OSU, USC, and St. Marys got screwed.

[SoonerBounce13]

OSU played Arkansas, Florida State, Wichita State, Texas A&M, and Tulsa... All fine games, and they played Pitt who ended up being terrible but who would have guessed Pitt would go 0-18 in the Big East? lol.

Their non-conference schedule was fine. Wasn't any worse than OU's.

Both teams played Arkansas and Wichita State...

OU played Oregon (NIT), they played Florida State (NCAA)
OU played USC (NIT), they played Texas A&M (NCAA)
OU played North Texas (CBI), they played Tulsa (no post-season, declined CBI)....

No idea how a 19 win Tulsa team (12-6 in the American) who earned a first round bye in the American Athletic Conference didn't get an NIT bid, by the way.

The rest of the teams they played were equally "cream puffs"... OU played a team that won 4 games, and another who won 5. All the teams listed above in OU's non-con were similar grades of cream puffs than what OSU played.

And, by the way... Bilas, Davis, Barkley, Vitale, and many others think this is a screw job.

I agree.
I think OU's non conference is tougher but not by much. especially not by as much as it is made out to be.

And i have no issue with scheduling some weak teams when you play in the best/deepest conference in the country.

OU and osu are pretty close in the BPI.

 

[HoHum]

A 5-5 record over their last 10 would have hardly have made oswho a shoo-in for the tourney. Schedule a quality non-conference slate and get back to us.

At no point did I say OSU deserved to get in or that OU didn't.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

OU ranked higher than Okie State in RPI, Kenpom, and Sagarin.

Take your whining to the Okie State message boards, bigabd.

but not my near as much as the RPI

KenPome: OU 47, OSU 56
Sagarin: OU 36, OSU 47
BPI: OU 42, OSU 58

 

[MsProudSooner]

but not my near as much as the RPI

KenPome: OU 47, OSU 56
Sagarin: OU 36, OSU 47
BPI: OU 42, OSU 58

So? The committee sent a strong message to OSU. Only time will tell if they implement changes in their scheduling philosophy.

 

[SuperHoops]

Aggie conspiracy theorists have alleged that they were penalized by the NCAA for Lamont Evans' arrest.

 

[thebigabd]

Aggie conspiracy theorists have alleged that they were penalized by the NCAA for Lamont Evans' arrest.

That's a national news story, not an Aggie thing.

 

[thebigabd]

I agree.
I think OU's non conference is tougher but not by much. especially not by as much as it is made out to be.

And i have no issue with scheduling some weak teams when you play in the best/deepest conference in the country.

OU and osu are pretty close in the BPI.

I don't see a quality difference between OU and OSU's schedules at all... A couple of OU's supposed big wins came against teams who didn't even make the NCAA tournament. I already ran those numbers and looked at all the awful teams OU played and those facts were ignored completely by the members of this forum.

 

[Max Power]

but not my near as much as the RPI

KenPome: OU 47, OSU 56
Sagarin: OU 36, OSU 47
BPI: OU 42, OSU 58

Still looks higher on all of those

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Still looks higher on all of those

:clap

 

[Zimwillett]

OSU didn't even get a #1 seed in the NIT.

But they got screwed in the NCAA, right? smh

Ding Ding Ding! Correct answer. I'm not sure how many different ways this can be said/proven

You may disagree with the criteria, or whatever, but based on the well-known criteria the NCAA selection committee has applied for decades, OSU probably wasn't even really a "bubble" team in the truest sense of the word. There were at least four, and probably more like 6 or 7 teams in line for bids ahead of OSU. So no...they did not get screwed.

 

[sperry]

I don't see a quality difference between OU and OSU's schedules at all... A couple of OU's supposed big wins came against teams who didn't even make the NCAA tournament. I already ran those numbers and looked at all the awful teams OU played and those facts were ignored completely by the members of this forum.

OSU lost to those teams, aside from FSU. Your "analysis" also conveniently ignored OU's games against Alabama and Northwestern. As usual, you're just ranting about nothing.

 

[TINY]

I don't see a quality difference between OU and OSU's schedules at all... A couple of OU's supposed big wins came against teams who didn't even make the NCAA tournament. I already ran those numbers and looked at all the awful teams OU played and those facts were ignored completely by the members of this forum.

Those numbers were calculated by the selection committee and osu landed in the back end of the host teams in the freaking NiT. Oregon and usc were quality wins, even though they didn’t land in the tournament. The non con comparison isn’t close man.

 

[thebigabd]

OSU lost to those teams, aside from FSU. Your "analysis" also conveniently ignored OU's games against Alabama and Northwestern. As usual, you're just ranting about nothing.

I included OU's huge win against a 14 win Northwestern team.

 

[Boomer!Sooner!]

The committee did really well at not listening to the Media and committing to what they said they would do (look at the entire body of work). I know OU struggled late, but the ended with the same record as Texas in conference play and overall. Why are people not shocked that Texas got in? They are 40th in BPI (OU 42), 33rd in RPI (OU 40) and they had the 2 SOS (OU 3). These are identical rankings.

They only won 2 away games in the big 12 @Iowa State and @OU. We only had one @TCU. Yes, they beat us twice, but that doesn't have to be a deciding factor (we beat KU and home and they got swept, one could do this all day).

Their best NonCon: Butler (tournament) and @Alabama. We have similar, if not better with @Wichita State and USC.

Do I think OSU had a chance, yes. But none of their ranking metrics were close to ours or Texas.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

but not my near as much as the RPI

KenPome: OU 47, OSU 56
Sagarin: OU 36, OSU 47
BPI: OU 42, OSU 58

Σ ... This symbol (called Sigma) means "sum up" ... I love Sigma, it is fun to use, and can do many clever things.

OU 125, OSU 161

That makes OSU about 29% worse according to the combination of those three "metrics" ... if I may be so bold.

The PRO-OSU Cowboy passion by big is very passionate. Very passionate. I'm not sure that I have ever seen any OU fan THAT passionate about OU. On any topic. Impressive, to say the least. The passion.

**************

I am happy for the OU SOONER PLAYERS. They made it to the BIG DANCE. Good luck guys. Boomer Sooner!

 

[sperry]

I included OU's huge win against a 14 win Northwestern team.

No, you actually didn't even mention it. But you were sure to bring up OSU's win against 226th ranked Pitt.

So, OU both played a demonstrably better schedule AND actually won a portion of those games, as compared to OSU who went 1-3 against their decent non-con competition.

 

[soonertravis]

Never understood the concept of a team getting screwed. There are 68 teams in the thing. You can find a criteria to put just about anyone in.

A group is given the task of deciding who gets in. They do it.

Pretty much means that is who deserved it.

I agree with you. And I will go a little further: No team with a losing conference record can complain if they get left out. If you are 19-14, you cannot complain. Not to say you cannot or should not get in, but to complain about it is ridiculous. Instead of complaining, win more games, player a tougher schedule, etc.

 

[stormspencer]

Their RPI was actually 34. They also went 0-5 against the three best teams in the P12, so they had a lot of hollow wins. Plus, in the unbalanced P12 conference schedule, they only had to play Arizona once (in the regular season) and Arizona State once too, so their wins came against the bottom feeders of the conference. They went 5-0 against Oregon and Utah, which were their highlights, and neither team was close to making the tourney. Furthermore, they were 1-7 against the NCAA field.

USC is one of those teams we see every year that are for some reason high on the RPI, yet have done absolutely nothing to warrant it. As an aside along the same topic, check out Buffalo and ask yourself how in the world they finished 25th? Their ONLY two wins against the top-115 this year were against Toledo (75th). They were 0-5 against the top-50. They also lost to 154, 159 and 241...if you blacked out their name, gave people their resume, and asked them to take a stab at that RPI, I'd bet a beer the average answer would be somewhere around 80.

Well said. I was about to post what you mentioned, but you covered pretty much everything with USC. USC's best two wins (from an RPI standpoint) were Middle Tennessee and New Mexico State. As you mentioned, they feasted on the dogs of the Pac-12....and the Pac 12 was the 5th best RPI conference by a decent margin this year. All USC had was their gaudy, but hollow conference record and an inflated RPI based primarily on winning a lot of road games against mediocre to poor competition.

 

[TINY]

Σ ... This symbol (called Sigma) means "sum up" ... I love Sigma, it is fun to use, and can do many clever things.

OU 125, OSU 161

That makes OSU about 29% worse according to the combination of those three "metrics" ... if I may be so bold.

The PRO-OSU Cowboy passion by big is very passionate. Very passionate. I'm not sure that I have ever seen any OU fan THAT passionate about OU. On any topic. Impressive, to say the least. The passion.

**************

I am happy for the OU SOONER PLAYERS. They made it to the BIG DANCE. Good luck guys. Boomer Sooner!

Nm

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Σ ... This symbol (called Sigma) means "sum up" ... I love Sigma, it is fun to use, and can do many clever things.

OU 125, OSU 161

That makes OSU about 29% worse according to the combination of those three "metrics" ... if I may be so bold.

The PRO-OSU Cowboy passion by big is very passionate. Very passionate. I'm not sure that I have ever seen any OU fan THAT passionate about OU. On any topic. Impressive, to say the least. The passion.

**************

I am happy for the OU SOONER PLAYERS. They made it to the BIG DANCE. Good luck guys. Boomer Sooner!

yeah...stats don't work like that.

Stick to basketball:ez-roll: