Incoming transfer?

I guess you guys have me...

Every single player on the roster will improve, all incoming recruits will be contributors, and there will still be minutes and possessions left over for the current returning starters to get theirs!

It'll only be the first time ever in OU basketball history that this occurred but this year its going to happen for sure.

Hell even Mcneace is going to provide some quality minutes for us!



If Buddy stays, this team can absolutely be better. Cousins and Woodard still have a ton of room for improvement. You have to expect another offseason will be huge for Lattin as well. While Buford hasn't had the on court training, he will have had a full year in the strenght and conditioning program which will be a big deal. JUCOs usually improve from year 1 to 2, so Walker could definitely give us more than he did last year. Manyang and McNease should at least be able to replicate the energy that Lattin gave us, and hopefully more than that from Manyang. You add two solid freshmen prospects.


You are replacing two players with five. Yes, one of those players was a big time contriubtor, whose offensive post produciton isn't likely to be replaced. The other guy was the definition of a replacement level back up big man. But you're adding a ton of depth, and a ton of options. With every player on the roster likely improving at least a little bit in the offseason, if Buddy comes back you're looking at a team that should be really good.
 
I guess you guys have me...

Every single player on the roster will improve, all incoming recruits will be contributors, and there will still be minutes and possessions left over for the current returning starters to get theirs!

It'll only be the first time ever in OU basketball history that this occurred but this year its going to happen for sure.

Hell even Mcneace is going to provide some quality minutes for us!

When haven't guys improved, especially under Kruger?

Personally I would say all of these guys should notable improvement under Kruger: Grooms, Pledger, Osby, Clark, T. Neal, Booker, Cousins, Hield, Spangler, and Woodard.

I would say a only few guys didn't show notable improvement like Fitzgerald, Aren't (he never really played so it is hard to say), Bennett (didn't play much), and Hornbeak. With respect to Fitzgerald, he was way better his first season under Kruger but didn't show much improvement between his junior and senior season. Hornbeak didn't show much improvement between his freshman and sophomore season but I attribute it to attitude and injuries.

With respect to McNeace, I think people are saying he will be as good or better than Bennett. I don't think anyone is expecting him to be in the top 3 rotation for bigs.
 
You are replacing two players with five. Yes, one of those players was a big time contriubtor, whose offensive post produciton isn't likely to be replaced. The other guy was the definition of a replacement level back up big man. But you're adding a ton of depth, and a ton of options. With every player on the roster likely improving at least a little bit in the offseason, if Buddy comes back you're looking at a team that should be really good.

I agree. Who ever gets Thomas' minutes should score at least 6 points per game. That means the other guys have to add six points combined to what they did this year. That isn't much. I think Spangler will add 2-3 of those points alone. If Cousins and Woodard each add 2, OU is pretty much even. I expect the bench to be notably better.
 
Just saw Manyang is listed at 235 lbs on the Indian Hills roster. That's good to see from the 220 lbs he was last year. If he could put on another 10+ lbs before next season he could really be a viable option to replace Thomas.

We'll see what he looks like against D-1 competition next season, but I think there is reason to be cautiously optimistic.
 
Manyang was working with D1 guys every day in Practice.
 
Manyang was working with D1 guys every day in Practice.

Working with 5-7 different levels of D1 guys in practice with a JUCO coach is different than working with 10-12 high major D1 everyday with Kruger. That's why I think JUCOs make a huge jump the second year they are on campus.

I am excited about Manyang, love what he could bring to this team. I just think him coming in day 1 and being that player is very unlikely, even though he still might be a starter from day 1. I'm anxious to see where he's at about the middle of our conference schedule. Why do you think the coaching staff can't wait to get him there? They have a ton they need to show and correct him on.
 
Working with 5-7 different levels of D1 guys in practice with a JUCO coach is different than working with 10-12 high major D1 everyday with Kruger. That's why I think JUCOs make a huge jump the second year they are on campus.

I am excited about Manyang, love what he could bring to this team. I just think him coming in day 1 and being that player is very unlikely, even though he still might be a starter from day 1. I'm anxious to see where he's at about the middle of our conference schedule. Why do you think the coaching staff can't wait to get him there? They have a ton they need to show and correct him on.

I agree 100%. I was just pointing out that he has been working with some. Not every juco has even 1-2 d1 guys. Ive been saying for over a year now (maybe 2 years), he will come in and make us better! One of very few who have said that from the beginning. I may be wrong.
 
I agree 100%. I was just pointing out that he has been working with some. Not every juco has even 1-2 d1 guys. Ive been saying for over a year now (maybe 2 years), he will come in and make us better! One of very few who have said that from the beginning. I may be wrong.

Yes it's obviously a top notch JUCO and I think his numbers are skewed because of all the talent he plays with/shares. I also believe he will contribute from day 1, my point was that he won't even resemble the player from the beginning of the season next year than when he leaves. There are 2 consensus predictions on Manyang:
1) He averaged 8 & 6 in JUCO, he will be raw and might only help as a rim protector.
2) He's gonna start and be the missing piece to take this team to a different level.

I think he will probably be both of these.
 
Only thing I really disagree with is one of James/Odomes transferring.

I'm an idiot...
I meant to type "redshirt" and I typed transfer I guess because of the thread title.:facepalm
 
I guess you guys have me...

Every single player on the roster will improve, all incoming recruits will be contributors, and there will still be minutes and possessions left over for the current returning starters to get theirs!

It'll only be the first time ever in OU basketball history that this occurred but this year its going to happen for sure.

I think your sarcasm here is completely off base...
Because ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED FOR THE LAST THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS!

Every year Kruger has been here his players have improved and he's brought in more talented players than he's had before. This is not some huge stretch or something that has never happened "in OU basketball history." We lost 45 points per game off our 2013 team, and we were a significantly better team in 2014. We lost a starter who averaged 15/5.5 (better than Thomas's numbers) off last years team, and we were better this year. Saying this program will continue to improve with the addition of new talent and improvement of players on campus is not some off the wall prediction.
 
If Buddy leaves:

Source tells Scout that Damion Lee will transfer out of Drexel. Will graduate and be available right away. Averaged 21.4 a game.
 
If Buddy leaves:

Source tells Scout that Damion Lee will transfer out of Drexel. Will graduate and be available right away. Averaged 21.4 a game.

WHy only IF buddy leaves? We can has both?
 
I think your sarcasm here is completely off base...
Because ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED FOR THE LAST THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS!

Every year Kruger has been here his players have improved and he's brought in more talented players than he's had before. This is not some huge stretch or something that has never happened "in OU basketball history." We lost 45 points per game off our 2013 team, and we were a significantly better team in 2014. We lost a starter who averaged 15/5.5 (better than Thomas's numbers) off last years team, and we were better this year. Saying this program will continue to improve with the addition of new talent and improvement of players on campus is not some off the wall prediction.

Offensively:
Spangler's production decrease this year and so did Woodard & Bookers.

Cousins plateued.

Defensively:
The team improved but part of that is having two real post players in the starting lineup. Cam Clark was at a disadvantage on defensive end the prior year.

No doubt improvements will be made but not by every single players on the roster! That's the point. Some will have no change, some will improve, some will drop off. Then you have addition to roster and subtraction.

I don't see a huge leap in talent but I do see increased depth.
I don't see a post scoring presence next year and we just lost our only one in TT.

The ability to throw it into the post for a high % shot is a big deal. I don't see Lattin or Manyang providing that.

We may start Spangler/Manyang, Buford/Spangler.
 
Offensively:
Cousins plateued.

Plateaued? He led the conference in 3 point shooting. No one would have expected that after last season. He also lowered his TOs per game compared to last season. He definitely did not plateau.
 
Plateaued? He led the conference in 3 point shooting. No one would have expected that after last season. He also lowered his TOs per game compared to last season. He definitely did not plateau.

Cousins' major drop off at FT% was the only thing that kept him from drastically improving his overall scoring numbers from last season. I'm hoping he gets that fixed this summer.
 
Offensively:
Spangler's production decrease this year and so did Woodard & Bookers.

Cousins plateued.

Defensively:
The team improved but part of that is having two real post players in the starting lineup. Cam Clark was at a disadvantage on defensive end the prior year.

No doubt improvements will be made but not by every single players on the roster! That's the point. Some will have no change, some will improve, some will drop off. Then you have addition to roster and subtraction.

I don't see a huge leap in talent but I do see increased depth.
I don't see a post scoring presence next year and we just lost our only one in TT.

The ability to throw it into the post for a high % shot is a big deal. I don't see Lattin or Manyang providing that.

We may start Spangler/Manyang, Buford/Spangler.

Saying someone didn't improve because there numbers stayed the same or got worse is an elementary way at looking at things. Usually if someones numbers get worse it means that the team got better. Did you expect Spanglers rebounds to go up replacing Clark with Thomas & Lattin? Do you think that Woodard spent more time running the offense and improving his defense rather than improving his scoring by shooting more when we had Hield & Cousins returning?
 
Cousins' major drop off at FT% was the only thing that kept him from drastically improving his overall scoring numbers from last season. I'm hoping he gets that fixed this summer.

I thought the FT drop off was due to his wrist injury, but I have no stats to back that up.
 
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