 2025-26 college basketball season, rising coaches to watch include proven mid-major successes like Josh Schertz (now at Saint Louis after Indiana State success) and Preston Spradlin (James Madison), along with ascending high-major figures like Todd Golden (Florida) and Grant McCasland (Texas Tech), while established names like Dan Hurley, Kelvin Sampson, and Rick Pitino remain top contenders, with new assistants like Phil Martelli Jr. (VCU) and Ross Hodge (West Virginia) also gaining attention.
Coaches on the Rise (Mid-Major to High-Major Potential):

• Josh Schertz (Saint Louis): Already made the leap from Indiana State, known for high-powered offense and could be next for a major job.
• Preston Spradlin (James Madison): Led JMU to success quickly after taking them from Morehead State, a former Calipari GA.
• Wes Miller (Cincinnati): A strong coach seeking NCAA Tournament success with a retooled Bearcats roster.
• Kevin Young (BYU): Making waves in the Big 12 after strong stints.
• Kevin Giltner (Wofford): Emerging as a rising assistant/head coach. "

 

[TEvans4Three]

Another fun prompt: (who are the best mid-major college basketball coaches 2025-26 who could be hired at a P4 next year)

For the 2025-26 season, top mid-major coaches like Ben McCollum (Drake), known for tactical genius, and rising stars such as Chris Gerlufsen (USF), Drew Valentine (Loyola Chicago), and Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State) are prime candidates for Power 4 jobs, alongside successful names like Ryan Miller (Murray State) and Mike Magpayo (UC Riverside), following trends set by coaches like Darian DeVries who recently made the jump to a major conference.
Here's a breakdown of some prominent names generating buzz:
Proven Winners & Tacticians:

• Ben McCollum (Drake): After dominating Division II, he made an immediate impact at Drake, leading them to MVC titles; a master tactician with a high-major future.
• Ryan Miller (Murray State): A former Creighton assistant who quickly revitalized the Murray State program, making him a hot commodity.
• Mike Magpayo (UC Riverside): Led his team to consistent success, proving his ability to build programs with limited resources.

On the Rise:

• Chris Gerlufsen (San Francisco): A strong candidate with a growing reputation in the West Coast.
• Drew Valentine (Loyola Chicago): Young, dynamic, and on a strong upward trajectory from a respected program.
• Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State): Known for developing talent and running effective systems, with his assistants already getting high-major looks.
• Preston Spradlin (James Madison): A coach consistently elevating mid-major programs, with JMU now a strong force.
• Takayo Siddle (UNC Wilmington): Another young coach making waves with his teams' performance.

Why They're Attractive:

• Demonstrated Success: They win in tough mid-major leagues (MVC, MVC, etc.).
• Tactical Acumen: Often praised for strong game planning and player development.
• Program Building: They turn mid-major programs into contenders, showing they can handle increased expectations.

Coaches like Darian DeVries (Drake to West Virginia) and Dusty May (FAU to Michigan) set the recent blueprint, making these mid-major coaches prime targets for Power 4 openings in the upcoming coaching carousel.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

Another fun prompt: (who are the best mid-major college basketball coaches 2025-26 who could be hired at a P4 next year)

For the 2025-26 season, top mid-major coaches like Ben McCollum (Drake), known for tactical genius, and rising stars such as Chris Gerlufsen (USF), Drew Valentine (Loyola Chicago), and Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State) are prime candidates for Power 4 jobs, alongside successful names like Ryan Miller (Murray State) and Mike Magpayo (UC Riverside), following trends set by coaches like Darian DeVries who recently made the jump to a major conference.
Here's a breakdown of some prominent names generating buzz:
Proven Winners & Tacticians:

• Ben McCollum (Drake): After dominating Division II, he made an immediate impact at Drake, leading them to MVC titles; a master tactician with a high-major future.
• Ryan Miller (Murray State): A former Creighton assistant who quickly revitalized the Murray State program, making him a hot commodity.
• Mike Magpayo (UC Riverside): Led his team to consistent success, proving his ability to build programs with limited resources.

On the Rise:

• Chris Gerlufsen (San Francisco): A strong candidate with a growing reputation in the West Coast.
• Drew Valentine (Loyola Chicago): Young, dynamic, and on a strong upward trajectory from a respected program.
• Jerrod Calhoun (Utah State): Known for developing talent and running effective systems, with his assistants already getting high-major looks.
• Preston Spradlin (James Madison): A coach consistently elevating mid-major programs, with JMU now a strong force.
• Takayo Siddle (UNC Wilmington): Another young coach making waves with his teams' performance.

Why They're Attractive:

• Demonstrated Success: They win in tough mid-major leagues (MVC, MVC, etc.).
• Tactical Acumen: Often praised for strong game planning and player development.
• Program Building: They turn mid-major programs into contenders, showing they can handle increased expectations.

Coaches like Darian DeVries (Drake to West Virginia) and Dusty May (FAU to Michigan) set the recent blueprint, making these mid-major coaches prime targets for Power 4 openings in the upcoming coaching carousel.

AI is funny sometimes. Ben McCollum already moved from Drake to Iowa. Darian DeVries went from Drake to West Virginia to Indiana.

 

[The_Banker]

AI is funny sometimes. Ben McCollum already moved from Drake to Iowa. Darian DeVries went from Drake to West Virginia to Indiana.

Fun thing about Ben McCollum? Has a true freshman from Weatherford, OK playing starter minutes who rebounds, doesn't turn the ball over, and knocks down big shots when the opportunity is there.

Whose the last high school kid outside of Fears who Porter has recruited, and developed?

2021- Kruegers kids that he kept.
2022- Oweh and Uzan, both got worse the older they got until peaking at new schools
2023- Cooper and Cole, both at new lower level schools
2024- Fear, Atak, Dayton. Daytons banged up yes, but he isn't the same player as last year. Atak works if you have 4 other dudes on the floor who try to defend.
2025- Rodgers, Blair, Holst. Rodgers doesn't have any minutes anymore and Blair left the team lol.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Fun thing about Ben McCollum? Has a true freshman from Weatherford, OK playing starter minutes who rebounds, doesn't turn the ball over, and knocks down big shots when the opportunity is there.

Whose the last high school kid outside of Fears who Porter has recruited, and developed?

2021- Kruegers kids that he kept.
2022- Oweh and Uzan, both got worse the older they got until peaking at new schools
2023- Cooper and Cole, both at new lower level schools
2024- Fear, Atak, Dayton. Daytons banged up yes, but he isn't the same player as last year. Atak works if you have 4 other dudes on the floor who try to defend.
2025- Rodgers, Blair, Holst. Rodgers doesn't have any minutes anymore and Blair left the team lol.

And in his first three or four years, one of the most common arguments his supporters on the board made was that his high school recruiting was very good. Sigh.

 

[daqman]

And in his first three or four years, one of the most common arguments his supporters on the board made was that his high school recruiting was very good. Sigh.

was it not?
based on ratings and some actual evidence since then.....his high school recruiting has been good.
how long are you and wt going to continue humping the legs of posters who thought moser deserved more time to turn things around?

 

[WichitaSooner]

was it not?
based on ratings and some actual evidence since then.....his high school recruiting has been good.
how long are you and wt going to continue humping the legs of posters who thought moser deserved more time to turn things around?

I'd argue that when you get little to any production from a bunch of your recruits and most of them leave the program after a year or two, then no, you're high school recruiting hasn't been good.

 

[cvangild]

Fun thing about Ben McCollum? Has a true freshman from Weatherford, OK playing starter minutes who rebounds, doesn't turn the ball over, and knocks down big shots when the opportunity is there.

Whose the last high school kid outside of Fears who Porter has recruited, and developed?

2021- Kruegers kids that he kept.
2022- Oweh and Uzan, both got worse the older they got until peaking at new schools
2023- Cooper and Cole, both at new lower level schools
2024- Fear, Atak, Dayton. Daytons banged up yes, but he isn't the same player as last year. Atak works if you have 4 other dudes on the floor who try to defend.
2025- Rodgers, Blair, Holst. Rodgers doesn't have any minutes anymore and Blair left the team lol.

Oweh got worse between his freshman and Soph season at OU?? Come on man.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Objectively, moser is a good recruiter if you go by the numbers. I don't htink that is really arguable.
But for whatever reason (poor coaching, lack of development, poor scouting) our good recruits don't really pan out

 

[WichitaSooner]

Oweh got worse between his freshman and Soph season at OU?? Come on man.

He actually did in a lot of advanced metrics when you compared his numbers from conference games, which is really the only fair comparison since he barely played in the noncon as a freshman. His overall sophomore numbers were much better but that was based on the first two months. Once conference started, he was bad -- bad enough to lose his starting job late in the year.

 

[daqman]

I'd argue that when you get little to any production from a bunch of your recruits and most of them leave the program after a year or two, then no, you're high school recruiting hasn't been good.

well...you'd be wrong.
when you sign top 100 or top 125 recruits consistently....that means recruiting is good.
when your high school signees go on to do well at other schools...that means your recruiting is good.
when your portal signees go on to do well at other schools...that means your "recruiting"/evaluation is good.

 

[WichitaSooner]

well...you'd be wrong.
when you sign top 100 or top 125 recruits consistently....that means recruiting is good.
when your high school signees go on to do well at other schools...that means your recruiting is good.
when your portal signees go on to do well at other schools...that means your "recruiting"/evaluation is good.

If Moser was getting paid to recruit players for other programs, sure. He is paid to recruit and sign players to play well for Oklahoma, not to develop into good players years down the road at another school. And when guys end up as total flops, that means your eval wasn't good, regardless of where those kids were ranked.

 

[daqman]

If Moser was getting paid to recruit players for other programs, sure. He is paid to recruit and sign players to play well for Oklahoma, not to develop into good players years down the road at another school. And when guys end up as total flops, that means your eval wasn't good, regardless of where those kids were ranked.

way to move the goalpost

 

[The_Banker]

Oweh got worse between his freshman and Soph season at OU?? Come on man.

He actually did in a lot of advanced metrics when you compared his numbers from conference games, which is really the only fair comparison since he barely played in the noncon as a freshman. His overall sophomore numbers were much better but that was based on the first two months. Once conference started, he was bad -- bad enough to lose his starting job late in the year.

Ahhh yes, come on man lets dive in to the numbers...

Oweh's Sophomore Season Numbers.

Non Conference Shooting Percentage= 71.3%
Conference Shooting Percentage= 37%

Non Conference PPG= 15.4
Conference PPG= 8.5



So actually he got considerably worse as the season went on..... man.

 

[The_Banker]

well...you'd be wrong.
when you sign top 100 or top 125 recruits consistently....that means recruiting is good.
when your high school signees go on to do well at other schools...that means your recruiting is good.
when your portal signees go on to do well at other schools...that means your "recruiting"/evaluation is good.

Only two high school recruits have went on to be productive at other schools. (Oweh and Uzan)

Only 1 transfer player has went on to be productive at a power 4 level school. (Duke Miles)

Yes, recruiting has went very well.

 

[daqman]

Only two high school recruits have went on to be productive at other schools. (Oweh and Uzan)

Only 1 transfer player has went on to be productive at a power 4 level school. (Duke Miles)

Yes, recruiting has went very well.

surely you didn't just forget about fears did you?

and you're overlooking that many others were top 100 players...or just outside of the top 100

throw in pack/davis/reid/brown as portal "recruits"....bringing in talent wasn't moser's biggest problem.
altho he could have done better recruiting big men.