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Exactly. Screw LosuR.
OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.
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Horse hockey! :facepalm
Schools knew that padding their OOC schedule with cupcakes would be frowned upon yet they still padded their OOC schedule with cupcakes.
They knew they needed wins over quality opponents but failed to get them.
Too bad for them. Maybe they will learn their lesson and schedule and play accordingly.
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St marys plays in a poop trash league.They should have never been ranked in the first place..
USC got screwed.
OSU did not get screwed. The fact they are making the argument OU v OSU shows that they are: firstly, dumb because no one was making that the case, secondly, admitting they don't have an independent basis of their actual body of work, otherwise they'd be making that argument.
I love that they were kept out.. so much for Oklahoma's basketball school lol
USC got screwed.
OSU did not get screwed. The fact they are making the argument OU v OSU shows that they are: firstly, dumb because no one was making that the case, secondly, admitting they don't have an independent basis of their actual body of work, otherwise they'd be making that argument.
I love that they were kept out.. so much for Oklahoma's basketball school lol
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well, you can "expect" until the cows come home and you will continue to be disappointed. Conference scheduling is biased so long as the conference does not round robin like the Big-12 does. Thus the OOC games you schedule for yourself will make much more difference. Schedule harder teams and beat them. Thats how you make the ncaa's.
No they weren't. They were seeded correctly based on their resumes. Michigan State has 2 wins over the entire tournament field. How the hell anyone thinks they deserved higher than a 3 is beyond me.
What it seems like talking heads and you want is a system that makes 0 sense 100% of the time. Like, I think Syracuse didn't make sense, especially when compared to USC, but other than that, everything lined up perfectly with how the committee operates. Arguing for a system that is eye test means none of the selections would make sense and would just be argued with "well, eye test told us they are good." I'll take this system 100% of the time over anyone doing it by eye test.
I posted it earlier in the thread. No team in the 80s in the RPI has ever been given an at large bid.
RPI of 88 = no bid
Maybe for USC but not the Cowpokes
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Omaha, Ball State, Portland, UTSA, North Texas, Northwestern State, and Northwestern finished with a combined record 91-130. Lunardi made a comment that OSU really only won 11-12 games... If that's true, did OU only really win 11 games too?
Let's assume OU is judged the same as OSU in that regard (which they absolutely were not)...
Out of OSU's 11 victories, they were:
Kansas
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
West Virginia
Texas
Florida State
Tulsa (didn't make tournament)
Iowa State (didn't make tournament)
Iowa State (didn't make tournament)
Out of OU's 11 victories, they were:
Kansas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State (didn't make tournament)
Baylor (didn't make tournament)
Wichita State
USC (didn't make tournament)
Oregon (didn't make tournament)
Kansas State
Iowa State (didn't make tournament)
TCU
TCU
So of OU's impressive victories, TCU/TCU/Tech/Kansas/Kansas State/Wichita State made the NCAA Tournament.
Of OSU's impressive victories.... Florida State, Texas, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Kansas made the NCAA Tournament.
OSU won 8 games against teams going to the NCAA Tournament. OU won 6.
Did I get that right?
*I may have made a mistake in there... feel free to fact check it.
Conclusion of this analysis.... OSU got screwed.
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St. Marys is a pretty good team. I get that their conference isn't very good outside of Gonzaga, but sometimes I think the eye-ball test should play a role, b/c those schools can't always schedule enough solid OOC games to make up for their conference. This isn't a 10 loss team with a bad record, it's a good team with a good record, and a couple of good wins (they did beat Zaga). They are definitely better than a few teams that got in over them.
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We know you stroke it to TECH, OSU, and JUCOs.. But osu's RPI was in the 80's, again a team has NEVER gotten an at-large at that mark, OU was better in Kenpom too.. what else do you need to see? Lol
Osu isn't even a 1 seed in the NIT :ez-roll:
Osu isn't even a 1 seed in the NIT :ez-roll:
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There were 87 schools with a higher RPI than OSU. There were 56 schools with a higher BPI than OSU. OSU did not get screwed. They need to increase their RPI and BPI next year.
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I think OSU got screwed but only in the sense that I think they had just as much of a right to be in than we do. Just based on quality of each team.
If I'm honest, I don't think either team really deserved to be in this year.
USC definitely got screwed. If you finish in 2nd place in a power 5 conference, you should be in...esp with 23 wins. I don't care about the non conference sch in that case
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We beat TCU twice, so that's six wins. But we also won two neutral site games against teams just outside the tourney -- USC and Oregon. Those two, plus WSU, give us three very good nonconference wins, one of which was on the road and the other two on neutral courts. OSU lost on their home court to WSU -- win that game, and they are likely in. Instead, they ended up with only one truly impressive nonconference win -- FSU.
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It's funny...usually i see people on here blasting RPI...but all of a sudden its the end all be all.
What is the biggest factor of RPI? B/c it seems very odd that OSU is so low in RPI. Atleast it is odd that there is such a gap b/t OU and OSU
What is the biggest factor of RPI? B/c it seems very odd that OSU is so low in RPI. Atleast it is odd that there is such a gap b/t OU and OSU
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I could go along with USC and St. Mary's, but OSU most assuredly did NOT get screwed.
Take a minute to actually go look at their resume. It really would have been historic for the committee to let a team with a ~90 RPI in as an at large. Year after year after year, the committee has sent the same message---don't want to be on the wrong side of the bubble, don't try to pad your win total by scheduling games vs. Mississippi Valley State, Houston Baptist, Texas Rio Grande, etc. In fairness, it does kind of hurt OSU that Pitt turned out to be such a dumpster fire, but that's the risk you run when your schedule is so thin.
Like it or not, the committee has been clear and up front about this for literally years now. The problem with OSU is that people put way too much stock in those one off conference tournament games. That's just not how the committee looks at things, and for good reason.
Take a minute to actually go look at their resume. It really would have been historic for the committee to let a team with a ~90 RPI in as an at large. Year after year after year, the committee has sent the same message---don't want to be on the wrong side of the bubble, don't try to pad your win total by scheduling games vs. Mississippi Valley State, Houston Baptist, Texas Rio Grande, etc. In fairness, it does kind of hurt OSU that Pitt turned out to be such a dumpster fire, but that's the risk you run when your schedule is so thin.
Like it or not, the committee has been clear and up front about this for literally years now. The problem with OSU is that people put way too much stock in those one off conference tournament games. That's just not how the committee looks at things, and for good reason.
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Meh.. not exactly a fair analogy, but if OU played on their league wed be way better every year than 28-5.. 5/10 teams in their league has losing records hah they played 7 games that the opponent was below 100 RPI.. we played 23...
Almost every year Gonzaga should be the only team in.. and they are overrated every single year too
RPI is a simple equation
25% based on your winning %
50% based on your opponents winning %
25% based on your opponents opponents winning %
Once again, Ok State had 4 teams with 300+ RPI on their non conference. OU had 1. Saint Mary's, who plays in a **** conference, had 5 teams with a 300+ RPI on their schedule, and that's because they played a conference foe 3 times who has a 300+ RPI. Ok State scheduled weak, and it came back to bite. They didn't get screwed, they did it to themselves.
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