Marcus smart just hit a fan!

So if osu goes 4-4 the rest of the way.....wins over Baylor (no gimme w/o Smart), TT, TCU, and KSU.....losses to UT, OU, KU, and ISU.....and ends the season 8-10 in the Big 12, what do their NCAA Tourney hopes look like?
 
I think id rather play OSU w Smart and their entire team out of whack than how we will now. Chances are they'll lose in Austin. But then we'll get a back against the wall team in stillwater next weekend. Brown and Nash can dominate a game, and Forte, who can shoot the lights out up there, will get more minutes. I think this is a danger danger danger game for OU.
 
WTSooner said:
So if osu goes 4-4 the rest of the way.....wins over Baylor (no gimme w/o Smart), TT, TCU, and KSU.....losses to UT, OU, KU, and ISU.....and ends the season 8-10 in the Big 12, what do their NCAA Tourney hopes look like?
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Bleak.
 
AdaSooner said:
ESPN reported last night that the official who called the technical claims he didn't hear what Orr said due to the crowd noise. I was hoping one of the officials or an unbiased party heard it, because no one will believe the Tech fans sitting nearby, nor should they.
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Look at the guy in the blue and white shirt that helps Marcus up. I assume he is a journalist or photographer so it is likely he is unbiased. If what was said was so derogatory towards Marcus, wouldn't he have at least looked back? He doesn't even flinch. He helps Marcus up and turns to face the court.

We will never know what was exactly said. Not sure its even all that relevant. Once you lay hands on someone in an unwanted fashion, all bets are off.
 
Max Power said:
Orr claims he called smart a piece of crap
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More believable to me.

Judging from how Ford has worded a few things in the press conference, and even how Smart did, I think Smart lied initially about what what Orr said. I think Smart knew he was in BIG trouble right off the bat, and he's a smart enough guy to know he needed a better "reason" to push the guy than "piece of crap."

I don't think Smart is a thug, or a punk. Others here may disagree. I think he's a pretty good kid. He needs to learn how to act on the court, that is for certain. His competitive side, and dealing with adversity (team and personally not playing well), has certainly gotten the best of him. I'm not particularly enamored with his skill set, but I don't think he is a bad kid. I've seen bad kids. Smart hasn't ever had a history of ANY issues off the court. I think the 3 games is probably fair, especially since he probably lied initially about what Orr said.
 
WTSooner said:
More believable to me.

Judging from how Ford has worded a few things in the press conference, and even how Smart did, I think Smart lied initially about what what Orr said. I think Smart knew he was in BIG trouble right off the bat, and he's a smart enough guy to know he needed a better "reason" to push the guy than "piece of crap."

I don't think Smart is a thug, or a punk. Others here may disagree. I think he's a pretty good kid. He needs to learn how to act on the court, that is for certain. His competitive side, and dealing with adversity (team and personally not playing well), has certainly gotten the best of him. I'm not particularly enamored with his skill set, but I don't think he is a bad kid. I've seen bad kids. Smart hasn't ever had a history of ANY issues off the court. I think the 3 games is probably fair, especially since he probably lied initially about what Orr said.
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I wouldn't be surprised is he said a different although similar word, one that starts with a s
 
For Smart, it really doesn't matter that he was provoked. I doubt that any potential provocation will be considered in his punishment. He did commit an act of physical assault when he shoved the fan. It is as simple as that.

Now, as to the fan. There is such a thing as verbal harassment. This doesn't appear to be a case of libel. But, he did say something to Smart. We don't know whether or not it was racially relevant. We don't really know if what he said would constitute verbal harassment. Unless someone can be a witness to what is said, we may never know.

There is a potential problem that he does face. Verbal harassment is considered more serious if there are prior incidents. ESPN has shown him harassing A&M players. Would that be considered a prior incident?

It also reflects on the university, and the university is charged with upholding community standards. They can expel a student or dismiss a fan from the stadium on the basis of behavior. Whether the fan or student takes it to court, and what the court would do with such a charge is up to the court.
 
Is Robert Allen there?? Some of those questions are pretty weak......:facepalm
 
After watching the video multiple times, and paying special attention to the fans around the area, I find it VERY hard to believe the fan used any racial slurs.

Obviously he said something to Smart, but the reactions of everyone around make me believe it was a usual juvenile taunt, and Smart being high strung, upset, and aware they were about to lose ANOTHER game lost it for a brief moment.

There was even a woman near the fan who appeared to be biracial, and I believe she was close enough to hear what was said. She never blinked when the fan said something to Smart, she only reacted after Smart shoved the guy.

WT made a great point. With the attention shown the use of the N-word, myself being black, I know several black people who have done stupid things, then used the N-word excuse to try and justify it....

Of course I could be 100% wrong here, but I find it hard to believe the guy used a racial slur.
 
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WTSooner said:
You can here "piece of crap" loud and clear.

Nice jumping to conclusions all of you that thought crap was s***, and those that thought he probably used a racial slur.

I bet Smart gets less than three games if he is honest about what was said.
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OK calm down chief, it is very easy to assume a grown man would say s*** insted of crap and an official release would be edited to reflect a less vulgar word
 
I still don't condone calling the kid a name at all, but "piece of crap" is pretty innocuous compared to the whole "racist statement" we were led to believe.

Orr sanctioned himself much too harshly in my opinion and Smart was not sanctioned enough.
 
So Smart is a liar too, figures. Sure didn't take long for him to play the race card did it? It's also sad how many people on this board and in our society in general that wanted it to be a racial slur. I could literally cut the disappointment with a knife when it was confirmed race wasn't involved, at all. All the race-baiters sorely disappointed. Pretty sick society we live in...
 
coolm said:
I still don't condone calling the kid a name at all, but "piece of crap" is pretty innocuous compared to the whole "racist statement" we were led to believe.

Orr sanctioned himself much too harshly in my opinion and Smart was not sanctioned enough.
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I am not sure if anyone here knows the Orr guy. I hope I would sanction myself if I called someone a "piece of crap".

"Flopper" is an entirely different matter. :D
 
when you see that "Tech #1 fan" video Orr doesn't seem like some redneck racist - but I figured his appearance could be deceiving so I didn't buy it when he said "I called him a piece of crap".

However, the video makes it pretty clear that this is exactly what he said. It makes me even more disappointed in Smart.
 
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