Great atmosphere at Wichita State

OU would have died to get at 500% or better and play in the NIT.
 
I heard their coach speak at a basketball coaches clinic in Texas last year. Very impressive. Definitely not a guy your taking a chance on. He's a proven winner, not a young guy. He'd be a smart, good hire. Not a flashy hire; but I think he would have us back to being a legitimate contender in a couple years.
 
realdallassooner said:
I heard their coach speak at a basketball coaches clinic in Texas last year. Very impressive. Definitely not a guy your taking a chance on. He's a proven winner, not a young guy. He'd be a smart, good hire. Not a flashy hire; but I think he would have us back to being a legitimate contender in a couple years.
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He's what, mid 40s? He may not be a young guy, but he's far from old. Really, he's probably got about the perfect amount of experience as a head coach. He's proven he can build and sustain a program at Winthrop. he's proven it wasn't just luck by doing the same at WSU. And he's still got another 15-20 years of quality coaching left. You'd be bringing him in right in his prime.
 
WSU signed one of Ellis' teammates this spring. Might be able to get him out of his LOI if it'll help with Ellis.
 
I have sat on the floor right behind the WSU bench on many occassions. Marshall just doesn't seem to be a great "game" coach. He has enthusiasm and charisma and can obiously recruit well. He seems to be very similar to Capel, because Capel was a horrendous "game" coach.
 
SoonerWarVet said:
I have sat on the floor right behind the WSU bench on many occassions. Marshall just doesn't seem to be a great "game" coach. He has enthusiasm and charisma and can obiously recruit well. He seems to be very similar to Capel, because Capel was a horrendous "game" coach.
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Please elaborate.
 
Doc Sadler (for instance) is a great game coach. He may not be a great recruiter, be he is a great game coach. He outcoached Bill Self earlier this year and nearly beat them. Doc Sadler has complete control during the game. HE decides what players go in and what players come out. He decides when to change defenses, when to call set plays, etc. Marshall, on the other hand, is flamboyant and ethusiastic on the sideline, but from what I have seen (sitting five feet from him), his top assistant determines what players come in and out. I'll be honest, I haven't been to a lot of games, but the few I have seen I him just yell and stop his feet. I actually spent almost an entire game watching him and his coaching (instead of really paying attention to the game). He doesn't switch defenses nearly quick enough when they clearly aren't working (which is one of the few downsides of Bill Self other than his toupee). It just seemed to me when I have watched him that his assistants were doing most of the actual coaching. I want a coach to take control and make important decisions.
 
It doesn't seem like to me that a "horrendous game coach" would be able to take Winthrop to 7 NCAA tournaments in the span of 9 years. Also look at the records of his teams at Wichita State. Notice something?

07-08: 11-20
08-09: 17-17
09-10: 25-10
10-11: 24-7
 
I am with seniorsooner here...he is proven to be a good coach, whether he does the heavy lifting on game day or before is of no consequence.
 
SoonerWarVet said:
Doc Sadler (for instance) is a great game coach. He may not be a great recruiter, be he is a great game coach. He outcoached Bill Self earlier this year and nearly beat them. Doc Sadler has complete control during the game. HE decides what players go in and what players come out. He decides when to change defenses, when to call set plays, etc. Marshall, on the other hand, is flamboyant and ethusiastic on the sideline, but from what I have seen (sitting five feet from him), his top assistant determines what players come in and out. I'll be honest, I haven't been to a lot of games, but the few I have seen I him just yell and stop his feet. I actually spent almost an entire game watching him and his coaching (instead of really paying attention to the game). He doesn't switch defenses nearly quick enough when they clearly aren't working (which is one of the few downsides of Bill Self other than his toupee). It just seemed to me when I have watched him that his assistants were doing most of the actual coaching. I want a coach to take control and make important decisions.
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Thanks, for elaborating. I respectfully disagree, Marshall has done a good job everywhere he has been. My only knock on him (and probably the reason he doesn't have a bigger buzz) is he SHOULD have won the Mo Valley this year.

BTW, Steve Alford's #1 assistant at New Mexico does a lot of their in-game play drawing and they have had good teams the past few years. A coaching staff is no different than than the team itself, you have to have guys who fill roles. My biggest beef with Capel is his assistants didn't seem like they did crap during a game except tally fouls.
 
Capel's staff was one of his biggest problems. In way over their heads. All "yes" men instead of being confident enough to make decisions on their own. The staff also was totally outworked in the recruiting wars. I didn't even mention their lack of talent evaluation. Look at the roster.....
 
seniorsooner said:
It doesn't seem like to me that a "horrendous game coach" would be able to take Winthrop to 7 NCAA tournaments in the span of 9 years. Also look at the records of his teams at Wichita State. Notice something?

07-08: 11-20
08-09: 17-17
09-10: 25-10
10-11: 24-7
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I didn't say he was horrendous. I said Jeff was a herrendous game coach, and Marshall is similar. I am not saying Marshall (overall) is not a good coach. I will say this was a down year for the missouri valley. Look at the perennial power in the league, Creighton.

But regardless, he is a good coach. I don't think he is what OU needs. I don't think he manages games effectively. I have seen him. OU CAN AND WILL DO BETTER!!!

WSU has a second round NIT game coming up. Try to watch it to see if I am wrong.
 
Bill self is not typically known as a great "game" coach. Ask any "REASONABLE" and non-blinded KU fan and they will tell you the same. It will ultimately cost them in the tourney.
 
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