Going to Lattin at the end of the game

[hoopsaustin]

Put Buford in and lob it to him, Lattin does not go up strong in traffic!

Buford isn't exactly a finisher

 

[chuckb]

The game was lost when OU was up 61-57.

Didn't secure the rebound
Turnover
Airball

Ballgame.


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Out hustled for 2 offensive rebounds. Blown defense leading global to wide open 3. Those were also part of that putrid stretch on both ends of the court. All of this is why we lost the game. (Plus, still shots not falling.)

 

[skyvue]

Haha dude you blame more games on the ref then I've seen on this board...sometimes your guys just have to finish. There's gonna be contact late in games...part of the sport. Gotta deal with it. Spangler went up and short armed it...Lattin needs to be more physical...dude gave up a ton of off Rebs...

Is that the buzzing of a gnat I hear? Maybe a mosquito? Some kind of tiny pest.

Lattin got illegally cleared out on the play. I've watched it several times on replay. And the announcer thought Ryan got fouled on the play, and the fact that the Tech player traveled in the waning moments of the game is not up for debate. It's a fact that can be confirmed by watching the replay in slow motion (which I've done several times).

This thread isn't about the whole game; it's about the final play. That's what I addressed in my posts. And believe me, if I'm ever in the market for a lecture on being a good fan, it won't be you I'll turn to.

 

[TINY]

Should have been a tied game with :10 seconds left and tech ball but Lon screwed up. We got outplayed, out hustled and out coached.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Should have been a tied game with :10 seconds left and tech ball but Lon screwed up. We got outplayed, out hustled and out coached.

Sorry but that's stupid. He was calling for the timeout before Cousins went to the basket and without seeing a replay I'm guessing the Tech players noticed it and quit playing.

Regardless, even if he doesn't call a timeout do you believe we keep them from scoring and take it to OT? If we go to OT do you believe we win?

I think NO is the answer to both questions.

 

[skyvue]

The thing about these calls, is that it is a known fact that refs swallow their whistles in the final seconds of a game.

Except when they don't, of course. See the end of regulation in Lawrence.

 

[KBaden145]

The game was lost when OU was up 61-57.

Didn't secure the rebound
Turnover
Airball

Ballgame.


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I completely agree with this. Needed 1 stop and 1 bucket right this point in the game.


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[TINY]

Sorry but that's stupid. He was calling for the timeout before Cousins went to the basket and without seeing a replay I'm guessing the Tech players noticed it and quit playing.

Regardless, even if he doesn't call a timeout do you believe we keep them from scoring and take it to OT? If we go to OT do you believe we win?

I think NO is the answer to both questions.

Techs bigs hadn't gotten back yet and cousins can beat his man off the dribble at will. If Lon didn't recognize that prior to his timeout then he messed up.

I would have liked our chances better with the game tied that's for sure.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Techs bigs hadn't gotten back yet and cousins can beat his man off the dribble at will. If Lon didn't recognize that prior to his timeout then he messed up.

I would have liked our chances better with the game tied that's for sure.

According to JOhn Shinn and Guerin Emig, Buddy called the timeout. They speculate Lon motioned for it though.

 

[KBaden145]

According to JOhn Shinn and Guerin Emig, Buddy called the timeout. They speculate Lon motioned for it though.

The most likely scenario. I still would've let it play out but I don't think it's what lost this game.


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[skyvue]

According to JOhn Shinn and Guerin Emig, Buddy called the timeout. They speculate Lon motioned for it though.

Just goes to show that sometimes it's just a bad break, a defensible decision that turns out badly. Coach Kruger didn't ask for the timeout with Isaiah at the basket, it had to have happened well before that. He probably decided to ask for it before we'd even thrown it in at the other end.

Ironically, some here have criticized Coach Kruger for not calling enough time outs. Tonight he did and it came back to bite us.

 

[TINY]

Just goes to show that sometimes it's just a bad break, a defensible decision that turns out badly. Coach Kruger didn't ask for the timeout with Isaiah at the basket, it had to have happened well before that. He probably decided to ask for it before we'd even thrown it in at the other end.

Ironically, some here have criticized Coach Kruger for not calling enough time outs. Tonight he did and it came back to bite us.

There are times to call a time out and times when not to. Tonight, off the missed shot, you don't call a timeout because the defense hasn't gotten back yet usually. Against ku, lon should have called a timeout because they made the free throw and had time to get back.

Lon did a bad job managing the things he could control at the end of the game IMO. Wasn't the only reason we lost but it was the wrong decision both times IMO.

 

[chuckb]

According to JOhn Shinn and Guerin Emig, Buddy called the timeout. They speculate Lon motioned for it though.

Coaches can't call timeouts during game play anymore. They can tell players to call the TO and maybe Lon did. But a player must have made the call at some point.

 

[chuckb]

Just goes to show that sometimes it's just a bad break, a defensible decision that turns out badly. Coach Kruger didn't ask for the timeout with Isaiah at the basket, it had to have happened well before that. He probably decided to ask for it before we'd even thrown it in at the other end.

Ironically, some here have criticized Coach Kruger for not calling enough time outs. Tonight he did and it came back to bite us.

This. Normally I hate TO's in that circumstance b/c I don't like to let the defense get set up but we were having so much trouble with our offense, I can understand Kruger wanting to set something up. That said, he can't call the TO himself so, if he did ask for it (and I bet he did), he started trying to get a player to call it right after the ball was inbounded, not when Cousins got a step on his guy in the frontcourt. This was just really bad luck. My guess is that if Kruger noticed what an advantage Cousins had, he was probably regretting asking for the TO when it was whistled.

 

[sperry]

you have evidence to support that? So we shouldn't drive to the hoop to try to get a basket or foul? I disagree. When shots aren't falling, getting something going to the basket is the right call. It just didn't work, partly because Lattin and Spangler were fouled.

The first Kansas game springs to mind, where the KU kid admitted as much that he knew the refs were not going to call him for basically breaking every rule of inbound defense procedure.

There's also a guard vs. big man bias, as well as the "star" factor. Buddy driving to the lane is a lot more likely to get a call than Khadeem Lattin for body contact on a lob play, and certainly more likely than Spangler in a free for all on a putback.


The issue with the Lattin thing is the same, though. It's a 32.5% chance that Khadeem Lattin makes both free throws if they foul him. That's not what you're looking for.

 

[SilliSooner]

I think we were looking fora potential three point play. Lattin has converted the alley oops many times this year and is quite capable. In this case he should have converted it with an And-1.

Cousins didn't toss the perfect lob but if he had and the refs blew the whistle just as the dunk was dropping through, the Tech fans would have had a lynch party for the refs.

 

[Section31]

I think we were looking fora potential three point play. Lattin has converted the alley oops many times this year and is quite capable. In this case he should have converted it with an And-1.

Cousins didn't toss the perfect lob but if he had and the refs blew the whistle just as the dunk was dropping through, the Tech fans would have had a lynch party for the refs.

He seems to always only use one hand on oops and such. He missed one earlier in the game too...right?

 

[AdaSooner]

There are times to call a time out and times when not to. Tonight, off the missed shot, you don't call a timeout because the defense hasn't gotten back yet usually. Against ku, lon should have called a timeout because they made the free throw and had time to get back.

Lon did a bad job managing the things he could control at the end of the game IMO. Wasn't the only reason we lost but it was the wrong decision both times IMO.

I understand what you're saying about the good and the bad times to call a timeout. But, let's be honest here. If Isaiah had clanged his shot off of the backboard, posters would be criticizing Lon for not calling a timeout. He has been the target of more criticism about his reluctance to use a timeout than anything I can think of the past couple of years.

Lon usually allows the veterans on this team to make the right decision when a game is on the line, to a fault I might add. So, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Buddy decided to call the TO on his own. Even if he didn't, it's one of those things were you're damned if you do or damned if you don't, depending on the outcome. Unfortunately, the breaks of the game have simply not gone our way lately.

 

[opsooner]

Timeout good if we don't get transition and are in halfcourt offense. Timeout bad before that. Our offense is having trouble in halfcourt now because teams are using 5 guys to guard 3. Anything we can do in transition is a plus.

I thought the play was good though and said in the game thread that Lattin got rooted out (fouled). That's what happens when you let it come down to that though. You have to find a way to overcome.