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[jerry]

They jacked up my bracket. I had them going to the next round. :facepalm

Have 2 brackets and had them losing in both. Friend of mine in Vegas from OU saw Oregon in Pac 12 tourney and felt like they could beat the sheepherders.

 

[campbest]

I remember us pursuing Guerrero and Jurick, but were we in seriously on Cobbins and Smart? Someone please explain how they were taken from OU.

Definitely Cobbins, Smart was never THAT serious.

 

[SilliSooner]

Where is Nash going, he was better in high school than he is now

Lots of physicality, no head in the game whatsoever.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Lots of physicality, no head in the game whatsoever.

I agree. He makes some of the dumbest mistakes. In fact, yesterday he had 3 turnovers in a row when the game was in doubt early on. Had OSU been able to score on those possessions they would have taken the lead and may have grabbed the momentum, but instead Nash made one dumb decision after another and they couldn't score.

 

[AdaSooner]

Not to get off on another terribly long tangent here but mind explaining that reasoning to me? I know the perception is hes a terrible coach, yet there is plenty of things to disprove that way of thinking. Not a ton but being the only coach in years to win at KU seems to paint a different picture. As does a lot of things that happened this year, Fords first year, and little things such as beating a top 10 team at least once every year hes been at OSU

Ford has taken good recruits from OU (cobbins, smart, you could say Jurick). He has split with OU every year except one. So what exactly is OU gaining by Ford being at OSU. Again I understand the natural hate and when there is hate things always get magnified. It doesn't shock me that this board thinks Ford is terrible, thus him sticking around is good. Yet, I'm just not seeing that benefit to OU. I share the sentiment of Drew sticking around, he underachieves like crazy, so it makes sense big 12 schools want him around.

I'll chalk it up to our heated rivalry and things getting magnified from hate. I certainly don't expect to come here and hear fans saying what a great coach he is.

Carl, I'll try to answer your questions if I can. I have never thought of Ford as a terrible coach, and doubt if the majority of OU fans on this board feel that way. The success OSU has had this year would appear to disprove that theory. He acts like a child sometimes, but that doesn't make him a bad coach.

The perception is that he's a great recruiter who has underachieved with the talent he has brought to Stillwater. Right or wrong, that's how I see it, too. This year, for example, a few so-called experts had OSU as a possible final four team, yet they bowed out in the first round.

When considering the talent on this year's OSU team, with two McDonald's All-Americans and a supporting cast any coach would be proud of, I'm reminded of an OU team a few years back that underachieved their way to a losing season. I don't blame the coach back then entirely, just as I don't put all of the blame on Ford for yesterday's loss. But the fact remains that he failed to get the best out of his players when it counted the most. He's still young and experienced to some extent, so maybe he will in time.

For whatever it's worth, that's how I see it.

 

[Tundrasooner]

Ford whining after the loss to Oregon about seeding just makes him even worse. Who gives a crap what seed they were? You got beat by an average team and beat bad. And you were the better team.

 

[WaymanFan]

Carl, I'll try to answer your questions if I can. I have never thought of Ford as a terrible coach, and doubt if the majority of OU fans on this board feel that way. The success OSU has had this year would appear to disprove that theory. He acts like a child sometimes, but that doesn't make him a bad coach.

The perception is that he's a great recruiter who has underachieved with the talent he has brought to Stillwater. Right or wrong, that's how I see it, too. This year, for example, a few so-called experts had OSU as a possible final four team, yet they bowed out in the first round.

When considering the talent on this year's OSU team, with two McDonald's All-Americans and a supporting cast any coach would be proud of, I'm reminded of an OU team a few years back that underachieved their way to a losing season. I don't blame the coach back then entirely, just as I don't put all of the blame on Ford for yesterday's loss. But the fact remains that he failed to get the best out of his players when it counted the most. He's still young and experienced to some extent, so maybe he will in time.

For whatever it's worth, that's how I see it.

This is how I see it as well. Ford is definitely an above-average recruiter, but he hasn't shown to be anything more than an average coach.

When the preseason comes around and the writers pick a coach on the hot seat in every conference, Ford will be the name for the Big XII (though Rick Barnes seat is getting warmer). Had OSU won a couple of tourney games, I think Ford would have bought himself at least two more years. Even without Smart, they should return to the Dance...and for his sake, they had better.

 

[steverocks35]

This is how I see it as well. Ford is definitely an above-average recruiter, but he hasn't shown to be anything more than an average coach.

When the preseason comes around and the writers pick a coach on the hot seat in every conference, Ford will be the name for the Big XII (though Rick Barnes seat is getting warmer). Had OSU won a couple of tourney games, I think Ford would have bought himself at least two more years. Even without Smart, they should return to the Dance...and for his sake, they had better.

The things about Ford's coaching to me that I see as problems are their incoherence on offense and their constant gambling and getting out of position on defense. They're really just generally undisciplined.

 

[Big Old Booger]

This is how I see it as well. Ford is definitely an above-average recruiter, but he hasn't shown to be anything more than an average coach.

When the preseason comes around and the writers pick a coach on the hot seat in every conference, Ford will be the name for the Big XII (though Rick Barnes seat is getting warmer). Had OSU won a couple of tourney games, I think Ford would have bought himself at least two more years. Even without Smart, they should return to the Dance...and for his sake, they had better.

I guess if you have to pick a coach on the hot seat it would probably be 1 of the 2, but I don't see either one to that point yet.

OSU had a good season but played their best basketball in February instead of percolating in March. They only lost 1 home game, won at AF, and advanced to the NCAA and were handed a horrible matchup. IMO, Drew should be on the hotseat before Ford because he has a much better roster and were a huge disappointment in conference play.

Plus, from everything I hear, Ford and both the AD and T-Boone love Ford. He's in with the people who matter.

Barnes biggest mistake is he recruits too good. During Texas game vs TCU in the Big 12 tourney, they showed a stat of all the players Barnes recruited who now play in the NBA. Most of those were 1-and-done type players and some of them (Bradley and Thompson) would be playing this year and Texas would be much better. Not to mention Kabongo's suspension...

 

[oSuJeff97]

The perception is that he's a great recruiter who has underachieved with the talent he has brought to Stillwater. Right or wrong, that's how I see it, too.

Let's step back and look at the facts:

Ford has coached 5 seasons at OSU. I think you could say three have been good (his first two and this year), one was mediocre (third year) and one was bad (last year).

His first two seasons, the team was made mostly of Sutton's recruits, but they had some talent and experience and they had good years. Did those teams underachieve? I would say no. None of the players on those teams had ever sniffed the NCAA tournament or had any real success and Ford had them in the Tournament two years in a row.

I've said this many times -- the notion about Ford being renowned as a "great recruiter" is ironic, because the two bad years were the direct result of bad recruiting. It was his first full recruiting class -- the 2009 class that included seven players.... that was completely gone before the end of their second season. That was a massive hit to talent, depth and experience that caused some problems in 2011 and absolutely crippled the team in 2012.

However, his successive recruiting classes have been good and we started seeing the payoff this year with the improvement of guys like Brown, Cobbins and Brian Williams complementing the emergence of Smart.

This year, for example, a few so-called experts had OSU as a possible final four team, yet they bowed out in the first round.

Who are these experts who had OSU as a possible Final Four team? Just because one guy makes a prediction on the Internet doesn't mean that it's fair, in terms of expectations.

OSU was picked 3rd in the Big 12 preseason poll and that's where they finished. In terms of this tournament, I saw tons of "experts" picking Oregon, and, outside of that, practically everyone was picking SLU to beat either us or Oregon in the next round.

When considering the talent on this year's OSU team, with two McDonald's All-Americans and a supporting cast any coach would be proud of, I'm reminded of an OU team a few years back that underachieved their way to a losing season.

You aren't seriously comparing this team to the TMG/Tiny Gallon OU team are you? This team actually did accomplish a few things. That team had a losing record.

This OSU team finished better than any OSU team in nearly a decade. It was one game away from sharing the Big 12 title and was easily the most accomplished OSU team since Eddie left.

It's a team that simply got a horrible NCAA tournament draw and picked the wrong day to play its worst game in two months.

It happens. Ask New Mexico.

I don't blame the coach back then entirely, just as I don't put all of the blame on Ford for yesterday's loss. But the fact remains that he failed to get the best out of his players when it counted the most. He's still young and experienced to some extent, so maybe he will in time.

For whatever it's worth, that's how I see it.

I understand that, at the end of the day, the NCAA tournament matters most. But I think it's more than a little bit unfair to put the entire season on one game. Again, a little perspective is helpful. Since Eddie's last full season in 2005, OSU has finished in the following positions in the Big 12:

9th, 7th, 9th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 7th

So this year, we finish 3rd, one game from sharing the title. I think that's pretty good, considering where we've been.

Sometimes good teams just pick the wrong time to play a bad game.

Again look at New Mexico... everyone agreed they were a great team this year... won 29 games, won the MWC, etc. And I did see lots of people picking them to go far in the Tournament, but they just laid an egg against Harvard yesterday. Is their season a total loss at this point? Is Steve Alford a bad coach now because they were upset?

Let me say this -- I'm not happy with losing to Oregon in the first round. It sucks.

It really sucks that we have a special player like Smart for one year and we lose in the first round.

But I also think that perspective is helpful.

 

[jerry]

Oregon should have been seeded lower, but OSU is at best a 8 seed.

 

[Big Old Booger]

It really sucks that we have a special player like Smart for one year and we lose in the first round.

On a separate thread JBaker said the following:

Again, Smart led OSU to a 13-5 Big 12 record. He hasn't accomplished jacked squat. If they don't go on a nice run in the tournament, he will have a lasting legacy of absolutely nothing at OSU.

Sounds like you agree with him?

 

[oSuJeff97]

On a separate thread JBaker said the following:



Sounds like you agree with him?

You pulled a single quote from my response... did you read the rest of it?

Here's the key portion:

I understand that, at the end of the day, the NCAA tournament matters most. But I think it's more than a little bit unfair to put the entire season on one game. Again, a little perspective is helpful. Since Eddie's last full season in 2005, OSU has finished in the following positions in the Big 12:

9th, 7th, 9th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 7th

So this year, we finish 3rd, one game from sharing the title. I think that's pretty good, considering where we've been.

Our average finish in the Big 12 since Eddie's last full season has been 8th.

This year, we finished 3rd, one game away from sharing a Big 12 title. (We also beat Kansas in Lawrence for the first time since 1989, something that Eddie never did.)

Yes, advancing in the Tournament would make the season better, but to say we accomplished "nothing" or didn't get "anything" out of Smart is ridiculous.

 

[AdaSooner]

Jeff, I couldn't care less if you reject everything I had to say about Ford and OSU. If you don't want to believe that I heard a couple of talking heads say that OSU was a possible final four team, that's your choice. It was during a studio show on one of the networks, can't recall which one. Even if I did, I'm not obligated to explain further. You can take my word for it if you want, makes no difference to me.

I got involved on this thread because Carl asked why OU fans see Travis as a horrible coach (something I don't agree with, by the way). I answered his questions as honestly as I could, which was a lot more than anyone else had done to that point. I made it clear that Travis is perceived as a good recruiter who has underachieved with the talent he has brought in. I didn't say that was an accurate assessment, I said that is the "perception." Don't shoot the messenger. Read the responses on this thread and you'll see that Travis is thought to be a far worse coach than anything I described, or even believe him to be.

I'm sure his cocky attitude, his immature behavior on the sideline and the fact that he's OSU's coach has a lot to do with the opinions expressed on this and other Travis Ford threads. This is an OU board. What did you expect to find, sad, teary-eyed posters who were distraught over OSU's loss yesterday?

What's it like on the OSU boards? Are Poke fans happy with the way Travis coached his boys up in the game against Oregon? I haven't been on a Poke board in years. Unlike this board, where fans of other schools are treated fairly well, OU fans are not welcome over there. A few Sooner fans I've known over the years have been banned for, well, being an OU fan of all things.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Jeff, I couldn't care less if you reject everything I had to say about Ford and OSU. If you don't want to believe that I heard a couple of talking heads say that OSU was a possible final four team, that's your choice. It was during a studio show on one of the networks, can't recall which one. Even if I did, I'm not obligated to explain further. You can take my word for it if you want, makes no difference to me.

I got involved on this thread because Carl asked why OU fans see Travis as a horrible coach (something I don't agree with, by the way). I answered his questions as honestly as I could, which was a lot more than anyone else had done to that point. I made it clear that Travis is perceived as a good recruiter who has underachieved with the talent he has brought in. I didn't say that was an accurate assessment, I said that is the "perception." Don't shoot the messenger. Read the responses on this thread and you'll see that Travis is thought to be a far worse coach than anything I described, or even believe him to be.

I'm sure his cocky attitude, his immature behavior on the sideline and the fact that he's OSU's coach has a lot to do with the opinions expressed on this and other Travis Ford threads. This is an OU board. What did you expect to find, sad, teary-eyed posters who were distraught over OSU's loss yesterday?

What's it like on the OSU boards? Are Poke fans happy with the way Travis coached his boys up in the game against Oregon? I haven't been on a Poke board in years. Unlike this board, where fans of other schools are treated fairly well, OU fans are not welcome over there. A few Sooner fans I've known over the years have been banned for, well, being an OU fan of all things.

WTF is with all of the anger?

I thought we were having a discussion... ?

How about addressing the points I make, instead of getting all puffed up and angry that I introduced said points.

I certainly don't expect anything from anyone here other than a little bit of discussion.

That's what made this board fun in the past. There used to be great discussions.

Now it seems like just anger and/or childish/tired message board smack all the time.