OU is in danger of being left behind

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Wow, what a transformation the conference has gone through over the past year.

CU jumps to the Pac-10, NU to the Big 10. Two original Big-8 programs are gone, and easily the two worst in basketball recently.

OU and OSU, once fixtures in the top 5 or 6 (top 4 for OU) face a new reality....

KSU, who used to suck, is now a basketball power. They were close to going to a sweet 16 this year and have a coach that will continue to recruit well and win in Manhattan.

Texas A&M was horrendous. But, they build a new arena, hire a guy from UTEP, and they havent looked back since. They bring in talent, they make the NCAA Tournament, and Mark Turgeon has carried on what Billy Gillespie started.

Missouri has never been a better basketball program than OU or OSU, but they build a new arena, hire a fantastic coach from UAB, and it put them on the map. They play a unique style, recruit very well (#1 recruiting class last year), and return an entire team from a young squad that made the NCAA Tournament and only lost one game at home.

ISU hired its most famous player, and after one season they have a very promising future lined up. They secured very good players from Michigan State who were on some final four teams in Chris Allen and Korey Lucious, they got a transfer from Minnesota in Royce White who was a top 50 player out of high school, a transfer from Penn State who averaged 11 ppg for a Big 10 team in Chris Babb, a banger from Southern Illinois in Anthony Booker, plus possibly the best shooter in juco basketball in Tyrus Mcgee. They return Ejim (a very good freshman) and Scott Christopherson (a great shooter). Make no mistake, ISU is extremely experienced and talented for the next couple of years.

Now, today (3/20/2011) Texas Tech hires the same guy who turned around A&M. He is a master recruiter, especially in Texas. He has a great arena, plays a tough style of basketball. They defend, rebound, and beat people up. He plays a pretty similar brand of tough basketball once deployed by Eddie Sutton and Kelvin Sampson.

Look at the coaches in the Big 12:

Bill Self
Rick Barnes
Mark Turgeon
Billy Gillespie
Mike Anderson
Frank Martin
Scott Drew
Travis Ford
Fred Hoiberg
????? (OU)

This conference is loaded with coaches and talent... once dead programs at ISU and Tech are on their way up in a big way. OSU is rebuilding but has 4 very good players coming in (Lebryan Nash, Brian Williams, Michael Cobbins, and Cezar Guerrero) and they could be dangerous as well.

OU needs players, and they need to make a splash with this hire. The right coach here makes sure OU doesnt get left behind.
 
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Missouri has never been a better basketball program than OU or OSU

Except for OSU's 20 years of sucking in the 70s and 80s (which coincided with Norm's peak at Mizzou, so Mizzou was clearly better at that point).

Other than that, Missouri, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have been relative equals over their histories. MU doesn't have any final fours, but aside from that there are not any significant differences.
 
Missouri has never been a better basketball program than OU or OSU,
I disagree. Missouri has some stellar tradition, and the Hearnes Center used to be a chamber of horrors for OU. They had stretches where they dominated the conference. Sunvold, Stipanovich and those guys.

I agree with the overall premise of your post, though. This is a very critical hire.

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Theres no such thing as being left behind. One of the schools you mentioned, K-State, was "left behind" for 20 years, now theyre good again. Oklahoma football was "left behind" 10+ years and won a NC in 2 years.

College athletics turns around so quickly anymore... I just dont think theres any reality to that phrase.

The only way you get left behind in college basketball is if you hire the wrong guy 3-4 times in a row IMO, and even then youre bound to have some really good yeas in between (see Mike Davis at Indiana).
 
Theres no such thing as being left behind. One of the schools you mentioned, K-State, was "left behind" for 20 years, now theyre good again. Oklahoma football was "left behind" 10+ years and won a NC in 2 years.

College athletics turns around so quickly anymore... I just dont think theres any reality to that phrase.

The only way you get left behind in college basketball is if you hire the wrong guy 3-4 times in a row IMO, and even then youre bound to have some really good yeas in between (see Mike Davis at Indiana).

Agree. Anyone can be good and anyone can suck, and it can change in a heartbeat. Unless you're one of the few blueblood programs (UNC, Duke, kansas, Kentucky, UCLA), tradition doesn't matter. It's all about getting the right guy at the right time.
 
Wow, what a transformation the conference has gone through over the past year.

CU jumps to the Pac-10, NU to the Big 10. Two original Big-8 programs are gone, and easily the two worst in basketball recently.

OU and OSU, once fixtures in the top 5 or 6 (top 4 for OU) face a new reality....

KSU, who used to suck, is now a basketball power. They were close to going to a sweet 16 this year and have a coach that will continue to recruit well and win in Manhattan.

Texas A&M was horrendous. But, they build a new arena, hire a guy from UTEP, and they havent looked back since. They bring in talent, they make the NCAA Tournament, and Mark Turgeon has carried on what Billy Gillespie started.

Missouri has never been a better basketball program than OU or OSU, but they build a new arena, hire a fantastic coach from UAB, and it put them on the map. They play a unique style, recruit very well (#1 recruiting class last year), and return an entire team from a young squad that made the NCAA Tournament and only lost one game at home.

ISU hired its most famous player, and after one season they have a very promising future lined up. They secured very good players from Michigan State who were on some final four teams in Chris Allen and Korey Lucious, they got a transfer from Minnesota in Royce White who was a top 50 player out of high school, a transfer from Penn State who averaged 11 ppg for a Big 10 team in Chris Babb, a banger from Southern Illinois in Anthony Booker, plus possibly the best shooter in juco basketball in Tyrus Mcgee. They return Ejim (a very good freshman) and Scott Christopherson (a great shooter). Make no mistake, ISU is extremely experienced and talented for the next couple of years.

Now, today (3/20/2011) Texas Tech hires the same guy who turned around A&M. He is a master recruiter, especially in Texas. He has a great arena, plays a tough style of basketball. They defend, rebound, and beat people up. He plays a pretty similar brand of tough basketball once deployed by Eddie Sutton and Kelvin Sampson.

Look at the coaches in the Big 12:

Bill Self
Rick Barnes
Mark Turgeon
Billy Gillespie
Mike Anderson
Frank Martin
Scott Drew
Travis Ford
Fred Hoiberg
????? (OU)

This conference is loaded with coaches and talent... once dead programs at ISU and Tech are on their way up in a big way. OSU is rebuilding but has 4 very good players coming in (Lebryan Nash, Brian Williams, Michael Cobbins, and Cezar Guerrero) and they could be dangerous as well.

OU needs players, and they need to make a splash with this hire. The right coach here makes sure OU doesnt get left behind.

You bring up some good points, but since when did K-State become a "basketball power"? One Elite 8 appearance in recent memory and a 5 seed this season doesn't warrant that high of a pedigree.
 
In basketball you need a decent coach and two great players. Then you're right back in it...
 
In basketball you need a decent coach and two great players. Then you're right back in it...


Exactly, basketball can turn around a lot sooner than football. PG and big man and some role players. We have to get a really good coach this time though, or we could be in trouble.
 
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