Mulkey. Enjoy!!!

[Sweetest OU Girl]

How much fail can be crammed into one post? A lot, obviously.

Please show me one -- just one -- scrap of evidence which shows that any AAU program has ever been bankrolled by Kim Mulkey. I have followed Mulkey's program at Baylor from the very beginning and I have never even heard of this accusation before.

I indicated that those were unsubstantiated rumors and indicated that in the post. The NCAA looked into all that pretty carefully, and I have no doubt that if they had found any evidence such a thing happened the penalties would have been far more severe. So the only reasonable conclusion is it never happened. The point I was making was that she used the situation - no matter how it happened - to sit and talk with parents more than is within the rules - and it was the NCAA that penalized her for that - not anyone else. The only thought I have about it is that KM should have known the rules and it was unfair to her university to have either not been aware of the rules or known them and just ignored them.

The NCAA has strict rules about when and how a coach can communicate with recruits and their parents. The NCAA said she violated those rules and penalized her for it. None of us try to argue that our earlier men's coach did not break rules related to texting and communicating with recruits that resulted in penalties. He did and was fairly penalized for it, including having that at least a part of the reason he no longer coaches here. Most of us like to think the University just said we don't want that kind of thing going on here. Unbelievably he repeated that foolishness at Indiana. No one that I know of is denying that.

The one thing I have wondered about is exactly how a coach is to relate to a summer league team his/her child is on. I do not know the answer to that but believe the NCAA should make that abundantly clear. perhaps they now have - but I have not heard of it. It is obviously silly to think a coaches' child should be restricted in any way from participating on such teams.

It actually gets more complicated than that. What if a person is a booster of a University and has a child who gets on a summer league team. Is that parent restricted in what he/she can do with respect to the other team members? How about something as simple as letting them ride to games in his car?

Summer league teams create so many potential recruiting problems that I wish they did not exist. But obviously they are quite popular so you can be pretty certain they are not going away.

 

[sybarite]

Let's state if clearly. Kim Mulkey knew that sitting with those parents was against the rules. She used the status of parent to try to skirt the rules. It was still against the rules. The NCAA just didn't have the guts to slap her silly. Let's also make this clear. It is unlikely that any other coach would have elected to circumvent the rules or make the appearance of circumventing the rules. As is Kim Mulkey, she took any perceived advantage that she might get away with, no matter how absurd.

 

[Soonerbay]

Enough of Mulkey and anything Baylor already! It's tough enough to have to continue to watch them at the dance. Let's settle this...

1. Is Broom Hilda Mulkey a great coach of the game? Yes.
2. Does she display great character while coaching? Not all the time...really rides the refs, but it works because she knows how far to go.
3. Has she told her players, "Let me take the heat for riding the refs and stomping my feet and acting like I'm going to tear someone apart. YOU don't do it because I need you to play the game." Yes...she knows just how far to go. I think it's funny when they have to start holding her back when someone has fouled one of her players and they don't get the call. I say, "LET HER GO!" There's a player out there somewhere that will slug her like Griner did...can't remember her name.
4. Does Mulkey knowingly break the NCAA rules? Probably so and so do 99% of WBB coaches, I believe...JMHO.
5. OU WBB just needs to get down to business CONSISTENTLY and recruit to the level of the top competitors and get some coaches with some umph. And quit complaining and making excuses.

The only person I've seen tame Mulkey when she comes up with a crafty something to do is CParis...she shut her up and sat her down when she got away with the so called Hack-A-CP. We just need some players that know how to do that. Win against all odds. And some coaches that can coach and recruit.

 

[True Colors]

I indicated that those were unsubstantiated rumors and indicated that in the post. The NCAA looked into all that pretty carefully, and I have no doubt that if they had found any evidence such a thing happened the penalties would have been far more severe.

Actually, in your earlier post you said that the rumors "may" have been true about Mulkey bankrolling an AAU program.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any evidence at all that the NCAA looked "pretty carefully" at this? That would mean that there must have been at least some evidence against her, right?

Honestly, I do not remember even any rumors -- much less accusations or investigations.

It really seems like you are making up things up out of thin air. Like when you said that Kim "manipulated" the AAU program into taking her daughter(what does that even mean?). Or like when you said that Mulkey signed some DFW Elite players and then their organization disbanded.

http://www.dfwelitebasketball.com

TC

 

[sybarite]

Ah. The worshipers of depravity return.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Actually, in your earlier post you said that the rumors "may" have been true about Mulkey bankrolling an AAU program.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any evidence at all that the NCAA looked "pretty carefully" at this? That would mean that there must have been at least some evidence against her, right?

Honestly, I do not remember even any rumors -- much less accusations or investigations.

I would suggest you go back and read carefully. When it is stated as "Whether or not something is true" that means it is unknown, It is not saying it is true. Or false. Or perhaps true. Or perhaps false.

My point about the NCAA looking "pretty carefully at all of this" was a reference to everything related to her spending extra time with the recruits and their families. None of us were part of the investigation so no one can know about exactly who they talked to, what questions they asked, etc. But as I said earlier, I would expect they looked at all the events they could find before punishing the University. So anything not in the NCAA list of violations either did not happen, or was never part of the accusations, or could not be substantiated. I'm not accusing your team of anything except what the NCAA found. And I do expect they did as thorough an investigation as they could. Do you disagree?

But I guess I don't understand your sentence that they did not carry out any investigation. Why would their have been any penalties if there was no investigation and no accusations?

We often have OU fans who see every investigation as a "they are out to get us" deal. There probably are some politics involved at times, but I expect most penalties are at least partially deserved.

 

[SoonerinNC]

Personally I think that her sitting with recruits parents game after game was an unfair advantage and a bit unethical.

But having said that I respect her ability as a coach. I watched her team closely last night and they get open point blank shots all over the place because they have great spacing on the floor move the ball, move without the ball and relentlessly screen well. They even double screen and their offense gets one open shot after another. If OU had that kind of half court offense to go with their running game they would be very tough.

Johnson gets lots of assists not because she is so much skilled than other point guards, but because she always has open players with easy shots. Not saying she is not a good point guard but the offense makes her more than her athletic ability.

 

[SoonerNorm]

The jealousy on this board is certainly taking its toll on some on this board. I'm afraid some heads might explode! If Kim was losing half of her games, she would not even be mentioned on the board because she would be irrelevant. But, because she is out recruiting us, beats us regularly, and has won a couple of national championships some just can't stand it.

Coach Aston, if you start beating us, the same people will find or make up excuses to come after you too! :ez-laugh:

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Personally I think that her sitting with recruits parents game after game was an unfair advantage and a bit unethical.

But having said that I respect her ability as a coach. I watched her team closely last night and they get open point blank shots all over the place because they have great spacing on the floor move the ball, move without the ball and relentlessly screen well. They even double screen and their offense gets one open shot after another. If OU had that kind of half court offense to go with their running game they would be very tough.

Johnson gets lots of assists not because she is so much skilled than other point guards, but because she always has open players with easy shots. Not saying she is not a good point guard but the offense makes her more than her athletic ability.

I don't know, SNC. Johnson seems like the real deal to me. I think she is actually the key to their success this year. I bet without Johnson, Nina Davis would be scoring several points per game less. Johnson is impressive.

 

[sybarite]

The jealousy on this board is certainly taking its toll on some on this board. I'm afraid some heads might explode! If Kim was losing half of her games, she would not even be mentioned on the board because she would be irrelevant. But, because she is out recruiting us, beats us regularly, and has won a couple of national championships some just can't stand it.

Coach Aston, if you start beating us, the same people will find or make up excuses to come after you too! :ez-laugh:

Isn't it funny that people don't resent someone who has a lot more championships?

 

[MsProudSooner]

The jealousy on this board is certainly taking its toll on some on this board. I'm afraid some heads might explode! If Kim was losing half of her games, she would not even be mentioned on the board because she would be irrelevant. But, because she is out recruiting us, beats us regularly, and has won a couple of national championships some just can't stand it.

Coach Aston, if you start beating us, the same people will find or make up excuses to come after you too! :ez-laugh:

A couple of points:

1) The only reason Kim is ever mentioned on this board is because of the outrageously classless stunts she pulls. If she behaved normally, she wouldn't be a topic of discussion.

2) I think you are getting your emotions confused. Geno might inspire jealousy. Pat Summit might inspire jealousy. Muffett McGraw might inspire jealously. Kim inspires a combination of pity and disgust.

3) Coach Aston seems to understand the basic rules of decency and decorum for coaches, so I think she's safe.

 

[sybarite]

A couple of points:

1) The only reason Kim is ever mentioned on this board is because of the outrageously classless stunts she pulls. If she behaved normally, she wouldn't be a topic of discussion.

2) I think you are getting your emotions confused. Geno might inspire jealousy. Pat Summit might inspire jealousy. Muffett McGraw might inspire jealously. Kim inspires a combination of pity and disgust.

3) Coach Aston seems to understand the basic rules of decency and decorum for coaches, so I think she's safe.

Well-stated. Would it not also be accurate to state that the only reason that she is mentioned on this board is that her minions keep bringing her up?

 

[True Colors]

I would suggest you go back and read carefully. When it is stated as "Whether or not something is true" that means it is unknown, It is not saying it is true. Or false. Or perhaps true. Or perhaps false.

My point about the NCAA looking "pretty carefully at all of this" was a reference to everything related to her spending extra time with the recruits and their families. None of us were part of the investigation so no one can know about exactly who they talked to, what questions they asked, etc. But as I said earlier, I would expect they looked at all the events they could find before punishing the University. So anything not in the NCAA list of violations either did not happen, or was never part of the accusations, or could not be substantiated. I'm not accusing your team of anything except what the NCAA found. And I do expect they did as thorough an investigation as they could. Do you disagree?

But I guess I don't understand your sentence that they did not carry out any investigation. Why would their have been any penalties if there was no investigation and no accusations?

We often have OU fans who see every investigation as a "they are out to get us" deal. There probably are some politics involved at times, but I expect most penalties are at least partially deserved.

Was there an investigation? Yes.

Was there an investigation into Mulkey bankrolling an AAU program? No.

Pretty simple distinction there, I think.

Was there ever any evidence/accusations/investigation of Mulkey bankrolling any AAU program? I never saw anything even remotely of the sort. Not until you brought it up today. Still waiting for you to produce something(anything) to support this wild claim.

TC

 

[sybarite]

Minions return.

 

[35TangoTango]

So, as I now understand, TC now admits that there was cheating, that there was an NCAA Investigation, Baylor and Mulkey were found guilty, and penalties were assessed, including restrictions to Kim's personal recruiting and loss of scholarships (though the penalties amounted to closing the barn door after the horses had been stolen). I remember that TC denied all those things in the past.

 

[True Colors]

Let's state if clearly. Kim Mulkey knew that sitting with those parents was against the rules.

For the millionth time......

There is no NCAA rule against college coaches sitting with the parents of recruits.

Period. End of story.

TC

 

[sybarite]

For the millionth time......

There is no NCAA rule against college coaches sitting with the parents of recruits.

Period. End of story.

TC

There is a rule about the number of contacts with recruits and/or family. Got it?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

You can't spend weekend after weekend with a group of people with your kids playing ball together and not develop some level of friendship and regular communication.

Did she take advantage of that. Probably. But maybe she was just being a mom and interacting with other parents about the team and their daughters play.

You have to use some common sense when discussing this particular point.


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[NMSooner'80]

Common sense ought to include the fact that many OU fans started disliking her due to bad behavior back when OU was beating them most of the time. That time she made the scene over an air-ball three late in the shot clock when the subs were in (the Nyeshia Stevenson "incident" in a big OU win), it was definitely when they weren't beating us.

 

[tycat947]

Common sense ought to include the fact that many OU fans started disliking her due to bad behavior back when OU was beating them most of the time. That time she made the scene over an air-ball three late in the shot clock when the subs were in (the Nyeshia Stevenson "incident" in a big OU win), it was definitely when they weren't beating us.

I sure hope the Irish can shoot an unintentional 3 at the end of the game when they beat Hypocrite U today! Muffett isn't a Sulkey Mulkey fan either. Guess she's mad that Sulkey has beaten her so much! Oh wait! Irish knocked out Hypocrite U last year in the NCAA and going for 2 in a row tonight!