OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

[sdcloud9]

By the OSU fan criteria, Baylor should have gotten in ahead of them.

They swept OSU, had some quality wins (KU, WVU, OU, TT, etc.) plus had a higher RPI.

That's why you don't compare individual teams to each other, you have to compare a block of teams to each other.

 

[WTSooner]

Meh.. not exactly a fair analogy, but if OU played on their league wed be way better every year than 28-5.. 5/10 teams in their league has losing records hah they played 7 games that the opponent was below 100 RPI.. we played 23...

Almost every year Gonzaga should be the only team in.. and they are overrated every single year too

They went 16-2 in conference play this year. Do you think OU would have done better against the same schedule? I don't.

 

[Zimwillett]

Just to add a little to this discussion, as best as I can tell, the lowest RPI teams to ever get at large bids are:

67 - USC (2011)
64 - Marquette (2011)
63 - NC State (2005), Stanford (2007)

In other words, the committee would have had to throw out years and years of precedent and criteria to make an historic exception for an OSU team with an RPI in the 90ish range because they got "hot" and went 5-5 in their last 10 games.

Again, I can stomach arguments about other teams, but I am utterly sick to death of this OSU belly aching.

 

[WaymanFan]

OK state + Louisville + USC= FBI

I'm having a hard time buying that as a coincidence especially in light of both Arizona and Auburn being seeded lower than they probably should have been.

I would like to know how the Pokes had an RPI of 88. Was their OOC schedule that bad?

As for schools whose bubble burst, I don't feel sorry for any of them. I was on record after the loss to OSU that I wouldn't be upset or whiny if my Sooners didn't get selected. My take was that we would have been excluded based on only winning 2 of our last 11 games. Even though "last 10 games" are no longer part of the criteria, you're dealing with human nature. They see a team with a losing 2018 record and can't help but want to exclude them.

 

[WTSooner]

For whatever reason, people get really short sighted about conversations like this. As has been mentioned, OSU is more than 20 spots worse than the highest RPI to ever make the Tourney. And some of the other arguments I've seen. You can't compare a team this year to teams in past years. You can't say, well, Team A got in last year with a similar resume to Team B this year, who didn't get in. Maybe more teams had better years in the current year? The criteria isn't going to always be the same, b/c the teams being compared are always going to be different.

 

[Zimwillett]

I'm having a hard time buying that as a coincidence especially in light of both Arizona and Auburn being seeded lower than they probably should have been.

I would like to know how the Pokes had an RPI of 88. Was their OOC schedule that bad?

As for schools whose bubble burst, I don't feel sorry for any of them. I was on record after the loss to OSU that I wouldn't be upset or whiny if my Sooners didn't get selected. My take was that we would have been excluded based on only winning 2 of our last 11 games. Even though "last 10 games" are no longer part of the criteria, you're dealing with human nature. They see a team with a losing 2018 record and can't help but want to exclude them.

In a word---yes. Over half their wins were vs. teams below RPI 14. Seven of their wins were vs. RPI 200 or worse. Four were vs. 300 or worse. One of their wins was non D1.

Like it or not, this kind of scheduling will kill you come selection time. It's been that way for years.

 

[WTSooner]

Like it or not, this kind of scheduling will kill you come selection time. It's been that way for years.

As it should. That crap isn't good for the game. Wish they'd do more to make football more like that as well.

 

[NY Soonerfan]

USC
They were 23-11 and finished 2nd in the Pac 10. I agree with their coach completely. They won 11 games away from home, had an RPI of 23, and a SOS of 37. What in the hell happened here?

Their RPI was actually 34. They also went 0-5 against the three best teams in the P12, so they had a lot of hollow wins. Plus, in the unbalanced P12 conference schedule, they only had to play Arizona once (in the regular season) and Arizona State once too, so their wins came against the bottom feeders of the conference. They went 5-0 against Oregon and Utah, which were their highlights, and neither team was close to making the tourney. Furthermore, they were 1-7 against the NCAA field.

USC is one of those teams we see every year that are for some reason high on the RPI, yet have done absolutely nothing to warrant it. As an aside along the same topic, check out Buffalo and ask yourself how in the world they finished 25th? Their ONLY two wins against the top-115 this year were against Toledo (75th). They were 0-5 against the top-50. They also lost to 154, 159 and 241...if you blacked out their name, gave people their resume, and asked them to take a stab at that RPI, I'd bet a beer the average answer would be somewhere around 80.

 

[thebigabd]

RPI clearly doesn't matter, just ask USC.... They are historically the team with the best RPI not to make a tournament. So OSU didn't get in because of their low RPI, and USC didn't get in because of their high RPI?

Something smells here.....

 

[thebigabd]

I'm having a hard time buying that as a coincidence especially in light of both Arizona and Auburn being seeded lower than they probably should have been.

I would like to know how the Pokes had an RPI of 88. Was their OOC schedule that bad?

As for schools whose bubble burst, I don't feel sorry for any of them. I was on record after the loss to OSU that I wouldn't be upset or whiny if my Sooners didn't get selected. My take was that we would have been excluded based on only winning 2 of our last 11 games. Even though "last 10 games" are no longer part of the criteria, you're dealing with human nature. They see a team with a losing 2018 record and can't help but want to exclude them.

OSU played Arkansas, Florida State, Wichita State, Texas A&M, and Tulsa... All fine games, and they played Pitt who ended up being terrible but who would have guessed Pitt would go 0-18 in the Big East? lol.

Their non-conference schedule was fine. Wasn't any worse than OU's.

Both teams played Arkansas and Wichita State...

OU played Oregon (NIT), they played Florida State (NCAA)
OU played USC (NIT), they played Texas A&M (NCAA)
OU played North Texas (CBI), they played Tulsa (no post-season, declined CBI)....

No idea how a 19 win Tulsa team (12-6 in the American) who earned a first round bye in the American Athletic Conference didn't get an NIT bid, by the way.

The rest of the teams they played were equally "cream puffs"... OU played a team that won 4 games, and another who won 5. All the teams listed above in OU's non-con were similar grades of cream puffs than what OSU played.

And, by the way... Bilas, Davis, Barkley, Vitale, and many others think this is a screw job.

 

[152219]

It's funny...usually i see people on here blasting RPI...but all of a sudden its the end all be all.

What is the biggest factor of RPI? B/c it seems very odd that OSU is so low in RPI. Atleast it is odd that there is such a gap b/t OU and OSU

RPI isn't infallible, the same with Kenpom, Sagarin, and the other computer driven rating systems. But, it is well documented that the NCAA committee uses RPI when they are giving out at large bids.

OU is ahead of Okie St in Kenpom and Sagarin as well, so there goes that argument.

 

[NY Soonerfan]

RPI clearly doesn't matter, just ask USC.... They are historically the team with the best RPI not to make a tournament. So OSU didn't get in because of their low RPI, and USC didn't get in because of their high RPI?

Something smells here.....

I'm off the top of my head here, but actually OU once was 25 (i think and didn't make it) and that later got beat by a Valley team, possibly the then SW Mizzou St. at like 23. This year's USC definitely does not have the record.

 

[152219]

OSU played Arkansas, Florida State, Wichita State, Texas A&M, and Tulsa... All fine games, and they played Pitt who ended up being terrible but who would have guessed Pitt would go 0-18 in the Big East? lol.

Their non-conference schedule was fine. Wasn't any worse than OU's.

Both teams played Arkansas and Wichita State...

OU played Oregon (NIT), they played Florida State (NCAA)
OU played USC (NIT), they played Texas A&M (NCAA)

The rest of the teams they played were equally "cream puffs"... OU played a team that won 4 games, and another who won 5. All the teams listed above in OU's non-con were similar grades of cream puffs than what OSU played.

And, by the way... Bilas, Davis, Barkley, Vitale, and many others think this is a screw job.

Okie State's non-conference schedule ranked 290th
OU's non-conference schedule ranked 129th

 

[sperry]

There were some questionable decisions, but OSU was not one of them. They had no business being in. You can't play a terrible non-conference schedule AND go 8-10 in the conference and say you should have been in.

 

[152219]

OU ranked higher than Okie State in RPI, Kenpom, and Sagarin.

Take your whining to the Okie State message boards, bigabd.

 

[WTSooner]

And, by the way... Bilas, Davis, Barkley, Vitale, and many others think this is a screw job.

Barkley.

LMAO

 

[OUSKINS]

OU had a better of body of work and it’s clear. I’d give OSU a slight edge in conf play and OU a massive edge in non con. This shouldn’t even really be a debate. The media blowhards are just all guilty of recency bias. I actually agree that OSU is a better team than OU now; but I also 100% believe OU deserves in over OSU. And for the OSU complainers, frame the argument how they deserve a bid over Baylor?

 

[152219]

OU had a better of body of work and it’s clear. I’d give OSU a slight edge in conf play and OU a massive edge in non con. This shouldn’t even really be a debate. The media blowhards are just all guilty of recency bias. I actually agree that OSU is a better team than OU now; but I also 100% believe OU deserves in over OSU. And for the OSU complainers, frame the argument how they deserve a bid over Baylor?

Baylor swept them so there should be no argument, right?

 

[MsProudSooner]

Courtesy of SoonerTimes.com

 

[tycat947]

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