Memphis targeting Tubby Smith

[NickZepp]

Yep chuckb nailed it. As the system is set up players will get screwed if we go to a player gets paid format because they will be restricted in what they can earn overall even more. Also I'm pretty sure in a free market environment a lot fewer players would really be going to college in any sport. Because college doesn't always make sense.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Most of these arguments about money in collegiate athletics seem to pretend that collegiate athletics isn't already a multi-billion dollar business already. People have a problem with the athletes who earn the money receiving any of it but have no problem with the coaches, the university athletic departments, the NCAA, the conferences, and ESPN getting their millions.

There would be no money for any of those people or institutions without the contribution the athletes make to the game. But, for some reason, so many find it objectionable for the athletes to see any of it. Often the justification is that allowing them to get some of the money they earn would "taint" collegiate athletics. It shouldn't be about money. That's denial. It's already about money.

If we're really going to argue free markets vs regulatory interference, we need to recognize that, if we really care about free markets, the NCAA would remove restrictions on players' ability to earn and let them earn what they can. If you don't want to do that, that's fine, but let's not pretend that the NCAA, as it functions now, acts in a manner consistent with capitalist free market principles. It's quite the opposite.

:facepalm

 

[sperry]

They don't have a job..... it's college

If they wanna job they are free to do that or go play overseas..

Your poor bleeding heart

This boggles my mind. You're a bleeding heart because you think they should be able to ask for their market wage?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

This boggles my mind. You're a bleeding heart because you think they should be able to ask for their market wage?

No, you're a bleeding heart when you demand for more pay when what you are doing is completely volunteering and nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

If you don't like not getting "fair market share" go to a place where you can (nba, oversees, etc).

Stop trying to turn collegiate athletics into professional sports. Yes, we know that schools and the NCAA make a lot of money off of the athletes. So what? If the athletes don't like it they can go somewhere else.

Man, the things americans ***** about. Next thing you know, we will be complaining about bathroom equality....oh wait

 

[sperry]

No, you're a bleeding heart when you demand for more pay when what you are doing is completely volunteering and nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

If you don't like not getting "fair market share" go to a place where you can (nba, oversees, etc).

Stop trying to turn collegiate athletics into professional sports. Yes, we know that schools and the NCAA make a lot of money off of the athletes. So what? If the athletes don't like it they can go somewhere else.

Man, the things americans ***** about. Next thing you know, we will be complaining about bathroom equality....oh wait

It's not a volunteer position, it's something you have to do (unless you want to leave the damn country) to pursue the vocation of professional basketball. It's comical that people think that slapping the word "volunteer" on it changes the reality of the situation.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It's not a volunteer position, it's something you have to do (unless you want to leave the damn country) to pursue the vocation of professional basketball. It's comical that people think that slapping the word "volunteer" on it changes the reality of the situation.

Nope. Try again

 

[sperry]

Nope. Try again

Any time I'm on the opposite side of an argument from you I can feel very confident that I'm on the correct side, so I'll bow out of this one at that.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Any time I'm on the opposite side of an argument from you I can feel very confident that I'm on the correct side, so I'll bow out of this one at that.

Go back and read your quote

"it's something you have to do to pursue the vocation of professional basketball"

1. this isn't accurate
2. You want to in essence, turn college ball into pro ball by paying athletes their fair market share. So what is the point of even having college athletics?
3. If there is a high enough demand of players that want their fair market share, they need to get together and start their own league. Again, nobody is forcing them into college. Nobody is telling them lies about what college ball is. They all know that it makes the schools and NCAA money and that they will get free room and board,etc and an education.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Any time I'm on the opposite side of an argument from you I can feel very confident that I'm on the correct side, so I'll bow out of this one at that.

Well there is an exception for everything.. particularily in this case.

Playing players will ruin college sports forever.. it will probably happen eventually because this country is getting soft.. and once the proponents use their trump card (race) to mobilize their efforts, it will be over

 

[chuckb]

No, you're a bleeding heart when you demand for more pay when what you are doing is completely volunteering and nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.

If you don't like not getting "fair market share" go to a place where you can (nba, oversees, etc).

Stop trying to turn collegiate athletics into professional sports. Yes, we know that schools and the NCAA make a lot of money off of the athletes. So what? If the athletes don't like it they can go somewhere else.

Man, the things americans ***** about. Next thing you know, we will be complaining about bathroom equality....oh wait

See, this is denial. College sports are already professional sports for everyone except the athlete. They subsidize everyone else.

And you're missing the point when you call them "volunteers. " They're only "volunteers" because they're forced to be by the NCAA. Why does your employer pay you when you're volunteering to do work for him/her that provides them with income? No one's forcing you to do it. The answer, of course, is that the work that you do provides an income for your employer and you deserve to be compensated for it. How much is, obviously, determined by a free market for your services. But no one prevents you from earning what you deserve and then calls you a "volunteer." No one then tells you to leave the country if you want to (gasp!) get compensated for the money you provide your employer.

 

[chuckb]

Well there is an exception for everything.. particularily in this case.

Playing players will ruin college sports forever.. it will probably happen eventually because this country is getting soft.. and once the proponents use their trump card (race) to mobilize their efforts, it will be over

Hilarious how allowing adults to earn money in a free market is America "getting soft" and allowing governing institutions to keep all the money generated by exceptional performers providing a service for paying customers is the ideal.

 

[sperry]

See, this is denial. College sports are already professional sports for everyone except the athlete. They subsidize everyone else.

And you're missing the point when you call them "volunteers. " They're only "volunteers" because they're forced to be by the NCAA. Why does your employer pay you when you're volunteering to do work for him/her that provides them with income? No one's forcing you to do it. The answer, of course, is that the work that you do provides an income for your employer and you deserve to be compensated for it. How much is, obviously, determined by a free market for your services. But no one prevents you from earning what you deserve and then calls you a "volunteer." No one then tells you to leave the country if you want to (gasp!) get compensated for the money you provide your employer.

Exactly.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

See, this is denial. College sports are already professional sports for everyone except the athlete. They subsidize everyone else.

well that is kind of the point. Thanks

Why does your employer pay you when you're volunteering to do work for him/her that provides them with income? No one's forcing you to do it. The answer, of course, is that the work that you do provides an income for your employer and you deserve to be compensated for it. How much is, obviously, determined by a free market for your services. But no one prevents you from earning what you deserve and then calls you a "volunteer." No one then tells you to leave the country if you want to (gasp!) get compensated for the money you provide your employer.

lol. If i'm not happy with my employer. I can leave and find another job. Just like college athletes. IF they don't like the NCAA, they can leave and do something else. There are other options. Nobody is forcing them to go to college.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

oh and btw, a lot of people in the open market are not compensated for the money they truly bring into the company. I might directly save my company thousands of dollars, but that savings isn't passed on to me. I agreed to the terms of employment and my pay when i signed on. Just like college athletes agreed to follow the NCAA terms. They are free to go somewhere else just like I am if I don't feel that I am being treated fairly.

Maybe go and read Matthew 20:1-16 for some perspective

 

[scrybe]

And if college players want to earn money for playing basketball, they can always go to Kentucky.

 

[SilliSooner]

It's not a volunteer position, it's something you have to do (unless you want to leave the damn country) to pursue the vocation of professional basketball. It's comical that people think that slapping the word "volunteer" on it changes the reality of the situation.

About 10,000 students (men and women) play basketball at the Division 1 college level. Very few will go on to be professionals either in the NBA or foreign. Fewer than 40 college players make it onto the NBA each year.

So let's back it up. The players are exchanging their physical services for the privilege of attending college and getting a full ride to do so. If you wanted to attend Stanford or Duke and paid for all your schooling, your rooms, books, insurance, laundry, and car allowance you'd have to earn $ 95,000 before taxes just to break even.

That's not bad pay in exchange for something most of these kids love doing.

I don't think the players should be paid just because the school may or may not be making money. They are getting an extremely good deal in an exchange system. Now, if their likenesses are being exploited in a video game they should get paid after they graduate. Just so long as the schools didn't use or abuse the video games monies as a recruiting come on.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Hilarious how allowing adults to earn money in a free market is America "getting soft" and allowing governing institutions to keep all the money generated by exceptional performers providing a service for paying customers is the ideal.

yup.. they are little entertaining monkeys locked up in a cage and only get fed meager amounts of food and water on occasion for good behavior... they get absolutely nothing else as compensation at all... nothing :ez-laugh:

 

[hoopsaustin]

And you're missing the point when you call them "volunteers. " They're only "volunteers" because they're forced to be by the NCAA. Why does your employer pay you when you're volunteering to do work for him/her that provides them with income? No one's forcing you to do it.

yes.. who could forget the story, much like The Matrix, where the NCAA grows kids from birth in little pods and makes them play sports for the NCAA's profit. like an evil corporation acting all corporationy. they have no choice but to play sports. at all. :ez-laugh: