Next head coach Porter Moser

[WichitaSooner]

basically kelvin sampson.

He had two seasons at OU where he finished worse than 3rd in the conference. The most conference loses he ever had was 8. We played well in the conference tourney. We didn't have a great time in the big dance outside of his ff and e8 appearances.

He was pretty bad in the tournament that matters most, and I would have to check our seeds but sure don’t feel like we were a top four seed more often than not. And we shared one conference title in his 12 years. I think if you combine all the criteria you mention, only a handful if programs nationally would qualify. I want all those things, too, but think Moser will be a success even if he misses two or more of those benchmarks ... much like I feel Kelvin was an unqualified success despite his March record.

 

[thebigabd]

He was pretty bad in the tournament that matters most, and I would have to check our seeds but sure don’t feel like we were a top four seed more often than not. And we shared one conference title in his 12 years. I think if you combine all the criteria you mention, only a handful if programs nationally would qualify. I want all those things, too, but think Moser will be a success even if he misses two or more of those benchmarks ... much like I feel Kelvin was an unqualified success despite his March record.

Sampson was at OU for 12 years.... He finished in the top 4 10 of those times. That is incredible.

He won 20 or more games 10 times. That is incredible.

He won 68% of his conference games at OU... That is incredible.

He won the league tournament 3 years in a row... That is incredible. He had a Big 12 Tournament record of 17-7.

Stop trying to diminish accomplishments to cover up the mediocrity of Kruger.

 

[CoachTalk]

Sampson was at OU for 12 years.... He finished in the top 4 10 of those times. That is incredible.

He won 20 or more games 10 times. That is incredible.

He won 68% of his conference games at OU... That is incredible.

He won the league tournament 3 years in a row... That is incredible. He had a Big 12 Tournament record of 17-7.

Stop trying to diminish accomplishments to cover up the mediocrity of Kruger.

Kruger is gone. Let it go.

 

[thebigabd]

Kruger is gone. Let it go.

I am just countering his weird propaganda.

 

[WaymanFan]

basically kelvin sampson.

He had two seasons at OU where he finished worse than 3rd in the conference. The most conference loses he ever had was 8. We played well in the conference tourney. We didn't have a great time in the big dance outside of his ff and e8 appearances.

Kelvin also had a Sweet 16 run as a #13 seed, the last at-large team in the 1999 NCAA tournament. That said, it is true Kelvin had mediocre results in the NCAA Tournament (operative word "had"). He was still a terrific coach at OU, and he is a finished product now. If he gets a team like he had at OU in 2002 or 2003, Houston WILL cut down the nets.

Fast-forwarding to the modern day, here are my expectations. We're not seeing the Billy Tubbs days of 1984-1990. We're also not finishing in the top 3-4 of the Big XII almost every year like we did when Kelvin was head coach. I do expect to be playing past the first weekend of the Dance every 4-5 years, and make the NCAA tournament 4 out of every 5 years (we've only accomplished that in one decade, '00 - '09). I also expect to be a top-6 seed three out of every four Tourney trips. Finally, every 10-15 years, I also to play in the third weekend...and we're overdue to win it all.

 

[soonertravis]

Sampson was at OU for 12 years.... He finished in the top 4 10 of those times. That is incredible.

He won 20 or more games 10 times. That is incredible.

He won 68% of his conference games at OU... That is incredible.

He won the league tournament 3 years in a row... That is incredible. He had a Big 12 Tournament record of 17-7.

Stop trying to diminish accomplishments to cover up the mediocrity of Kruger.

He also lost in the first round 6 times. He lost 2 more times as a 3 seed in the second round.

He made the sweet sixteen 3 times in 12 years.

And yet, tournament success aside, I think the level he got the program to is a reasonable level to think is appropriate. Take 1985-90 out of the equation and this is what Oklahoma is in basketball. To expect more than that is absurd. Even considering those years this is pretty even. Billy only made the Sweet 16 4 times.

We are not a Top 10 program all-time. We are a Top 25 program all-time. That is good enough to make the NCAA tournament most years, Make a Sweet 16 33%-40% of the time, and compete for conference titles and make deep tournament runs occasionally.

That is what we should expect. Anything less than that and is not good enough. Anything more would be elite.

 

[skyvue]

Sampson was at OU for 12 years.... He finished in the top 4 10 of those times. That is incredible.

He won 20 or more games 10 times. That is incredible.

He won 68% of his conference games at OU... That is incredible.

He won the league tournament 3 years in a row... That is incredible. He had a Big 12 Tournament record of 17-7.

Stop trying to diminish accomplishments to cover up the mediocrity of Kruger.

The Big 12 was not as tough a conference during Sampson's tenure. Here are his year-by-year results against ranked conference opponents in regular-season play:

1995 -- 7, 5-2
1996 -- 3, 0-3
1997 -- 6, 2-4
1998 -- 1, 0-1
1999 -- 2, 1-1
2000 -- 5, 2-3
2001 -- 3, 1-2
2002 -- 5, 3-2
2003 -- 5, 2-3
2004 -- 6, 1-5
2005 -- 5, 4-1
2006 -- 2, 1-1

That's 50 games against ranked conference opponents in 12 seasons (4.2 per), with a 22-28 record (.440). 27% of the conference games Sampson's teams played were against ranked opponents.

Here's how Kruger did during his tenure:

2012 -- 8, 2-6
2013 -- 5, 1-4
2014 -- 7, 4-3
2015 -- 10, 6-4
2016 -- 10, 6-4
2017 -- 8, 1-7
2018 -- 8, 4-4
2019 -- 7, 2-5
2020 -- 7, 3-4
2021 -- 10, 4-6

That's 80 games against ranked conference opponents in 10 seasons (8 per), with a 33-47 record (.413). 45% of the conference games Kruger's teams played were against ranked opponents.

 

[skyvue]

I am just countering his weird propaganda.

Wow.

 

[TINY]

basically kelvin sampson.

He had two seasons at OU where he finished worse than 3rd in the conference. The most conference loses he ever had was 8. We played well in the conference tourney. We didn't have a great time in the big dance outside of his ff and e8 appearances.

Kelvin didn’t meet those expectations that you just rattled off. We finished top 15 probably 5 times under kelvin. As well as he did in conference, he was pretty mediocre out of conference if we are honest. Tubbs would be the only coach to meet those expectations.

 

[TINY]

The Big 12 was not as tough a conference during Sampson's tenure. Here are his year-by-year results against ranked conference opponents in regular-season play:

1995 -- 7, 5-2
1996 -- 3, 0-3
1997 -- 6, 2-4
1998 -- 1, 0-1
1999 -- 2, 1-1
2000 -- 5, 2-3
2001 -- 3, 1-2
2002 -- 5, 3-2
2003 -- 5, 2-3
2004 -- 6, 1-5
2005 -- 5, 4-1
2006 -- 2, 1-1

That's 50 games against ranked conference opponents in 12 seasons (4.2 per), with a 22-28 record (.440). 27% of the conference games Sampson's teams played were against ranked opponents.

Here's how Kruger did during his tenure:

2012 -- 8, 2-6
2013 -- 5, 1-4
2014 -- 7, 4-3
2015 -- 10, 6-4
2016 -- 10, 6-4
2017 -- 8, 1-7
2018 -- 8, 4-4
2019 -- 7, 2-5
2020 -- 7, 3-4
2021 -- 10, 4-6

That's 80 games against ranked conference opponents in 10 seasons (8 per), with a 33-47 record (.413). 45% of the conference games Kruger's teams played were against ranked opponents.

Fantastic post, Sky. Big 12 is another animal these days.

 

[MJSooner]

The Big 12 was not as tough a conference during Sampson's tenure. Here are his year-by-year results against ranked conference opponents in regular-season play:

1995 -- 7, 5-2
1996 -- 3, 0-3
1997 -- 6, 2-4
1998 -- 1, 0-1
1999 -- 2, 1-1
2000 -- 5, 2-3
2001 -- 3, 1-2
2002 -- 5, 3-2
2003 -- 5, 2-3
2004 -- 6, 1-5
2005 -- 5, 4-1
2006 -- 2, 1-1

That's 50 games against ranked conference opponents in 12 seasons (4.2 per), with a 22-28 record (.440). 27% of the conference games Sampson's teams played were against ranked opponents.

Here's how Kruger did during his tenure:

2012 -- 8, 2-6
2013 -- 5, 1-4
2014 -- 7, 4-3
2015 -- 10, 6-4
2016 -- 10, 6-4
2017 -- 8, 1-7
2018 -- 8, 4-4
2019 -- 7, 2-5
2020 -- 7, 3-4
2021 -- 10, 4-6

That's 80 games against ranked conference opponents in 10 seasons (8 per), with a 33-47 record (.413). 45% of the conference games Kruger's teams played were against ranked opponents.

Including only having to play Kansas and Iowa State once a year in those years.

As mentioned, Kelvin lost several years in the tournament as a higher seed. If I recall, that only happened to Lon once and for coaches that coached in more than 2 NCAAs, is only behind Bruce Drake and Billy in winning percentage.

Lon had his faults as did Kelvin and both had their strong suits. But some of the expectations for Moser in the year 2021 and beyond might be unrealistic of a program that is closer to #30 than to #10.

Having expectations of a top #10 program, when we are not, and being disappointed/angry in anything less is a recipe for failure. We should have that as a goal for where we want to be, but cannot demand that is where our coach should be or be deemed mediocre or a failure.

 

[MichaelM]

Fast-forwarding to the modern day, here are my expectations. We're not seeing the Billy Tubbs days of 1984-1990. We're also not finishing in the top 3-4 of the Big XII almost every year like we did when Kelvin was head coach. I do expect to be playing past the first weekend of the Dance every 4-5 years, and make the NCAA tournament 4 out of every 5 years (we've only accomplished that in one decade, '00 - '09). I also expect to be a top-6 seed three out of every four Tourney trips. Finally, every 10-15 years, I also to play in the third weekend...and we're overdue to win it all.

All of this. That is the standard. That is what three of the last four coaches have given us, and the fourth was pretty close for a little while.

 

[NickZepp]

Billy D wants out of nba?

He just resigned long term with the bulls....

In an interview with the Thunder a couple years ago he called the time in Florida winning Champioinships the most depressing time of his life. He's not leaving the NBA back for college.

 

[NickZepp]

The Big 12 was not as tough a conference during Sampson's tenure. Here are his year-by-year results against ranked conference opponents in regular-season play:

1995 -- 7, 5-2
1996 -- 3, 0-3
1997 -- 6, 2-4
1998 -- 1, 0-1
1999 -- 2, 1-1
2000 -- 5, 2-3
2001 -- 3, 1-2
2002 -- 5, 3-2
2003 -- 5, 2-3
2004 -- 6, 1-5
2005 -- 5, 4-1
2006 -- 2, 1-1

That's 50 games against ranked conference opponents in 12 seasons (4.2 per), with a 22-28 record (.440). 27% of the conference games Sampson's teams played were against ranked opponents.

Here's how Kruger did during his tenure:

2012 -- 8, 2-6
2013 -- 5, 1-4
2014 -- 7, 4-3
2015 -- 10, 6-4
2016 -- 10, 6-4
2017 -- 8, 1-7
2018 -- 8, 4-4
2019 -- 7, 2-5
2020 -- 7, 3-4
2021 -- 10, 4-6

That's 80 games against ranked conference opponents in 10 seasons (8 per), with a 33-47 record (.413). 45% of the conference games Kruger's teams played were against ranked opponents.

The Big 12 in around 1998-2004 or so was probably better at top. Kansas was probably better most years than most of the teams we've seen the last decade or so of the conference. In 03 OU, Texas, and Kansas were all 1 seeds.

 

[NickZepp]

KT Turner from Texas is apparently going to be an assistant on the staff

https://twitter.com/BPrzybylo/status/1379135931890941955

 

[soonertravis]

The Big 12 in around 1998-2004 or so was probably better at top. Kansas was probably better most years than most of the teams we've seen the last decade or so of the conference. In 03 OU, Texas, and Kansas were all 1 seeds.

Except A&M and Baylor were trash back then. And that was 4 games we played against them. The league overall demanded fewer games against top teams every year. The Big 12 has been one of the 2-3 best conferences over the last 5 years.

 

[pnkranger]

Except A&M and Baylor were trash back then. And that was 4 games we played against them. The league overall demanded fewer games against top teams every year. The Big 12 has been one of the 2-3 best conferences over the last 5 years.

The big 12 champion just won the national championship. Not sure how the top of the league can be much better.

 

[WTSooner]

Except A&M and Baylor were trash back then. And that was 4 games we played against them. The league overall demanded fewer games against top teams every year. The Big 12 has been one of the 2-3 best conferences over the last 5 years.

True, but OSU was a lot better back then, and I'd argue UT was as well.

Number of games against ranked teams is one stat. Number of Elite 8 and Final 4 appearances is another one. Do the research.

And even if you argue the Big 12 got better and that is why OU doesn't do as well, my question would be why didn't/couldn't OU get better as well?

 

[TINY]

The big 12 champion just won the national championship. Not sure how the top of the league can be much better.

And last year the big12 had the best 2 teams in the country in ku/bu and ou still finished 3rd in the conference.

 

[TINY]

True, but OSU was a lot better back then, and I'd argue UT was as well.

Number of games against ranked teams is one stat. Number of Elite 8 and Final 4 appearances is another one. Do the research.

And even if you argue the Big 12 got better and that is why OU doesn't do as well, my question would be why didn't/couldn't OU get better as well?

And Nebraska would have been the worst team in the conference every year for the past decade. Kstate and Colorado were bad then, too. The conference was a lot easier overall when kelvin coached here. It was a more difficult conference in the 80s, too, when Billy ball was riding high. Kelvin has had the easiest conference slate of the past 40 years or so. Doesn’t change the fact that Kelvin did a tremendous job at ou.