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[SoonerTraveler]

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Men’s College Basketball
State rankings since 1965-66

Wins
Oklahoma 997
Tulsa 921
Oklahoma State 831

Post Season Appearances
Oklahoma 32
Tulsa 25
Oklahoma State 23

***Note OU has more NCAA tournament appearances during this span than OSU has NCAA & NIT appearances combined***

Last Updated 2/2/2015

There is no better comparison than head-to-head.

OU Leads All-Time Series : 133-95

OU has won 13 of the last 20 games, dating back to 2007.
OU has won 23 of the last 40 games dating back to 1997.

 

[oSuJeff97]

A valid point. Jeff, on the other hand, feels 23 is a nice number.

The real point is, oswho (which has been to three Sweet Sixteens over those 25 years, not four) has not been better than OU over the past 25 years.

Chill out, Francis.

I was simply rattling off some top of the head stuff, not writing a dissertation.

The whole point is that it's debateable, which some of the more reasonable people around here have recognized.

 

[DapperDan]

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There is no better comparison than head-to-head.

OU Leads All-Time Series : 133-95

OU has won 13 of the last 20 games, dating back to 2007.
OU has won 23 of the last 40 games dating back to 1997.

^ Very true. Thanks you, Travis Ford. Never leave!

 

[DapperDan]

Chill out, Francis.

I was simply rattling off some top of the head stuff, not writing a dissertation.

The whole point is that it's debateable, which some of the more reasonable people around here have recognized.

Jeff, you make some good points. In my unbiased opinion, I can see your argument, and agree that it is debatable to some extent. But IMO, you've got to go to the head to head record when it's close, and OU has the advantage both long and short term.

BUT the fact is, both programs are good. Both are top 25 historically, and have a lot to brag about. This whole argumeng is pretty childish, IMO. Good win yesterday, Jeff. I hope we can start to beat those cocky Jayhawks jerks on a consistent basis too.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Yes, congratulations to the Pokes for a big home win over the Jayhawks. It is a fine thing that the State of Oklahoma has such good basketball programs in the Big-12, and both have a wonderful basketball history.

 

[skyvue]

Chill out, Francis.

I was simply rattling off some top of the head stuff, not writing a dissertation.

The whole point is that it's debateable, which some of the more reasonable people around here have recognized.

You might want to get that head checked; it seems to have quite a bit of inaccurate info.

If you're going to post on a rival's board that your team just might have been better over the past 25 years, doing just a tiny bit of homework first (there's a cool tool out there called Google that makes it really easy) might be advisable.

And if you can't be bothered to do that, don't get your feelings hurt when one of your rival's fans points out the fallacies and inaccuracies in your argument.

 

[tycat947]

You might want to get that head checked; it seems to have quite a bit of inaccurate info.

If you're going to post on a rival's board that your team just might have been better over the past 25 years, doing just a tiny bit of homework first (there's a cool tool out there called Google that makes it really easy) might be advisable.

And if you can't be bothered to do that, don't get your feelings hurt when one of your rival's fans points out the fallacies and inaccuracies in your argument.

+1!

 

[BigTime]

You might want to get that head checked; it seems to have quite a bit of inaccurate info.

If you're going to post on a rival's board that your team just might have been better over the past 25 years, doing just a tiny bit of homework first (there's a cool tool out there called Google that makes it really easy) might be advisable.

And if you can't be bothered to do that, don't get your feelings hurt when one of your rival's fans points out the fallacies and inaccuracies in your argument.

He pulls this crap every time there is a thread comparing the programs. It is actually really not debateable.

Head to head - OU
Winning % - OU
Conference winning % - OU
Combined regular season and Big 8/12 tournament championships - OU
Finishing position in the conference standings - OU
Postseason appearances - OU
NCAA appearances - OU
Winning records against Big 8/12 opponents - OU
Number of weeks ranked in the AP or Coaches poll - OU

How is that debateable?

It is a better argument to compare OU and Texas for the number 2 spot over the past 25 years.

OSU is clearly 4th AT BEST during this time frame.

I guess Aggies want to put their fingers in their ears and yell out "lalallalalalalal" than face reality.

You want to go back further, Jeff? We've done this exercise before and it ain't pretty for pokey!

 

[BigTime]

Doug also deleted his tweet so there is that!

 

[coolm]

now ... don't get me wrong. I would expect the more exuberant Sooner faithful to take umbrage with Got-weed's statement.

I just don't see it as that big of a deal since he said it during the exuberance of a huge win for them. Had he just stated it out of the blue I'd probably be more peeved.

I think the fact that he deleted it shows exactly what I am saying. Once calmer heads prevailed he realized it was a rather iffy statement, even if arguable, and not worth the trouble.

 

[KBaden145]

Doug also deleted his tweet so there is that!

Hilarious! Perspective gets clouded sometimes. Really would like to see national guys like Doug try to have a little perspective even when they discuss their alma mater. Bias eats away their credibility and when they don't have much to begin with...


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[DenverSooner]

I think it is important for OU fans to not allow this crap to go unchallenged. This is a myth that the Oklahoma media likes to perpetuate and it hurts OU.

Both programs are good but facts are facts and OU has been better.

 

[Sooner04]

I think you guys are missing Dougie's point a little bit. This is the 25th season since Sutton was hired, so that is his benchmark. The 1990-91 hoops campaign. That started their ascent and marked the beginning of the end for Billy. I've crunched some numbers and added Texas since they've certainly had lots of success in their own right during the same time period.

These numbers are as of right now, at this very moment, dating back to the fall of 1990.


OKLAHOMA:

Overall record: 525-272 (.659 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 1 ('05)
Conference tournament championships: 3 ('01, '02, '03)
Big 8 record: 43-41 (.512 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 183-122 (.600 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 16
NCAA record: 15-16 (.484 winning percentage)
Sweet 16s: 1 ('99)
Elite 8s: 2 ('03, '09)
Final 4s: 1 ('02)
First Round Exits: 9
Losing campaigns: 3 ('10, '11, '12)
Losing conference campaigns: 6 ('91, '94, '07, '10, '11, '12)


OKLAHOMA STATE:

Overall record: 548-264 (.675 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 2 ('91, '04)
Conference tournament championships: 3 ('95, '04, '05)
Big 8 record: 53-31 (.631 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 172-133 (.564 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 17
NCAA record: 23-17
Sweet 16s: 3 ('91, '92, '05)
Elite 8s: 1 ('00)
Final 4s: 2 ('95, '04)
First Round Exits: 5
Losing campaigns: 1 ('12)
Losing conference campaigns: 7 ('97, '06, '07, '08, '11, '12, '14)



TEXAS:

Overall record: 556-265 (.677 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 6 ('92, '94, '95, '99, '06, '08)
Conference tournament championships: 2 ('94, '95)
SWC record: 61-25 (.709 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 198-106 (.651 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 21
NCAA record: 25-21 (.544 winning percentage)
Sweet 16s: 3 ('97, '02, '04)
Elite 8s: 2 ('06, '08)
Final 4s: 1 ('03)
First Round Exits: 6
Losing campaigns: 3 ('93, '98, '13)
Losing conference campaigns: 3 ('93, '98, '13)


After doing the research, it's pretty clear Dougie was wrong. Oklahoma State is not the second-best Big 12 program of the last 25 seasons. Hell, it's not Oklahoma either.

It's Texas!

Barf.

 

[stormspencer]

I think you guys are missing Dougie's point a little bit. This is the 25th season since Sutton was hired, so that is his benchmark. The 1990-91 hoops campaign. That started their ascent and marked the beginning of the end for Billy. I've crunched some numbers and added Texas since they've certainly had lots of success in their own right during the same time period.

These numbers are as of right now, at this very moment, dating back to the fall of 1990.


OKLAHOMA:

Overall record: 525-272 (.659 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 1 ('05)
Conference tournament championships: 3 ('01, '02, '03)
Big 8 record: 43-41 (.512 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 183-122 (.600 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 16
NCAA record: 15-16 (.484 winning percentage)
Sweet 16s: 1 ('99)
Elite 8s: 2 ('03, '09)
Final 4s: 1 ('02)
First Round Exits: 9
Losing campaigns: 3 ('10, '11, '12)
Losing conference campaigns: 6 ('91, '94, '07, '10, '11, '12)


OKLAHOMA STATE:

Overall record: 548-264 (.675 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 2 ('91, '04)
Conference tournament championships: 3 ('95, '04, '05)
Big 8 record: 53-31 (.631 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 172-133 (.564 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 17
NCAA record: 23-17
Sweet 16s: 3 ('91, '92, '05)
Elite 8s: 1 ('00)
Final 4s: 2 ('95, '04)
First Round Exits: 5
Losing campaigns: 1 ('12)
Losing conference campaigns: 7 ('97, '06, '07, '08, '11, '12, '14)



TEXAS:

Overall record: 556-265 (.677 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 6 ('92, '94, '95, '99, '06, '08)
Conference tournament championships: 2 ('94, '95)
SWC record: 61-25 (.709 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 198-106 (.651 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 21
NCAA record: 25-21 (.544 winning percentage)
Sweet 16s: 3 ('97, '02, '04)
Elite 8s: 2 ('06, '08)
Final 4s: 1 ('03)
First Round Exits: 6
Losing campaigns: 3 ('93, '98, '13)
Losing conference campaigns: 3 ('93, '98, '13)


After doing the research, it's pretty clear Dougie was wrong. Oklahoma State is not the second-best Big 12 program of the last 25 seasons. Hell, it's not Oklahoma either.

It's Texas!

Barf.

That is a good summary 04. I was fairly surprised to see the success that Texas has had over that time period. I vaguely remember even before Barnes got to Austin, that Penders had some decent teams and a few really good players at Texas. And outside of Arkansas, you could bulk up some good conference numbers in the old SWC.

 

[chiron]

If OSU fans felt like their team has been the 2nd best team in the big 12 for the past 25 years, would they have stormed the court yesterday?

 

[IndySooner]

I would be curious what ISU looked like as well.

 

[NMSooner'80]

I think it is important for OU fans to not allow this crap to go unchallenged. This is a myth that the Oklahoma media likes to perpetuate and it hurts OU.

Both programs are good but facts are facts and OU has been better.

It would bug me no matter what, but I really hate it for two other reasons. One, it creates a recruiting obstacle for OU that's absurd, and two - I also believe it hurts attendance because people don't realize how good OU has been for almost the entire LNC "era."

 

[BigTime]

I think it is important for OU fans to not allow this crap to go unchallenged. This is a myth that the Oklahoma media likes to perpetuate and it hurts OU.

Both programs are good but facts are facts and OU has been better.

Amen

 

[Sooner04]

I would be curious what ISU looked like as well.

You sound like my boss. "That's a nice piece of work, but what about this as well?"




IOWA STATE:

Overall record: 470-321 (.594 winning percentage)
Conference championships: 2 ('00, '01)
Conference tournament championships: 3 ('96, '00, '14)
Big 8 record: 38-46 (.452 winning percentage)
Big 12 record: 141-163 (.464 winning percentage)
NCAA appearances: 11
NCAA record: 13-11 (.542 winning percentage)
Sweet 16s: 2 ('97, '14)
Elite 8s: 1 ('00)
Final 4s: 0
First Round Exits: 2
Losing campaigns: 7 ('91, '98, '02, '07, '08, '09, '10)
Losing conference campaigns: 15 (that's too many to list individually!)


In tabulating this research, I've really come to appreciate just how solid Texas, OU and OSU have been for the last 25 years. It's been a remarkable record of consistency.

In closing, a team of clydesdales with a rope tied to my nuts could not drag me back to the computer to compile these same stats as they apply to the chickenhawks. So go ask somebody else!!

 

[KBaden145]

You sound like my boss. "That's a nice piece of work, but what about this as well?"









IOWA STATE:



Overall record: 470-321 (.594 winning percentage)

Conference championships: 2 ('00, '01)

Conference tournament championships: 3 ('96, '00, '14)

Big 8 record: 38-46 (.452 winning percentage)

Big 12 record: 141-163 (.464 winning percentage)

NCAA appearances: 11

NCAA record: 13-11 (.542 winning percentage)

Sweet 16s: 2 ('97, '14)

Elite 8s: 1 ('00)

Final 4s: 0

First Round Exits: 2

Losing campaigns: 7 ('91, '98, '02, '07, '08, '09, '10)

Losing conference campaigns: 15 (that's too many to list individually!)





In tabulating this research, I've really come to appreciate just how solid Texas, OU and OSU have been for the last 25 years. It's been a remarkable record of consistency.



In closing, a team of clydesdales with a rope tied to my nuts could not drag me back to the computer to compile these same stats as they apply to the chickenhawks. So go ask somebody else!!

Good work here, '04. That is a little sobering to see but, as I always say, facts are facts. As I said earlier, what really matters is what you done lately and, last I looked, we have a 7 game winning streak against these guys that is about to stretch to 8 on February 17th.


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