New NCAA Transfer Policy Proposal

[thebigabd]

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...r-proposal-guide-means-coaches-players-saying

 

[WTSooner]

I'm not a fan. In most cases, at least.

But I already see one loophole. It says the transferee can play immediately if not suspended from their current team. I can see situations where a player does something that should result in a suspension, but the coach and player agree on no suspension and a transfer. Helps both. Kid plays immediately at their new school. Coach doesn't have a suspended kid sticking around taking up a scholarship.

College is already starting to look a lot like the pro's. This just adds to it.

 

[thebigabd]

I'm not a fan. In most cases, at least.

But I already see one loophole. It says the transferee can play immediately if not suspended from their current team. I can see situations where a player does something that should result in a suspension, but the coach and player agree on no suspension and a transfer. Helps both. Kid plays immediately at their new school. Coach doesn't have a suspended kid sticking around taking up a scholarship.

College is already starting to look a lot like the pro's. This just adds to it.

Interesting take.

I think the current system opens the door to unfairness. Players get granted waivers for certain reasons to play immediately, while others with the same or similar circumstances get rejected.

On top of that, I don't like restrictions on mobility. The Athletic Director, the coaches, the staff, the trainers, etc can all leave if they feel its best for them. But the player can't? Hard to justify, and that is not a decision that fans should be able to influence. Of course fans don't want their players to leave, but it's not up to us where they play.

Even Saban's logic is faulty... He worries he won't be able to manage a roster because players transferred. That is a selfish concern. Maybe they are transferring because you don't have the degree they want? Maybe they never get to play? Maybe they don't like Nick Saban? Maybe they want a fresh start? Anyway, what makes his logic faulty is that it's just as likely that he will benefit from this ruling as much as he will hurt from it. Sure, players will transfer from Alabama, but players will also transfer to Alabama.

To bring it home, the same thing would apply at OU for basketball. Would some players transfer? Sure. Would other players transfer in? Yes.

When the player is the only one who is forced to stay, the system is not just. When your concern is that you can't manage a roster in these conditions, you aren't thinking of the player, you are thinking of yourself. Plus, people will transfer in as well.

 

[Max Power]

Interesting take.

I think the current system opens the door to unfairness. Players get granted waivers for certain reasons to play immediately, while others with the same or similar circumstances get rejected.

On top of that, I don't like restrictions on mobility. The Athletic Director, the coaches, the staff, the trainers, etc can all leave if they feel its best for them. But the player can't? Hard to justify, and that is not a decision that fans should be able to influence. Of course fans don't want their players to leave, but it's not up to us where they play.

Even Saban's logic is faulty... He worries he won't be able to manage a roster because players transferred. That is a selfish concern. Maybe they are transferring because you don't have the degree they want? Maybe they never get to play? Maybe they don't like Nick Saban? Maybe they want a fresh start? Anyway, what makes his logic faulty is that it's just as likely that he will benefit from this ruling as much as he will hurt from it. Sure, players will transfer from Alabama, but players will also transfer to Alabama.

To bring it home, the same thing would apply at OU for basketball. Would some players transfer? Sure. Would other players transfer in? Yes.

When the player is the only one who is forced to stay, the system is not just. When your concern is that you can't manage a roster in these conditions, you aren't thinking of the player, you are thinking of yourself. Plus, people will transfer in as well.

Not to mention scholarships are 1 year contracts. The coach can say nope not renewing and the player is SOL. But if the coach wants to he can auto renew it even if the player doesn't want to. How is that fair? Sure OU might lose a guy we really like, but do we really want to force a kid to stay here that doesn't want to be here?

 

[BCSooners]

A one year free transfer seems like the way to go as of now. I’d like to see more kids stick it out, but like ABD said the system is so messed up with guys getting waivers for terrible reasons. If the NCAA was consistent then there wouldn’t be a need for this rule.

 

[mict085]

What about transferring within the conference? Player gets mad, transfers to rival and plays against team without any repercussions for the player.

I agree most transfers should be allowed. I think that it’s getting out of control tho. If players are allowed to transfer so easily and within the conference, One bad offseason of 1-2 transfers could decimate a program for 5 years or more. It will make recruiting even more of a crap shoot.

 

[BCSooners]

What about transferring within the conference? Player gets mad, transfers to rival and plays against team without any repercussions for the player.

I agree most transfers should be allowed. I think that it’s getting out of control tho. If players are allowed to transfer so easily and within the conference, One bad offseason of 1-2 transfers could decimate a program for 5 years or more. It will make recruiting even more of a crap shoot.

What’s your solution? I say make everyone sit (except grad transfers) no matter the situation. But if the NCAA won’t do that & keeps allowing waivers then this is the best bet.

 

[mict085]

What’s your solution? I say make everyone sit (except grad transfers) no matter the situation. But if the NCAA won’t do that & keeps allowing waivers then this is the best bet.

As I said, most transfers should be allowed. However, I would be in favor of making them sit out a year if they transfer within the conference. Outside the conference they wouldn’t have to sit out.

 

[BCSooners]

As I said, most transfers should be allowed. However, I would be in favor of making them sit out a year if they transfer within the conference. Outside the conference they wouldn’t have to sit out.

I see you’re point. But to me it’s all or nothing. Either sit out or allow a 1 time deal. What’s the different between conference transfers & an Xavier to Cincinnati transfer? That transfer would be worse than OU to osu.

 

[WaymanFan]

I see you’re point. But to me it’s all or nothing. Either sit out or allow a 1 time deal. What’s the different between conference transfers & an Xavier to Cincinnati transfer? That transfer would be worse than OU to osu.

I honestly do not like the idea of someone transferring to a same-conference school without penalty. That should be automatic. As for Cincinnati and Xavier, I'm guessing they play against each other annually. In that scenario, you can simply add that a player can only transfer to a school without penalty which is not on the schedule the next season of the school they are transferring from. There would still be no shortage of schools they could transfer to...and hardly a strain on the student-athlete.

 

[BoulderSooner]

i don't think this will pass .. .

it would make about 250 basketball programs feeder teams to the top 60

lower ranked player goes to say liberty has a great season so he transfers to duke

(fyi this actually happen with seth curry but he had to sit out a year )

this type of thing will happen all of the time

in football it will be even worse ... great freshman or soph year at KU or isu or osu

OU or texas needs a qb migh as well transfer and get more exposure and win big .

 

[CoachTalk]

i don't think this will pass .. .

it would make about 250 basketball programs feeder teams to the top 60

lower ranked player goes to say liberty has a great season so he transfers to duke

(fyi this actually happen with seth curry but he had to sit out a year )

this type of thing will happen all of the time

in football it will be even worse ... great freshman or soph year at KU or isu or osu

OU or texas needs a qb migh as well transfer and get more exposure and win big .

I agree.

I don’t know the best answer but having to worry about the 10 kids already on team and add the newcomers.... you’d be doing home visits to juniors!

 

[WTSooner]

i don't think this will pass .. .

it would make about 250 basketball programs feeder teams to the top 60

lower ranked player goes to say liberty has a great season so he transfers to duke

(fyi this actually happen with seth curry but he had to sit out a year )

this type of thing will happen all of the time

in football it will be even worse ... great freshman or soph year at KU or isu or osu

OU or texas needs a qb migh as well transfer and get more exposure and win big .

Agreed. And from a football perspective, that much potential roster turnover seems incompatible with the new scholarship limits (per year and per 4 years), even though nobody seems to know EXACTLY how that rule is supposed to work.

I think they just need to keep things how they are, and do a better job of setting out what might qualify for a release, and stick to that. There is already the graduation loophole that allows a free transfer for kids that have graduated. And while it's definitely a loophole, it at least kind of forces them to be in good academic standing.

 

[thebigabd]

What about transferring within the conference? Player gets mad, transfers to rival and plays against team without any repercussions for the player.

Is Lincoln Riley not allowed to be the head coach at Baylor? Can Pooh Williamson leave OU and go work for Kansas State? What about Athletic Directors? Could UT hire Joe C? Of course they can.

Can a normal student transfer from Iowa State to OU? Of course they can.

Again, we can't setup a system where only players have restrictions, of any kind. If Brady Manek transfers to OSU... he does that with his own free will and freedom of mobility. He made a choice that he felt like was best for him, his career, etc. Maybe he wants to play with Cade Cunningham next year, maybe he wants to wear the brightest orange possible because it compliments his mustache? Who cares.

it would make about 250 basketball programs feeder teams to the top 60...lower ranked player goes to say liberty has a great season so he transfers to duke

You aren't taking into account the reverse... OU would be getting players from the lower 250, but the lower 250 would also be getting players from OU who can't play like Hannes Polla, Matt Freeman, Jordan Shepherd, etc. it would go both ways, and benefit both sides of the spectrum.

OU or texas needs a qb migh as well transfer and get more exposure and win big .

This sounds like a good thing to me.

1.) Players have freedom to make choices that are better for themselves, like EVERYONE ELSE associated with the program

2.) Players can go where they are most needed, which helps the team receiving them as well as the player

3.) Players who sign on and find themselves 3rd on the depth chart can look around and say "Hey, I am not seeing the field at OU, but I see Marshall needs an offensive tackle, i will call them"... Now that player, without penalty, can go to Marshall and have his needs met and Marshalls needs met.

I don't understand why freedom of mobility, freedom of choice, etc isn't being respected here. I also don't get why people wouldn't think this would actually benefit schools just as much as it hurts them.

Right now the system clearly favors the coach and the program at the expense of the players... This evens the playing field. In fact, it grants the player the exact same freedom the coach, staff, etc have.

 

[BCSooners]

I honestly do not like the idea of someone transferring to a same-conference school without penalty. That should be automatic. As for Cincinnati and Xavier, I'm guessing they play against each other annually. In that scenario, you can simply add that a player can only transfer to a school without penalty which is not on the schedule the next season of the school they are transferring from. There would still be no shortage of schools they could transfer to...and hardly a strain on the student-athlete.

I don't like exceptions to the rule because that's where the current gray area happens, make it were everyone sits or no one sits. Xavier is in Cincinnati, it might be the most heated non-conference rivalry in the country.

 

[thebigabd]

I don't like exceptions to the rule because that's where the current gray area happens, make it were everyone sits or no one sits. Xavier is in Cincinnati, it might be the most heated non-conference rivalry in the country.

And if your player wants to play for the competition, do you really want him on your team anyway? I doubt you would see many transfers like that.

 

[BCSooners]

And if your player wants to play for the competition, do you really want him on your team anyway? I doubt you would see many transfers like that.

You don't think Austin Reaves would've went to WSU's biggest rival to screw Marshall?

 

[BCSooners]

And if your player wants to play for the competition, do you really want him on your team anyway? I doubt you would see many transfers like that.

Why wouldn't somebody transfer to the same conference? Familiar, location plays a factor, seeing that team up close & liking what they do and how they do it.

 

[thebigabd]

You don't think Austin Reaves would've went to WSU's biggest rival to screw Marshall?

My first point would be that it's none of WVU's business where Reaves wants to play basketball next year.

And the way I understand it, he already screwed Ms. Marshall.

 

[BCSooners]

My first point would be that it's none of WVU's business where Reaves wants to play basketball next year.

And the way I understand it, he already screwed Ms. Marshall.

You said we wouldn't see transfers like that, I think we would.