OSU vs KState

[MsProudSooner]

You can't take your jacket off?

Travis Ford got a T in the first minute of the game. The announcer says he got the tech because she took his jacket off an threw it. He says, "You can't take your jacket off. It's in the rules"

I don't recall ever hearing that before.

 

[AdaSooner]

I don't blame Ford one bit. If I was in his shoes, I would have thrown my shirt and my tie. The foul against Forte was so obvious three blind mice couldn't have missed it.

 

[MsProudSooner]

I don't blame Ford one bit. If I was in his shoes, I would have thrown my shirt and my tie. The foul against Forte was so obvious three blind mice couldn't have missed it.

Yeah, I'm not a Ford fan but he was right. That's a foul 99% of the time.

 

[skyvue]

I don't blame Ford one bit. If I was in his shoes, I would have thrown my shirt and my tie. The foul against Forte was so obvious three blind mice couldn't have missed it.

You're the expert, Ada, but I thought Forte blatantly sought out the contact. I wouldn't have called it either.

But even if it was a bad call, was it worth giving the other team a leg up in the opening minute of the game? I thought Ford got what he deserved for his little hissy fit.

 

[skyvue]

In fact, Ford's behavior was so out of proportion, I wondered if maybe he sensed his team wasn't feeling it, with the early start on the road, and he decided to draw the technical on purpose in order to fire them up.

 

[AdaSooner]

You're the expert, Ada, but I thought Forte blatantly sought out the contact. I wouldn't have called it either.

But even if it was a bad call, was it worth giving the other team a leg up in the opening minute of the game? I thought Ford got what he deserved for his little hissy fit.

You're right, Sky, Forte did initiate the contact, but that call would have gone against the defender 9 out of 10 times. Ford knows that, too, which is why he threw his jacket and got the technical. It was an in the heat of the moment act on his part, but I definitely understood why he responded like that.

Was it a smart thing for him to do? Not in the first minute of the game when there was no indication whatsoever the game was going KSU's way. Then again, little Travi is better known for his childish behavior than the smart moves he makes from the bench.

I still remember the time he cupped his hands to his mouth and booed an official's call. That was classic Travis Ford! Wish I could post a video of what had to be the first time a head coach has been caught on camera booing the officials, but I have never been able to find one.

 

[bgrch1350]

You're right, Sky, Forte did initiate the contact, but that call would have gone against the defender 9 out of 10 times. Ford knows that, too, which is why he threw his jacket and got the technical. It was an in the heat of the moment act on his part, but I definitely understood why he responded like that.

Was it a smart thing for him to do? Not in the first minute of the game when there was no indication whatsoever the game was going KSU's way. Then again, little Travi is better known for his childish behavior than the smart moves he makes from the bench.

I still remember the time he cupped his hands to his mouth and booed an official's call. That was classic Travis Ford! Wish I could post a video of what had to be the first time a head coach has been caught on camera booing the officials, but I have never been able to find one.

Dead on. Wasn't a foul but would be called 9 out of 10 times.

 

[skyvue]

You're right, Sky, Forte did initiate the contact, but that call would have gone against the defender 9 out of 10 times. Ford knows that, too, which is why he threw his jacket and got the technical. It was an in the heat of the moment act on his part, but I definitely understood why he responded like that.

Some factor or other decides the one time out of 10 that it's not called, and I would say it's a matter of degree: Just how obvious was the offensive player in forcing the contact? When it's blatant, as that play was -- Forte's move toward the defender was awkward and overt, not remotely part of a basketball play -- then you're at risk of not getting the call.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Was it our game against OSU where he got free throws on a nearly identical call?

 

[AdaSooner]

Some factor or other decides the one time out of 10 that it's not called, and I would say it's a matter of degree: Just how obvious was the offensive player in forcing the contact? When it's blatant, as that play was -- Forte's move toward the defender was awkward and overt, not remotely part of a basketball play -- then you're at risk of not getting the call.

There is one other factor to consider. When the defender goes for the shot fake and leaves his feet in an effort to block the shot, he forfeits his legal guarding position, which leaves him vulnerable to exactly what Forte did when he initiated the contact.

I would have to watch a replay to be certain that's what happened when Foster jumped into the air. But in the majority of cases that is why those calls usually favor the offensive player. That, and the fact that the player with the ball almost always has an advantage. Doesn't make it right, necessarily, but it's been that way for as long as I can remember.

 

[skyvue]

There is one other factor to consider. When the defender goes for the shot fake and leaves his feet in an effort to block the shot, he forfeits his legal guarding position, which leaves him vulnerable to exactly what Forte did when he initiated the contact.

That's what happened, but again, Forte's move to get the contact was blatantly obvious. He wasn't shooting, he wasn't starting a drive toward the basket, he wasn't making a move to get a more open shot -- he just leaned in awkwardly, shoulder first, to draw the contact. That was clearly his only intention -- as I said above, it was in no way a basketball move -- so I'd have done what the the officials did.

 

[Sooner04]

Dead on. Wasn't a foul but would be called 9 out of 10 times.

You're selling it short. More like 99 out of 100.

 

[bocabull]

Great to see KSU avenge their fluke loss to OSU. The pokes are truly terrible. Minimal talent and the worst coach in the conference. If we lose to these guys it will take a total choke job.

 

[1390]

You're right, Sky, Forte did initiate the contact, but that call would have gone against the defender 9 out of 10 times. Ford knows that, too, which is why he threw his jacket and got the technical. It was an in the heat of the moment act on his part, but I definitely understood why he responded like that.

Was it a smart thing for him to do? Not in the first minute of the game when there was no indication whatsoever the game was going KSU's way. Then again, little Travi is better known for his childish behavior than the smart moves he makes from the bench.

I still remember the time he cupped his hands to his mouth and booed an official's call. That was classic Travis Ford! Wish I could post a video of what had to be the first time a head coach has been caught on camera booing the officials, but I have never been able to find one.

I'm wondering if instances like that (the cupping of the hands and booing) haven't given him a reputation among refs that is less then desirable..

 

[AdaSooner]

I'm wondering if instances like that (the cupping of the hands and booing) haven't given him a reputation among refs that is less then desirable..

Could be. You'd better believe the officials were aware of what he did. It's not that they would carry a grudge [wink wink], but he might not get the benefit of a close call or two to even things up just a little.