Joe C is losing a lot of respect on his.....

[stoops4pres]

it doesn't matter if OU-potentials have been taken or not...the pool is finite and that is the point

I disagree. I think the point is that he is getting criticized for not speeding up the process. If there is someone that isn't qualified, why hire him?

If he makes an awful hire then he should be criticized. He deserves criticism for hiring Capel. But being fastidious and taking into account all the variables that go into who he wants doesn't deserve any criticism. In fact, I think its ridiculous to do so otherwise.

And do you know for a fact that Joe C. didn't know who he wanted before he fired Capel? Perhaps he had Buzz in mind when he relieved Capel of his duties...

 

[stoops4pres]

2) So what would you prefer Joe C. to do? Be like Mizzou and humiliate the university? Be hasty and make a bad decision instead of being methodical?


I don't see how Mizzou was humiliated. The AD identified the best prospect, wasted no time and made an offer to the coach he felt was the best replacement. Now he has moved on to their next choice.

Now we are reading tweets, in day 15 of the coaching search, from the media saying coach X has no interest in the University of Oklahoma coaching position.

The later seems worse to me.

You seriously believe that OU looks worse than Missouri right now when it comes to the coaching search?

If you think getting embarrassed isn't as bad as keeping things close to the vest and not getting embarrassed, then I'll just agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Hell yes we look worse -- but that doesn't mean we should change what we are doing. IF we get the RIGHT guy all of this craziness will be forgotten.

Until he screws up.

 

[Big Old Booger]

You seriously believe that OU looks worse than Missouri right now when it comes to the coaching search?

If you think getting embarrassed isn't as bad as keeping things close to the vest and not getting embarrassed, then I'll just agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.

I think the fact it appears 4 candidates have turned us down looks pretty bad compared to Mizzou who went after a big time coach and just missed.

5 years ago, I heard about Turgeon saying "no thanks", and later we heard about Auriemma, and Jay Wright, and whoever else was approached by the 3rd party. However, anybody within the AD, chewy included, is adamant only 1 other coach was offered the job before Capel. No telling how many told the search firm "no thanks" besides the ones mentioned above.

So if we finally interview somebody and make a formal offer and they accept then we can save face by saying X coach was the only one offered the job and he accepted it. However, all these other coaches are telling press people around them that "OU called and I said no thanks".

I'm not sure which way is best in the end. Maybe Mizzou is doing it right by being open and upfront about it while it appears we are offering the position to anybody who can dribble a basketball.

 

[colston15]

I think the fact it appears 4 candidates have turned us down looks pretty bad compared to Mizzou who went after a big time coach and just missed.

Appears to who? Who cares? Can we please hire a coach before we draw conclusions?

 

[StatGeek]

Appears to who? Who cares? Can we please hire a coach before we draw conclusions?

Agree100%, looks bad to who? And why should anyone give a rip? Whats going to happen; we hire a coach, he goes out on a recruiting trip and the recruit says "sorry coach, I like what the university has to offer but I heard Kruger wasn't interested in the OU job when it was open, so I'm going to pass".

 

[tycat947]

Appears to who? Who cares? Can we please hire a coach before we draw conclusions?

That would be too easy! Beats anything I've ever seen although when Joe was looking for a men's basketball and football coach before, we had the same paranoia on all the boards and talk shows then! Sad that people don't have anything else to think about!

 

[stoops4pres]

I think the fact it appears 4 candidates have turned us down looks pretty bad compared to Mizzou who went after a big time coach and just missed.

What 4 candidates have for certain turned OU down?

So if we finally interview somebody and make a formal offer and they accept then we can save face by saying X coach was the only one offered the job and he accepted it. However, all these other coaches are telling press people around them that "OU called and I said no thanks".

To me, I take coaches' alleged statements with a grain of salt. No telling what their motive is, and if it even actually happened.

I'm not sure which way is best in the end. Maybe Mizzou is doing it right by being open and upfront about it while it appears we are offering the position to anybody who can dribble a basketball.

Until these supposed rejected offers are confirmed, I'm going to stick with my opinion that Mizzou looks worse than OU does right now. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Big Old Booger]

What 4 candidates have for certain turned OU down?



To me, I take coaches' alleged statements with a grain of salt. No telling what their motive is, and if it even actually happened.



Until these supposed rejected offers are confirmed, I'm going to stick with my opinion that Mizzou looks worse than OU does right now. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things.

Williams, Pastner, Rose, Kruger

Now, not all 4 "turned OU down". It's all semantics because none of the 4 were interviewed. This is how OU can get away with saying, we only interviewed 2 people. I know for a fact somebody representing OU contacted Turgeon in 2006 and he said "no thanks".

So, maybe "turned down" is a strong word, but you have to admit when a beat writer is tweeting or writing a newspaper/web story about the coach for the program he follows contacting him to say "Oklahoma called and I said no thanks", that does not look good.

And, I think it does matter to prospective coaches. At some point, a coach will be contacted and he will probably not be very interested simply because he is now 5th or 6th choice.

Just my opinion...maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Tony]

And, I think it does matter to prospective coaches. At some point, a coach will be contacted and he will probably not be very interested simply because he is now 5th or 6th choice.
.

Well, screw them, then. That would be a moronic reason to turn down a job at Oklahoma.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Well, screw them, then. That would be a moronic reason to turn down a job at Oklahoma.

Maybe so.

 

[stoops4pres]

Williams, Pastner, Rose, Kruger

Now, not all 4 "turned OU down". It's all semantics because none of the 4 were interviewed. This is how OU can get away with saying, we only interviewed 2 people. I know for a fact somebody representing OU contacted Turgeon in 2006 and he said "no thanks".

So, maybe "turned down" is a strong word, but you have to admit when a beat writer is tweeting or writing a newspaper/web story about the coach for the program he follows contacting him to say "Oklahoma called and I said no thanks", that does not look good.

And, I think it does matter to prospective coaches. At some point, a coach will be contacted and he will probably not be very interested simply because he is now 5th or 6th choice.

Just my opinion...maybe I'm wrong.

I understand what you are saying. Its just hard for me to give credence to a "he said/she said" situation.

I don't know if it necessarily looks bad to prospective coaches even if the situation is lacking authenticity. I guess we will find out whenever the coaching hire is made.

 

[MsProudSooner]

One thing coaches and their agents love to do is say that so-and-so declined to interview, or so-and-so withdrew their name or so-and-so isn't interested. It makes them look like they were wanted even if the school wasn't interested at all.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Williams, Pastner, Rose, Kruger

Now, not all 4 "turned OU down". It's all semantics because none of the 4 were interviewed. This is how OU can get away with saying, we only interviewed 2 people. I know for a fact somebody representing OU contacted Turgeon in 2006 and he said "no thanks".

You have no proof of this. its all speculation.

 

[Sooner Cal]

OU is a football school. The OU basketball coach job is not one of the 25 best.

When we have an Alvin Adams, Waymon Tisdale, Mookie Blaylock, or Blake Griffin (about 1 a decade) we're pretty good. That's about all we can expect.

I'm not so sure that we should have fired Capel. As it stands, the next two years are bleak at best. It will take a miracle to turn it around even in 2 years.

 

[soonerfaithful]

I'd rather have Joe C. take a while finding a new coach then just taking anyone.
There is no comparison to the coach search from Capel and now.

Capel knew what he was getting. He knew he'd have a pretty good team. Plus there was the possibilty of Blake. That would be a big lure for almost anyone.

Look what we have done the past two years. Look what we have now and what's coming in. Whoever takes the job right now is going to be working his tail off the next few years.
I wouldn't be so quick to leave a school I was making good money at to come here even if the money were good.

 

[ou4ever]

Doesn't Joe C realize that his highest priority is to keep this message board informed of his activities and, when he has a decision to make, submit it as a poll query for all the message board posters to vote on? The job could be a lot easier if he would just get his priorities straightened out.

 

[colston15]

OU is a football school. The OU basketball coach job is not one of the 25 best.

When we have an Alvin Adams, Waymon Tisdale, Mookie Blaylock, or Blake Griffin (about 1 a decade) we're pretty good. That's about all we can expect.

This is what happens when you use drugs, kids.

 

[stoops4pres]

This is what happens when you use drugs, kids.

Co-sign.

 

[bradmurray147]

SoonerCal, obviously you haven't watched OU basketball ever in the last 40 years. When Espn rated OU the 12th most prestigious basketball program, we had an NCAA record 25 consecutive post season appearances, played for a national title and been in 5 elite 8's, numerous sweet 16's and 2 final 4's. 2nd most tourney wins without a title in college basketball. SoonerCal, you're clueless.