Ingersoll to return as Douglass boys coach

[Mr.B!!!]

Kentucky
North Carolina
UCLA
Duke
Indiana
Kansas

After that there are about 20 programs "all-time" that are debatable, and I'm cautious of even putting Duke on that list. As far as OU and oSu, I don't count the "agricultural exemption" years, so take off two final fours and two championships....they did beat the "religious objectors" though, so I guess I'll give them props for that!

And just FYI, that's not a shot at Kurland or Milkan, as neither were candidates for active military duty during that time.

 

[WaymanFan]

What I don't get, is how some fans can out of one side of their mouth say things that happened 70 years ago are irrelevant, but, then out of the other side tout the all-time record, when many of the games happened that long ago or even longer.

The last 20 years, its OSU-24, OU-22. The last 10 years, OU-13, OSU-11. I think those are much more representative of the closeness of the two programs, don't you guys?

The reason I don't give much creedence to the all-time head-to-head record is because I don't like it when Texas throws this argument at us in football. Since I'll take our 7 titles to their 4 over their head-to-head advantage, it's only fair to use the same criteria for OU-OSU in basketball. While I don't discount their two titles from the '40s, it has to be minimized since the NCAA Tournament did not start becoming more important than the NIT until the mid-late 1950s when the likes of Chaimberlain and Russell were playing in the Big Dance.

For the all-time better program between OU and OSU in basketball, the reason most publications have OU as the slight leader is because of one decade - the 1980s. OU became a national power from the time Wayman Tisdale set foot on campus until the wheels came off just prior to the start of the '90-'91 season. We had 4 four #1 seeds and one #2 over that eight year period. It's hard to argue why that would give OU a slight advantage over OSU when comparing all-time programs.

Since the day Eddie Sutton arrived at OSU, though, it is my opinion these two programs have been about as dead-even as two programs can be. OSU has one distinct advantage - being a better NCAA Tournament team (yes, NCAA Tournament record is a factor when comparing the two). OU also has one distinct advantage - in the first 13 years of the Big XII Conference, OU has entered the conference tournament as the higher seed than OSU in 12 of those years. OSU fans should not be dismissing that any more so than OU fans dismissing the NCAA Tournament results.

Bottom line: Bedlam basketball will continue to be a great rivalry for as long as all of us are on this earth.

 

[skyvue]

Some fun oswho facts:

In their history, they've won just one NCAA tourney game with someone other than Henry Iba or Eddie Sutton at the helm. They've played just three such games.

Just six of their 17 pre-Ford coaches finished above .500. Iba and Sutton aside, none had what might be considered a successful tenure. Paul Hansen was arguably the best of the bunch, and he finished in the top half of the Big 8 just once and took the Aggies to just one NCAA tourney. They lost in the first round.

So in truth, the Aggies have been a two-trick pony. They've had two successful coaches out of 17 (18, if you count Ford, but it's not really fair to assess him at this point in his tenure--but he's shown no signs of being at the level of Iba and Sutton).

This from the school their fans (and the local media) would have us believe is the state's basketball power.

As for Iba, he had a remarkable twenty-year run in Stillwater. The problem is, his tenure with the Aggies lasted 36 years. In his final 16 seasons, Iba went to just two NCAA tourneys and one NIT. (Imagine if Bud Wilkinson had remained at OU until 1979 but his teams had played in just three bowl games between 1963 and 1979. It might have tarnished his legacy a bit, no?)

 

[Sawyer]

Does anyone actually know anything about Clark?

 

[bocabull]

Lol @ Aggy fans counting final 4s from the 8 team tournaments of the stone ages. The "Final Four" was first referenced in 1975.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Lol @ Aggy fans counting final 4s from the 8 team tournaments of the stone ages. The "Final Four" was first referenced in 1975.

Don't forget he/she doesn't debate bedlam basketball either.:ez-roll::ez-roll:

:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm

 

[OSUcpa]

Does anyone actually know anything about Clark?

Sounds like he is leaning toward 2012 class and will do all the things he needs to in order to play somewhere this coming year.

He has said he will be taking visits to OSU and UCLA.

Considering FSU, UCONN, and Mizzou as well. He may take one 1 more visit out of these three schools and he wants to make a decision before July.

 

[OSUcpa]

Lol @ Aggy fans counting final 4s from the 8 team tournaments of the stone ages. The "Final Four" was first referenced in 1975.

:facepalm

 

[Tundrasooner]

How many games has OU had free admission for anyone?
How many has Osu?...

 

[skyvue]

It's stunning that any aggie would still cite the fan support. Since Sutton's departure, theirs has been nothing but average -- even in seasons that saw them tourney-bound. It was that way before his arrival, too. So apparently, many of the people who made their way to Stillwater for basketball games were not oswho supporters but Eddie Sutton fans.

 

[Tony]

In their history, they've won just one NCAA tourney game with someone other than Henry Iba or Eddie Sutton at the helm. They've played just three such games.

That is crazy.

 

[schoonerdriver]

OU avg. attendance at the peak of their popularity (Blake Griffin years)
2008-09: 11,490

OSU avg. attendance for their worst year in 30 years
2011-12:10,447


BTW, OU got 8K fans to come to their games this year.

That was with reimbursing student tickets...


Stillwater is an hour drive from Tulsa or OKC.
Norman is next door to OKC where a majority of their alumni live.

Enough of this. This is seats sold not attendance. OU didn't have 8000 at 1 game this year just as OSU didn't have 10000 at any game this year (even the game where they had free attendance. Was it Virgina Tech?)

 

[HoHum]

Enough of this. This is seats sold not attendance. OU didn't have 8000 at 1 game this year just as OSU didn't have 10000 at any game this year (even the game where they had free attendance. Was it Virgina Tech?)

They had 12,000 at VT, at least. I didn't see an empty seat in the place. Not that is all that impressive, but the two free games (OU a few years back, because of the weather and VT) they've been capacity, or at least very close.

I may be mis-remembering the VT game, but I know for sure at the OU game. Because it was one of the few sell-out crowds I've been apart of the last 4 years.

 

[AdaSooner]

Does anyone actually know anything about Clark?

Clark got lost in the OU-OSU stats debate. He's a distant memory now. :ez-roll:

 

[Soonerborn03]

Clark got lost in the OU-OSU stats debate. He's a distant memory now. :ez-roll:

Right.

I thought you brought up any interesting question, and I'd love someone that actually knows some new information to jump in and let us know.

 

[sdcloud9]

Heard today that Ingersoll will not be coaching Douglas, not sure why but offer was rescinded.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Heard today that Ingersoll will not be coaching Douglas, not sure why but offer was rescinded.

Interesting......

 

[DenverSooner]

College basketball is all about home atmospheres. To say that doesn't matter is just ridiculous. Go ask Duke if their home atmosphere doesn't matter o KU. It matters. And when GIA gets going...it is hard to come out with a win. Even in down years at OSU...there have been some major upsets. See: KU in 2010 or Mizzou this year for recent examples.

OU basketball fans have OU football and the OU athletic dept. to blame for the OU basketball attendance problems. There is no reason that a school that can get 80K fans to come watch a football game shouldn't be able to get 10K fans year in and year out. That still doesn't change the fact that LNC is terrible for bball. It is a great building for events like concerts but it is a terrible arena for college bball.

At best OSU and OU are about the same in terms of their basketball program. I could care less (still) about what you have to say about it. The variability between the programs is small.

It is simply not accurate to say the LNC is bad for bball. In the mid to late 80s the LNC was widely considered one of the best venues for college basketball and so was the old GIA but not to the same level as the LNC. What made both venues great was the fans. I don't care what the actual facility is like, if you pack with loud fans it will be a great environment. The old GIA was tiny but when it was full and the fans were into the game it was just as loud as the LNC.

I tend to agree that the programs are similar. I think the reason you see a lot of OU fans argue about this is the media in OKC and Tulsa acting like OSU is a basketball school or better program when the numbers really don't support such a claim. The numbers show OU is slightly better with the exception of the two championships by OSU in the Iba era.