I know this is a hoops board but...

[skyvue]

Don't disagree, but if a bouncer is pushed by a patron with intent, he is going to get his you know what kicked. If it is a larger man, they often call the police. Not sure what bars you guys are hanging out, but this happens quite a bit at "clubs" which aren't your neighborhood watering hole.

If you're calling the police on a guy because he hasn't left within ten minutes of closing time, you're not a very experienced bouncer. And if you blow your top and go off on a guy who's been drinking because he gives your shoulder a shove (in other words, no harm done, except perhaps to your pride), especially when you know you have plenty of backup, then you're not a very good bouncer.

The point is to keep everyone safe and sane throughout the night and to clear the house within a reasonable amount of time at closing time. Period. If a bouncer has any other agenda and/or has that short a fuse, he's just a knucklehead and isn't suited to his job.

I know there are a lot of bouncers out there (and some cops) who are looking for an excuse to go off on some clown who's had too many, but a smart club owner is more selective in his hiring than that.

 

[coolm]

watching too many episodes of Perry Mason? No, I was just representing thousands of Oklahomans in criminal cases and questioning thousands of officers in the process. In fact - after Jerry Jones I have represented the most criminal defendants in the state of Oklahoma the last 10 years according to OCIS and OSCN.

I will know what I know and the 3 of you can continue believing what you believe. I know who is right.

 

[garyeb2]

watching too many episodes of Perry Mason? No, I was just representing thousands of Oklahomans in criminal cases and questioning thousands of officers in the process. In fact - after Jerry Jones I have represented the most criminal defendants in the state of Oklahoma the last 10 years according to OCIS and OSCN.

I will know what I know and the 3 of you can continue believing what you believe. I know who is right.

The criminal justice system is rife with injustices. In practical application it goes something like this: You are guilty until proven innocent. If you have money you are innocent and if you don't, you are guilty.

In many circumstances it is alittle cottage industry that seems to be in existance for no other reason thn to exploit those that can not defend themselves. If I had been born Kennedey rich I would have liked to have spent my life doing pro bono crimminal defense work. So, more power to you.

But, none of that changes the fact that most crimminal defendents are guilty. And I' right about police powers.

 

[bocabull]

The club GM is quoted in the article linked above as saying AD was wasted, admitted to being wasted, and was basically an a$$ on night.

For those that still think he is innocent of any wrong doing, please, let's place a wager. I could use some extra pocket money this summer.

Don't make this wager. Peterson hired Rusty Hardin who is already attacking the club owner. The strategy will be to make false accusations to negatively impact his business.

Peterson hiring a high profile ambulance chaser is just more evidence he is guilty. The poor bar owner will want to drop any criminal charges to make this go away versus losing business.

The problem is the off duty police officer won't let it go away. He will see $ signs and go after Peterson civilly. That's why Hardin was brought in.

 

[stoops4pres]

LOL

I bet that officer didn't even know who he was. There are a TON of pro athletes, that if I saw them in street close, in a situation like that, I wouldn't even know they played professionally.

I think that's doubtful from the officer's perspective. One of the most popular athletes in America, in a football city of Houston, which is in the state where AD's from, surrounded by everyone that knew he was in the club... If they didn't undoubtedly know AD was a star NFL player, they definitely knew he was the most popular person in the room that night. You'd have to be blind not to realize that.

Not saying AD was right or wrong; it seems that both sides should've handled the situation better. But the way everyone was treating him, I'd be shocked if the officers didn't realize he was a very popular figure.

 

[sybarite]

The problem is the off duty police officer won't let it go away. He will see $ signs and go after Peterson civilly. That's why Hardin was brought in.

It wouldn't be surprising to see the department tell him to shut up. The publicity may hurt the department more than any arrest might help them.

 

[steverocks35]

Don't make this wager. Peterson hired Rusty Hardin who is already attacking the club owner. The strategy will be to make false accusations to negatively impact his business.

Peterson hiring a high profile ambulance chaser is just more evidence he is guilty. The poor bar owner will want to drop any criminal charges to make this go away versus losing business.

The problem is the off duty police officer won't let it go away. He will see $ signs and go after Peterson civilly. That's why Hardin was brought in.

I disagree. I think that if he was guilty he would just pay the fine and go on.

What grounds does the bouncer have to sue him civilly? He shoved me therefore he owes me millions? That makes no sense. I believe that AD intends to fight this tooth and nail because he believes an injustice was done. Again, just my humble opinion. I have no more insight than anyone else here.

Also, this isn't Pacman Jones we're talking about here. Except for one minor incident when he was a freshman AD's reputation is impeccable.

 

[coolm]

The criminal justice system is rife with injustices. In practical application it goes something like this: You are guilty until proven innocent. If you have money you are innocent and if you don't, you are guilty.

In many circumstances it is alittle cottage industry that seems to be in existance for no other reason thn to exploit those that can not defend themselves. If I had been born Kennedey rich I would have liked to have spent my life doing pro bono crimminal defense work. So, more power to you.

But, none of that changes the fact that most crimminal defendents are guilty. And I' right about police powers.

there are few things more annoying than someone who just doesn't know wtf he or she is talking about yet they continue on like they know something.

 

[garyeb2]

there are few things more annoying than someone who just doesn't know wtf he or she is talking about yet they continue on like they know something.

Yea, that is what I was thinking. For someone that is suppose to be some kind of of trail capable lawyer, you seem to be having trouble coming with any fact based arguements. Oh that's right, you high volume crimminal defense guys don't argue cases, you plead them.

So, with this big sampling of cases. Second only to Jerry Jones. That wouldn't be the same Jerry Jones that got derailed a few years back for accepting stolen merchandise in lieu of fees would it? But, anyway, count up how many you plead out vs dismissals and exonerations. Then tell us how many were guilty and how many were innocent. But, you won't do that will you. Most crimminal defendents are guilty. And that is the end of that story.

As for the police powers, Quote me some case law. Isn't that what they taught you to do in school. Let me help you on that. I know most high volume crimminal defense lawyers are busy hanging around the court house hustling clients for $50 a pop. I hope you are not part of that group.

I think the closest you can find is a case that limits the off duty powers of campus police, correctional officers, and reserve offficers. And even that one has yet to be heard by the supreme court. Other limitations are a matter of policy not law and they vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. An example might be that off duty officers are not covered by workman's comp. That in itself might be enough for an off duty officer to limit himself or his dept. to have a policy that would limit how much and to what limit police powers are to be used.

Now, you started this with an insult. Which isn't surprising, that is the track most of your basketball arguements take. If you want to keep this up, fire away. But, at least, for the entertainment value of those that might be following along, come up with something. A fact, a figure, anything.

 

[sybarite]

Trail lawyers are an interesting breed, probably more entertaining than trial lawyers.

 

[garyeb2]

Trail lawyers are an interesting breed, probably more entertaining than trial lawyers.

Do you think that I should edit that. Or just leave it and let you have your fun.

 

[steverocks35]

I think someone that spells "criminal" c-r-i-m-m-i-n-a-l should probably stop embarrassing themselves now.

 

[Tundrasooner]

I think someone that spells "criminal" c-r-i-m-m-i-n-a-l should probably stop embarrassing themselves now.

I think someone, who while in the process of ragging on someone else for misspelling a word and then had to edit their own post in the process, should follow their own advise...






JK...

 

[garyeb2]

I think someone that spells "criminal" c-r-i-m-m-i-n-a-l should probably stop embarrassing themselves now.

We have been down this road before. There are a handfull of poster's on this board, and apparently you are one of them, that when they have nothing valid to add. They have no basis in fact in any position they take. Then they attact someone on spelling and punctuation. Doing that is personal, mean spirited, and childish. Why don't you try staking out a position and then defending it the best you can. That, in the long run, will likely turn out to be more rewarding for you than being a cheap shot artist.

 

[steverocks35]

I just feel that if you are attacking someone else about their knowledge in a field then you probably shouldn't display your lack of knowledge while doing it.

 

[garyeb2]

I just feel that if you are attacking someone else about their knowledge in a field then you probably shouldn't display your lack of knowledge while doing it.

Horse hockey. That isn't what you were doing at all. You were taking a personel, mean spirited, and childish shot at me. If you were concerned about spelling and puncuation in the context of an arguement, you had ample opportunity to take the same shot in reguards to the post of the guy I was argueing with.

 

[steverocks35]

Wut?

 

[WaymanFan]

I got this off the NFL.COM website. Adrian's dad has officially weighed in. Until the rest of the facts come in, I'm under the belief both sides could have handled this better. As a black belt who understands the law is a bit harsher on us, I'm disappointed that law enforcement let it get so out of hand. Just because someone has the authority (or the skills), doesn't mean they need to show someone "who is boss." I remember breaking up a fight one time and getting hit for my efforts. It wouldn't say much for me if I decided to go off on the person who hit me. The feeling I'm getting from the actions of the police is they chose to "go off" on Adrian.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ed-vulgar-language?module=HP11_headline_stack


Adrian Peterson tweeted Sunday that the truth will surface in regard to his weekend arrest at a Houston nightclub.

We now have at least some of Peterson's side of the story, courtesy of his father.

Nelson Peterson told the Pioneer Press on Monday that an off-duty police officer used "vulgar language" and was "disrespectful" when asking the Minnesota Vikings running back to leave the club.

"From what I've gathered, he was very disrespectful to Adrian," Nelson said by phone.

Nelson -- who was not at the club but is close to his son -- said Adrian Peterson suffered a black eye when his face hit the ground during his arrest. Nelson told the newspaper Peterson did not push the officer and said his son has "a high regard for people in the military and the officers that help protect us."

"The officer said he pushed him, shoved him, then why is he not charged with assault?" Nelson said. "Only charged with resisting arrest. Doesn't make sense."

Security cameras at the club reportedly captured the incident on tape, but it's unknown if it includes audio that backs Nelson's claims.

Houston Police Department spokesperson Kese Smith told NFL.com and NFL Network on Monday that Peterson probably will end up with a fine because the charge against him is a misdemeanor.

 

[steverocks35]

While I realize Adrian's dad is going to be a tad biased, I got this off the NFL.COM website. Until the rest of the facts come in, I'm under the belief both sides could have handled this better. As a black belt who understands the law is a bit harsher on us, I'm disappointed that law enforcement let it get so out of hand. Just because someone has the authority (or the skills), doesn't mean they need to show someone "who is boss." I remember breaking up a fight one time and getting hit for my efforts. It wouldn't say much for me if I decided to go off on the person who hit me. The feeling I'm getting from the actions of the police is they chose to "go off" on Adrian.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...ed-vulgar-language?module=HP11_headline_stack


Adrian Peterson tweeted Sunday that the truth will surface in regard to his weekend arrest at a Houston nightclub.

We now have at least some of Peterson's side of the story, courtesy of his father.

Nelson Peterson told the Pioneer Press on Monday that an off-duty police officer used "vulgar language" and was "disrespectful" when asking the Minnesota Vikings running back to leave the club.

"From what I've gathered, he was very disrespectful to Adrian," Nelson said by phone.

Nelson -- who was not at the club but is close to his son -- said Adrian Peterson suffered a black eye when his face hit the ground during his arrest. Nelson told the newspaper Peterson did not push the officer and said his son has "a high regard for people in the military and the officers that help protect us."

"The officer said he pushed him, shoved him, then why is he not charged with assault?" Nelson said. "Only charged with resisting arrest. Doesn't make sense."
Security cameras at the club reportedly captured the incident on tape, but it's unknown if it includes audio that backs Nelson's claims.

Houston Police Department spokesperson Kese Smith told NFL.com and NFL Network on Monday that Peterson probably will end up with a fine because the charge against him is a misdemeanor.

This is the part that has puzzled me also.

 

[WTSooner]

Yea, that is what I was thinking. For someone that is suppose to be some kind of of trail capable lawyer, you seem to be having trouble coming with any fact based arguements. Oh that's right, you high volume crimminal defense guys don't argue cases, you plead them.