NCAA investigation update

[thebigabd]

I mean, I agree, but Capel was found of no wrongdoing.

 

[thebigabd]

LOL. Grow up? If you were here for the abuse I took at that point from different posters and the PM's I got you would come back and remind some people. Not to mention being told by mod's who I could and couldn't talk to on this board and that if I responded to certain people I'd be banned.

It's actually been more like months since I've posted. This site is full of sunshine pumpers now as opposed to the reasonable posters from the past (most of which are silent on this board).

But I will take your advice and be done with this thread.

Grace speaks the truth, at least in this post.

 

[OUHoops]

A CBS Sportsline writer chimes in:

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/30942797

Think Lon Kruger knew this was part of the deal when he came to Oklahoma?

Think he would have left UNLV a few months ago anyway if he did?

I have to believe he knew what was coming, that officials with the university laid out the forthcoming scenario to him when he was getting ready to ink a contract. Still, Kruger's not going to have a lot to work with in the coming years, as he'll sift through the mess, the erosion, that was left by the Kelvin Sampson and Jeff Capel eras. Both saw major infractions levied against the basketball program.

The latest came Thursday, as the Sooners, according to the Associated Press, asked the NCAA to give it two more years worth of probation, and not only that. The school offered up a docked scholarship, two offiicial visits taken away and 10 in-person recruiting days to be eliminated for 2011-12. There's also a vacation of the 2009-10 season, when OU went 13-18, the year after Blake Griffin left the team. A vapid, meaningless-yet-mandatory action every school has as its go-to now.

Why so much, though? It's because Oklahoma acted badly under Capel -- while it was already on probation the first time, in the aftermath of the Sampson violations.

This peace offering from OU to the NCAA stems from major violations by Oronde Taliaferro, a former assistant under Jeff Capel, who is now an assistant coach with Duke. Taliaferro was forced out in 2010, when Oklahoma began its investigation into the wrongdoings, specifically, illegal phone calls.

"The university and NCAA investigators released a summary report Thursday proposing penalties for the infractions committee to consider. Athletic department spokesman Kenny Mossman said that process should take several weeks and Oklahoma will not comment until the process is resolved," according to the AP's report.

Oklahoma committed major violations while it was on probation. That's huge, folks, even if you don't consider the phone-call rules to be contemporary. And the NCAA, and its president, Mark Emmert, have stated they're going to go hard after the rule-breakers. Harder than in most cases before. Oklahoma's giving up a lot here. The case may not be sexy or get much attention, but since -- as of now -- there's no apparent lying or veiling of facts, this could be a barometer for how serious the NCAA wants to be.

Since those affiliated with the Capel years are now gone (like Pearl and Tennessee's case), if not much else is thrown at Oklahoma, then we'll know what kind of regime Emmert is running. If schools eliminate all vested parties and attached coaches to staffs that commit major violations, will schools largely be off the hook afterward? Oklahoma's verdict will be one of the few in the early going that clues us in.

 

[thebigabd]

Just so I am clear, what does probation mean? Does that mean you can't play in the post-season?

 

[Tony]

So what?

You can believe Jeff Capel or Lon Kruger or Kelvin Sampson is as dirty as can be and it's no bother to me. I don't engage in hagiography of athletes and coaches.

Explain to me why a report that clears someone of wrongdoing "vindicates" the opinion that the person was guilty of something. You can believe that report is *wrong,* but you can't say that it says what it does not.

 

[thebigabd]

So what?

You can believe Jeff Capel or Lon Kruger or Kelvin Sampson is as dirty as can be and it's no bother to me. I don't engage in hagiography of athletes and coaches.

Explain to me why a report that clears someone of wrongdoing "vindicates" the opinion that the person was guilty of something. You can believe that report is *wrong,* but you can't say that it says what it does not.

I was just trying to be funny.

 

[thebigabd]

What does probation mean? Does that mean no post-season?

 

[Tony]

No. It means the penalties will be more severe if we commit more infractions during that time.

 

[BigTime]

ESPNSportsNation

A few hours ago, Oklahoma and the NCAA released the summary disposition report on the investigation into the OU men's basketball program, specifically into alleged violations committed by former assistant coach Oronde Taliaferro. If you're particularly bored at work -- or you're the kind of person that likes sifting through heavily redacted files filled with NCAA jargon and quasi-legalese -- you can read the report itself in PDF form here. But the most important takeaways can be found in the Associated Press's story here:
Oklahoma has asked the NCAA to place its men's basketball program on two more years of probation and vacate all wins from the 2009-10 season for two major rules violations by former assistant coach Oronde Taliaferro. [...] The Sooners also proposed taking away one scholarship, two official visits and 10 in-person recruiting days during the upcoming academic year as penalties for the violations committed while the program was already on probation.

In other words, Oklahoma is in full-on damage-control mode, one of the major steppingstones schools must complete to show the NCAA they mean business before appearing in front of the Committee on Infractions. And these self-penalties are serious. It's not often that you see schools actively espouse the vacation of wins.

But will the NCAA be impressed? Part of me tends to doubt it. The rest of the Sooners' self-penalties are arguably nothing more than half-measures: a scholarship here, a few visits there, some recruiting days here, a few more years of probation there. Had Oklahoma not already been on probation for violations committed under coach Jeff Capel's predecessor, Kelvin Sampson, these might get the job done.

But the probation point seems far more serious than that. The NCAA has a record of being far less lenient with programs that commit violations while already on probation. If Taliaferro indeed helped land former recruit Tiny Gallon a loan from a Florida financial adviser, that's bad enough. If he did so while OU was still on probation, the NCAA could be inclined to argue that the school didn't take its atmosphere of compliance seriously. If you're probation, you have to be squeaky clean.

Now more than ever, the NCAA is interested in sending a message to violators (and to those who criticize its enforcement as inconsistent): We take this stuff seriously. You should too. Given the circumstances, such a message seems appropriate here. Will a postseason ban be the medium?

 

[thebigabd]

If there is a post-season ban, I would feel really bad for Romero Osby. Of course, all the players would suffer, but none more than Romero.

 

[gracefor24]

I certainly hope so. You are making yourself out to look petty and foolish. (Notice how I added the smiley like you do to make up for my cutting remark)

BOK,

There have been so many pumpers around here that it forced me into 3 month posting vacation. (this one is a legit smiley)

Ok, I guess I'm not done since you responded. Did you get mod approval to respond to one of my posts? LOL.

Of course you hope I'm done, you are one of the main reasons this board has taken such a dive. And I find it hilarious that after the fact you end up getting a 3 month ban!! Absolutely comical if you ask me.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Ok, I guess I'm not done since you responded. Did you get mod approval to respond to one of my posts? LOL.

Of course you hope I'm done, you are one of the main reasons this board has taken such a dive. And I find it hilarious that after the fact you end up getting a 3 month ban!! Absolutely comical if you ask me.

Bigtime is one of the reasons this board took off in the first place. GTFO.


BT got banned? For what?

 

[gracefor24]

Bigtime is one of the reasons this board took off in the first place. GTFO.


BT got banned? For what?

Sorry but the board was much better in the old days. Yeah, I said it.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Sorry but the board was much better in the old days. Yeah, I said it.

in the old days? OUhoops hasn't been around that long. And I'm pretty sure BT was here for the beginning.

If you mean the old bball board on OUI, that place was a cluster ****

 

[seniorsooner]

The board has taken a "dive" because it is the off season.

I must've missed Big Time getting banned. I find that really difficult to believe.

When exactly were the "old days" that you speak so fondly of?

 

[gracefor24]

The board has taken a "dive" because it is the off season.

I must've missed Big Time getting banned. I find that really difficult to believe.

When exactly were the "old days" that you speak so fondly of?

I'm talking about the old Lloyd Noble days. And he said in his own post that he got a 3 month vacation (ban) for something.

Most people here don't even remember the old board. I think the high hopes for this board haven't come close to being realized. Sad, really.

 

[OUHoops]

Bigtime is one of the reasons this board took off in the first place. GTFO.


BT got banned? For what?

No, BT has never been banned.

And grace is talking about a situation that happened two years ago when he, BT and Cheno were having personal pissing matches against each other and cluttering up and ruining half of the threads on the board.

So I asked them all to ignore each other and move on or I was going to ban them, because it was obvious they couldn't have a logical discussion on anything without it getting out of hand.

I admit that I've made a lot moderating mistakes on this site over the years. I'm not perfect and took this way more seriously than I should have at the beginning, but I don't regret that one at all.

 

[seniorsooner]

I spent a lot of time on the OU Insider basketball board, and it's certainly nothing to pine for or look back fondly on.

 

[skyvue]

That grace is under the mistaken impression that this board and the LNC board are the same entity is a head-scratcher. I'm not convinced it's really even grace who's been posting of late. Perhaps someone hacked his account.

 

[gracefor24]

That grace is under the mistaken impression that this board and the LNC board are the same entity is a head-scratcher. I'm not convinced it's really even grace who's been posting of late. Perhaps someone hacked his account.

I'm not under any mistaken impression. This board wouldn't exist without the old board. All the posters left there and came here. Things were pretty much the same until there was an influx of young posters who were great fans of OU but extremely insecure in regards to other team's fans. They got in the mods heads about stuff and things really changed. All my opinion of course.

There were a lot of great posters who rarely ever post anymore. thebigabd is a great example of someone who because he saw things rationally and also posted in favor of other schools got killed on this board.