Our Schedule - SOS

[DenverSooner]

Exactly...but the whole Maui tournament was not good for this years team. Having to play Kentucky, then Virginia...and having to play Chaminade in their own back yard...just wasn't the greatest thing that could have happened to us.

You aren't actually making excuses for Chiminade are you?

 

[aaron7]

Pledger would hardly play for Kelvin Sampson. He is nothing but a 3 point shooter who is very inconsistent. Too lazy to play defense or rebound.

I'd take Godbold and AJ in a heartbeat over Pledger. They are both 3 times the player Pledger has performed to be in his 2 years save 1 game (ISU) and that's because he was making shots.

I can think of 2 games off the top of my head we wouldn't have won without Godbold (KU in 2005, and Tech in 2008, and I would bet more exist). I can think of 1 game in Pledger's 2 years we don't win without him (ISU).

No idea what Sampson has to do with Jeff's first year, other than the guys he had signed didn't honor their signatures. Anyway, you have the ability to use Godbold's entire career versus almost two of Pledger's. It is so easy to say that guys who have completed four year careers have done more things than a guy in his second year. One must wait until Pledge is done to make these comparisons totally accurate. I don't ever remember Godbold taking the entire team on his back and winning a road game in the Big XII. Yes he made a miracle shot at Tech, but that is hardly what Pledger did at ISU.

 

[Big Old Booger]

No idea what Sampson has to do with Jeff's first year, other than the guys he had signed didn't honor their signatures. Anyway, you have the ability to use Godbold's entire career versus almost two of Pledger's. It is so easy to say that guys who have completed four year careers have done more things than a guy in his second year. One must wait until Pledge is done to make these comparisons totally accurate. I don't ever remember Godbold taking the entire team on his back and winning a road game in the Big XII. Yes he made a miracle shot at Tech, but that is hardly what Pledger did at ISU.

Thru 2 years, Godbold was a better more consistent player than Pledger has been. Plus, Godbold played great defense and he rebounded, 2 things Pledger will not do.

 

[aaron7]

Thru 2 years, Godbold was a better more consistent player than Pledger has been. Plus, Godbold played great defense and he rebounded, 2 things Pledger will not do.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about Godbold vs Pledger at this point in their careers.

 

[bgrch1350]

Davis as a Sr. is way better than AJ as a Soph and Crock as a Frosh. Not even debatable.

You beat me too it.

 

[colston15]

Thru 2 years, Godbold was a better more consistent player than Pledger has been. Plus, Godbold played great defense and he rebounded, 2 things Pledger will not do.

I think it's really faulty to compare players that played on teams with varying talent.

I bet Pledger would look better with more talent around him, just as Godbold would look worse with less.

 

[bgrch1350]

You aren't actually making excuses for Chiminade are you?

No i'm not...but our team is not the same team that played them. We are playing a lot better now. But a loss is a loss

 

[aaron7]

Godbold's Sr. Yr Stats

7.7 pts
4.0 reb
32.6% from 3
1.8 assist
1.1 steals

Pledger's So. Yr Stats

11.2 pts
2.2 reb
34.6% from 3
1.79 assist
.82 steals

That's Godbold as a Sr. vs Pledger as a So. Way too early to make blanket statements about Goldbold being superior to Pledger.

 

[bgrch1350]

I was not a fan of Godbold. I didn't hate his game, but I couldn't believe the minutes he was getting when Lavender Everett Williams and Mckenzie were on this team. I'm not hating on this kid or even people who loved him...but I was just not a fan.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I was not a fan of Godbold. I didn't hate his game, but I couldn't believe the minutes he was getting when Lavender Everett Williams and Mckenzie were on this team. I'm not hating on this kid or even people who loved him...but I was just not a fan.

He played a lot as a frosh because he could play defense.

From the comparison stats, Godbold was doubling-up Pledger in rebounds and that's an important part of the game. And, he was a better defender, which does not show up on the stats sheet.

Pledger is the better offensive player because Godbold was no great shakes on offense, but he was good enough given his defense and rebounding.

 

[DenverSooner]

I like both guys. Godbold played his role and did a nice job at OU. Pledger is playing his role and doing a nice job. Pledger is putting up nice numbers for a sophomore. He might put up great numbers as a senior. His shot selection will likely improve and his shot might improve too. He is shooting 35% (.346) from 3 point range as sophomore. He might approach 40% as a senior.

Pledger does need to improve his defense but I think it is better this year and will continue to improve.

 

[thebigabd]

Something to remember here when comparing stats is that Pledger and Cade put up good numbers for a team that isnt even competitive. These guys have lost 7 games in a row, 6 of them by double digits.

 

[DenverSooner]

Something to remember here when comparing stats is that Pledger and Cade put up good numbers for a team that isnt even competitive. These guys have lost 7 games in a row, 6 of them by double digits.

I still like them both. I would take Cade Davis on my team any day. I think I will say the same thing about Pledger when he is career is over. Other than his shoplifting incident (and I have done things equally wrong) he has been a really good member of the basketball team. We are entitled to mistakes.

 

[NickZepp]

Godbold's Sr. Yr Stats

7.7 pts
4.0 reb
32.6% from 3
1.8 assist
1.1 steals

Pledger's So. Yr Stats

11.2 pts
2.2 reb
34.6% from 3
1.79 assist
.82 steals

That's Godbold as a Sr. vs Pledger as a So. Way too early to make blanket statements about Goldbold being superior to Pledger.

Godbold was our 6th man wasn't he? Pledger starts every game probably gets more minutes, definitely has a lot more shots.

Just looked it up. Godbold shot 7.1 shots per game. Pledger shoots 9.3 per game. Pledger plays over 30 minutes, Godbold as a senior averaged just under 29 minutes. Not as different as I thought it would be. Still a lot more shots. Both couldn't make that many 3s. Godbold was a lot better on defense.

 

[aaron7]

Godbold was our 6th man wasn't he? Pledger starts every game probably gets more minutes, definitely has a lot more shots.

Pledger averages 30.9 min and Godbold averaged 28.8 min. I don't know about volume of shots, but the percentages are heavily skewed in Pledger's favor.

 

[NickZepp]

I still like them both. I would take Cade Davis on my team any day. I think I will say the same thing about Pledger when he is career is over. Other than his shoplifting incident (and I have done things equally wrong) he has been a really good member of the basketball team. We are entitled to mistakes.

I think Pledger is just so slow on defense. He may be the worst defender we have. And on offense he doesn't do much except shoot 3s and misses most of them.

 

[NickZepp]

Pledger averages 30.9 min and Godbold averaged 28.8 min. I don't know about volume of shots, but the percentages are heavily skewed in Pledger's favor.

I looked it up right after I posted and edited it in. Godbold's defensive numbers are so much better.

 

[aaron7]

I looked it up right after I posted and edited it in. Godbold's defensive numbers are so much better.

I think Godbold was a better defender, but I know Pledger is better on offense due to the statistics. Maybe I'm being a little bit of a hard a** about this, but I also think we remember the guys that weren't great on offense as defensive wizards automatically. We rationalize the reason they played was because they were great defenders. Could be very true. It's just a part of basketball that is lacking in statistical analysis.

 

[NickZepp]

I don't think Pledger is as much better on offense as Godbold was on defense. I think Pledger's defense is poor at best.

 

[aaron7]

I don't think Pledger is as much better on offense as Godbold was on defense. I think Pledger's defense is poor at best.

Problem is there is no way to prove it. That's what I'm saying. Someone who is much wiser than me needs to figure a way to measure defensive ability quantitatively.