OU better not be sitting idle

[HoHum]

Nope.

Face it, OU is fine in a conference arms race, it is the oSu's and Baylor's of the world that get jacked up. SEC would grab OU and aTm out of the B12, THAT IS PROBABLY IT!

OSU's a top athletic revenue earner.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/2197/two-big-12-schools-crack-top-10-in-athletic-revenue

While they don't (obviously) have a money maker like OU football, they still make a lot of money. Plus, they are competitive in virtually every sport.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

OSU's a top athletic revenue earner.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/2197/two-big-12-schools-crack-top-10-in-athletic-revenue

While they don't (obviously) have a money maker like OU football, they still make a lot of money. Plus, they are competitive in virtually every sport.

T. Boone cannot buy oSu into the SEC...but if they do, great. You forget, I'm an OU fan, I know we are fine.

 

[HoHum]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

About what?

OU is going to get grabbed by the SEC in a NY minute the instant it looks like the B10 or Pac10 are going to expand. The next target on that list is probably aTm and then a team or two from the ACC [FSU and the "U" probably]. No offense, but I just don't see where oSu fits into the mix, and the "State" won't screw OU by handcuffing them to oSu.

 

[HoHum]

About the two different points we're arguing? You're arguing one thing, I'm arguing the other. We disagree on a point, and neither of us will relent. Thus, we'll have to agree to disagree.

No offense taken. I've already given my examples on why OSU would go with OU. (Prior Precedent/Texas, OSU being a top 15 revenue school). If you don't think they're valid, then you don't think they're valid.

You seem to be looking past money (which makes the world go round, yadda, yadda), and think the SEC is instead solely invested in 'prestige' or 'history' or something else intangible. When, I think the top things they'll be looking at is revenue and TV markets.

By the way, I think A&M goes wherever UT goes. For pretty much the same reasons I'm giving for OSU/OU. So, I don't think the SEC will expand into Texas, considering Texas wants to join a higher prestige academic conference. And the SEC isn't exactly Ivy League South East or anything.

 

[seniorsooner]

Nope.

Face it, OU is fine in a conference arms race, it is the oSu's and Baylor's of the world that get jacked up. SEC would grab OU and aTm out of the B12, THAT IS PROBABLY IT!

So can you tell me how Baylor got into the Big 12 in the first place? I'll give you a hint: she used to be the Governor of Texas.

 

[Sawyer]

I mentioned on here a few months back that I expected Missouri to join the Big 10, and that the Big 10's expansion would lead to a major shift in the power conference landscape. Plenty of people dismissed the possibility.

Looks like it's going to happen, though. The Big 10 is going to add multiple teams and Missouri very well could be one of them. When the Pac 10 expands, Colorado will be on their short list. The SEC will want to keep up and could very well look at the Big 12 South for possibilities.

For the teams that get picked up, it's likely going to be a good thing for all (financially, anyway). For those that get left behind... have fun trying to figure out how to stay competitive. I feel bad for Iowa State. They're probably going to be the most screwed school of them all.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

So can you tell me how Baylor got into the Big 12 in the first place? I'll give you a hint: she used to be the Governor of Texas.

Right, and how much crap has she taken for it? My point is that I don't see OU being forced to stick with a sub-standard conference solely because oSu is not invited. As said before, all of this conference re-alignment stuff doesn't concern me, because I know OU will be fine [see OP].

 

[seniorsooner]

I never said that "the state" is going to force OU to be in Conference USA or the Sun Belt simply because OSU isn't invited to join the SEC or some other power conference. What I am saying is that the "the state" WILL put tremendous pressure on any conference to take both OU AND OSU if this actually materalizes. And more often than not that pressure wins out in the end, which is why I brought up Ann Richards and Baylor. Also I'm sorry but I don't foresee OSU having any problems. With Pickens as a donor, and several sports that they are successful in (golf, wrestling, football, basketball, baseball, etc) they will be an attractive option for a power conference if the Big 12 dissolves.

 

[campbest]

If anyone doesn't think there will be strong pressure from the state to keep OSU and OU in the same conference, then they have no concept of reality and prior precedent.

OSU isn't going to the CUSA, they will move into whichever big conference OU does.

 

[Crimson King]

I'm completely against a major reworking of the current structure, superconferences, etc. Some of the loudest voices in opposition should come from schools that are "basketball first." Under the scenario below, KU, Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Louisville, etc. could be left out of the mix, as well as KSU and OSU.

Let's assume the Big 10 goes to 16 teams and, as the article says, SEC responds by expanding to 16. PAC 10 also gets into the act by going to 16. Logical expansion would be as follows:

Big 10--adds MU, NU, Pitt, Rutgers, ND if they will go, Syracuse as a backup.

Pac 10--adds TX, TAM (don't laugh; those Harvard wannabes like Pac 10 academics better), BYU, Utah, CU, and CSU (latter only because of the "two states from each area" mantra that conference has stuck to).

SEC--adds OU, Clemson, FSU and Miami (granted, they might take UNC or Va Tech instead of Miami).

With the possible exceptions of UNC and Syracuse, all of the basketball schools mentioned above would be on the outside looking in.

I'm hoping cooler heads prevail, and damage to CBB is one of the factors which stops major chaos, others being history, rivalries, geography, travel costs, etc. May the Big 10 take Pitt, the Big 12 sign a big new TV contract, and tradition be preserved.

 

[boksooner]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/02/16/conference-realignment/index.html

Same writer from February. Interesting alignment. The ACC would be a beast in basketball.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I never said that "the state" is going to force OU to be in Conference USA or the Sun Belt simply because OSU isn't invited to join the SEC or some other power conference. What I am saying is that the "the state" WILL put tremendous pressure on any conference to take both OU AND OSU if this actually materalizes. And more often than not that pressure wins out in the end, which is why I brought up Ann Richards and Baylor. Also I'm sorry but I don't foresee OSU having any problems. With Pickens as a donor, and several sports that they are successful in (golf, wrestling, football, basketball, baseball, etc) they will be an attractive option for a power conference if the Big 12 dissolves.

If the SEC or Big 10 invites OU but does not invite oSu (a very real possibility) then the only pressure the Stateof Oklahoma can put on the SEC is by saying that OU can't join the SEC without oSu being invited to join as well. If the SEC says they only want OU, what happens?

 

[boksooner]

If the SEC or Big 10 invites OU but does not invite oSu (a very real possibility) then the only pressure the Stateof Oklahoma can put on the SEC is by saying that OU can't join the SEC without oSu being invited to join as well. If the SEC says they only want OU, what happens?

No it isn't.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

No it isn't.

I like the Super 16 format in the article you linked, that SEC would be a pretty bad ass conference to join. Hopefully OU could keep a foothold in the DFW area [I bet we would].

 

[boksooner]

Since the Big Ten has come out and said they are not adding Notre Dame, you probably won't see the radical re-alignment that everyone is talking about. The Big Ten will probably only 1 or 3 teams (most likely from the Big East), the Pac -10 will add 2 teams (Colorado or the Utah schools) and the SEC and ACC will stand pat. The Big 12 may have to replace a team or two, same with the Big East, but I doubt there will be any radical re-alignment.

 

[campbest]

If the SEC or Big 10 invites OU but does not invite oSu (a very real possibility) then the only pressure the Stateof Oklahoma can put on the SEC is by saying that OU can't join the SEC without oSu being invited to join as well. If the SEC says they only want OU, what happens?

Then the SEC will probably look elsewhere.

 

[Max Power]

Pac 10 might also look at boise state. if we do lose a team look for the big 12 to go after tcu and shift the conference alignment to east west or divisions not based on geography. They will want to keep ou, osu, texas, and texas a&M in the same divisions so either baylor, tcu, or tech will be with the north teams.

 

[campbest]

Pac 10 might also look at boise state. if we do lose a team look for the big 12 to go after tcu and shift the conference alignment to east west or divisions not based on geography. They will want to keep ou, osu, texas, and texas a&M in the same divisions so either baylor, tcu, or tech will be with the north teams.

Pac-10 will would only take Boise St. as a last resort. Small media market and lacking educational institution.

 

[Max Power]

Pac-10 will would only take Boise St. as a last resort. Small media market and lacking educational institution.

Oh I totally agree it would be a last resort. I just think they have to be on the list. The Pac 10 is sick of getting embarrassed by them so if you can't beat them, have them join you. That way when Oregon, Oregon State, and whoever else loses to them it doesn't look as bad. That's the only reason why I think they would consider it