GAME 4 - OKLAHOMA (2-1) vs Nebraska (3-0) (Sioux Falls) 6:00pm CST on BIG10NETWORK

[WTSooner]

Teams tend to get better as the year goes on:

Many screamed to play more tougher folks and we did game 2 and 4 and it showed why I don’t like doing that.
I know folks don’t believe in gelling, bonding etc but it’s real. Can’t simulate games in June July Aug. no matter how hard you try.

That’s why I’m fine with cupcake non conference till you can figure it out. With some good ones sprinkled in early.

This is still our most talented roster. Not ready to throw in the towel yet.

The people that wanted tougher games wanted two things:

1. To raise the floor of the competition and not play multiple games against some of the 10 worst teams in the country.

2. To play some quality opponents, or at least 1-2 quality opponents, in Norman.

To the best of my knowledge nobody wanted us to play multiple P4 teams on the road or at neutral sites as a way of "increasing the schedule difficulty."

 

[CoachTalk]

The people that wanted tougher games wanted two things:

1. To raise the floor of the competition and not play multiple games against some of the 10 worst teams in the country.

2. To play some quality opponents, or at least 1-2 quality opponents, in Norman.

To the best of my knowledge nobody wanted us to play multiple P4 teams on the road or at neutral sites as a way of "increasing the schedule difficulty."

Did you the article where this was discussed. Why pay someone $100k to play them at home vs making 250k in South Dakota. Yes we need to win.

Gonzaga game 2 was a bad decision

 

[WTSooner]

Did you the article where this was discussed. Why pay someone $100k to play them at home vs making 250k in South Dakota. Yes we need to win.

Gonzaga game 2 was a bad decision

That article had nothing to do with your comment. What you said OU fans wanted wasn't in fact what they wanted.

And I don't buy that article. Not saying that wasn't the reasoning, but it's lazy to suggest that is the only way OU can make money to have NIL funds for hoops. The Administration needs to work harder and figure out a different solution. Nobody is saying play NO road or neutral site games. But they went overboard this year. Does no good for the brand (also helps NIL) or the team to lose a bunch of games early. The casual fan has already lost interest in the season. Heck, some of the fans here have lost interest. That is the opposite of what OU basketball should be trying to do. We'll lose more money in the long-run losing those games than scheduling the will bring in. That's a fact.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Teams tend to get better as the year goes on:

Many screamed to play more tougher folks and we did game 2 and 4 and it showed why I don’t like doing that.
I know folks don’t believe in gelling, bonding etc but it’s real. Can’t simulate games in June July Aug. no matter how hard you try.

That’s why I’m fine with cupcake non conference till you can figure it out. With some good ones sprinkled in early.

This is still our most talented roster. Not ready to throw in the towel yet.

When has a Porter Moser OU team improved as the season progresses? Good teams that are well coached improve. Moser’s teams have all peaked in November and Dec and collapsed in Jan and Feb. We go from 13-0 or 12-1 to 6-12 or 7-11.

And it’s not our most talented roster. He had two NBA players in his starting backcourt two years ago, plus a guy who would have been in the G league this year if not for a torn Achilles. And Soares was arguably better than all of those guys the final month. This team has no bench, no sure NBA players, and a couple guys who currently don’t seem to know how to play.

I wonder how many games we will hav to lose before people stop acting like he put together some stellar roster. There is certainly enough talent than a good coach would be able to win plenty of games with this team. But we don’t Loser is anything but a good coach.

 

[opsooner]

As poor as we were on defense, if Atak shoots his normal percentage on 3s, we win by a few point. We may take a few lumps before conference, but I think by then, we will be a tough out. Moser hasn't had to coach a bunch of guys making a lot of money before, so that will be new for him. As such, there is a chance he will struggle doing that (i.e. getting them to sell out on defense). We will have to just wait and see on that. I really like the talent on the team though.

I don’t know exactly what Atak’s normal 3 percentage is yet.

4-8 against St Francis
0-2 against Gonzaga
1-4 against Pine Bluff
2-8 against Nebraska

Seems like it might have been pretty normal, at least based on competition. A better argument might be to ask for fewer shots when other guys are hitting.

 

[Boom Soon]

Teams tend to get better as the year goes on:

Many screamed to play more tougher folks and we did game 2 and 4 and it showed why I don’t like doing that.
I know folks don’t believe in gelling, bonding etc but it’s real. Can’t simulate games in June July Aug. no matter how hard you try.

That’s why I’m fine with cupcake non conference till you can figure it out. With some good ones sprinkled in early.

This is still our most talented roster. Not ready to throw in the towel yet.

Thank you for your response. I do see your points. The only pushback I would give is that this IS a cupcake non conference schedule with some good ones sprinkled in. Nebraska is maybe a bubble team. Gonzaga is really really good. Marquette is just okay. Wake Forest is good. OSU is good and Arizona State is a bad power four team. The rest are cupcakes. Dropping two, especially one to Nebraska puts them behind the eight ball already. Marquette, Wake Forest, OSU and Zona State are must wins.

 

[pnkranger]

The bottom line is that we can score and have some guards who can get their own shots or set their teammates up. We have some length to improve our rebounding. But so far we have looked totally disorganized and unfocused on both ends of the floor. If we can figure out how to play together on the defensive end, we can be really solid. Otherwise, it's going to be Moser's last year.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Thank you for your response. I do see your points. The only pushback I would give is that this IS a cupcake non conference schedule with some good ones sprinkled in. Nebraska is maybe a bubble team. Gonzaga is really really good. Marquette is just okay. Wake Forest is good. OSU is good and Arizona State is a bad power four team. The rest are cupcakes. Dropping two, especially one to Nebraska puts them behind the eight ball already. Marquette, Wake Forest, OSU and Zona State are must wins.

Yeah other than Gonzaga, these are all games we should feel very comfortable playing. Marquette is down this year. Not sure if Wake will prove to be that good, either, even though they played Michigan tough. I think Gonzaga was the only team in the top 40 in any of the metrics. If we can't schedule and beat teams like this, we aren't good enough to make the tourney anyway.

Given our history of going under .500 (often quite a bit under) in the conference, we probably need to win at least 3 of the 4 remaining real games in the noncon. If we split those four, we would enter conference play 9-4 and likely need to finish above .500 in the league -- which isn't going to happen with Moser.

 

[Boom Soon]

Yeah other than Gonzaga, these are all games we should feel very comfortable playing. Marquette is down this year. Not sure if Wake will prove to be that good, either, even though they played Michigan tough. I think Gonzaga was the only team in the top 40 in any of the metrics. If we can't schedule and beat teams like this, we aren't good enough to make the tourney anyway.

Given our history of going under .500 (often quite a bit under) in the conference, we probably need to win at least 3 of the 4 remaining real games in the noncon. If we split those four, we would enter conference play 9-4 and likely need to finish above .500 in the league -- which isn't going to happen with Moser.

I agree. That’s actually why I predicted another 20 win season in the other thread. I had a feeling they would drop a few in non conference. I would just have never, in my wildest dreams, thought they would let Nebraska score 105 on them.

I think, best case scenario, is they go 10 and 3 in the nonconference. But then they have to finish at least .500 in conference. And I’m not even sure that gets them in. The SEC is down a little bit this year. I don’t think it will hold as much weight as last year. That is good enough, I think, to give Moser another year.

Worst case scenario is .500 in nonconference and the season is over by January anyways

 

[hoopsaustin]

Thank you for your response. I do see your points. The only pushback I would give is that this IS a cupcake non conference schedule with some good ones sprinkled in. Nebraska is maybe a bubble team. Gonzaga is really really good. Marquette is just okay. Wake Forest is good. OSU is good and Arizona State is a bad power four team. The rest are cupcakes. Dropping two, especially one to Nebraska puts them behind the eight ball already. Marquette, Wake Forest, OSU and Zona State are must wins.

Man, we're 4 games in and talking about must wins already.. what does that say about porter loser?

 

[Boom Soon]

Man, we're 4 games in and talking about must wins already.. what does that say about porter loser?

He’s not good enough. Hasn’t been for three years now.

 

[CoachTalk]

I agree. That’s actually why I predicted another 20 win season in the other thread. I had a feeling they would drop a few in non conference. I would just have never, in my wildest dreams, thought they would let Nebraska score 105 on them.

I think, best case scenario, is they go 10 and 3 in the nonconference. But then they have to finish at least .500 in conference. And I’m not even sure that gets them in. The SEC is down a little bit this year. I don’t think it will hold as much weight as last year. That is good enough, I think, to give Moser another year.

Worst case scenario is .500 in nonconference and the season is over by January anyways

.500 in the conference is 100% getting you in.

 

[CoachTalk]

Thank you for your response. I do see your points. The only pushback I would give is that this IS a cupcake non conference schedule with some good ones sprinkled in. Nebraska is maybe a bubble team. Gonzaga is really really good. Marquette is just okay. Wake Forest is good. OSU is good and Arizona State is a bad power four team. The rest are cupcakes. Dropping two, especially one to Nebraska puts them behind the eight ball already. Marquette, Wake Forest, OSU and Zona State are must wins.

Saying must win in non conf is wild. You could lose every p4 non conf game and go 12-6 in sec and get in.

Which isn’t gonna happen! I repeat. Isn’t going to happen.

Give it some time!

 

[WichitaSooner]

Saying must win in non conf is wild. You could lose every p4 non conf game and go 12-6 in sec and get in.

Which isn’t gonna happen! I repeat. Isn’t going to happen.

Give it some time!

And if we go 18-0 in conference we will be a number 1 seed. And if one of our players averages 50 per game, he will win national POY. It’s super fun to live in fantasy land!!

 

[jdizzle34]

Fears should not have bought Moser an extra year. We are going to see that play out. There is no top-level talent on this roster that can elevate OU like Fears could. Moser is not good, and Fears masked that.

 

[CoachTalk]

And if we go 18-0 in conference we will be a number 1 seed. And if one of our players averages 50 per game, he will win national POY. It’s super fun to live in fantasy land!!

lol. Did you read the whole post? Clearly not.

Saying must win 4 games into a season is fantasy land

 

[WichitaSooner]

lol. Did you read the whole post? Clearly not.

Saying must win 4 games into a season is fantasy land

It's not fantasy land. Our coach is an idiot who realistically has no chance of going better than .500 in conference, and even that is a reach. If you go 2-4 (or worse) in your real noncon games, you'll be in serious trouble when you add in the atrocious scheduling that you refuse to acknowledge for reasons only you understand.

 

[Boom Soon]

lol. Did you read the whole post? Clearly not.

Saying must win 4 games into a season is fantasy land

I guess we aren’t following the same team.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Per Tyler Neal, Moser said after Nebraska that Jomes was about 10 days from returning. Which would put him several weeks before the original projections. And of course, we were told last week they expected him this week.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Per Tyler Neal, Moser said after Nebraska that Jomes was about 10 days from returning. Which would put him several weeks before the original projections. And of course, we were told last week they expected him this week.

per lusk OU views him as probable to play tomorrow vs oru