Porter to.........Villanova???

[steverocks35]

I mean I'd still immediately take "bucky" ball and a handful of coaches immediately over pm for the exact reasons you stated in your post. We blew a lot of easily winnable games this year where decent x's and o's would/could have easily been the difference..

I started to make this same point. He listed a bunch of games better coaches would have won and would have resulted in us being a top 5 seed.

 

[WichitaSooner]

And again, I repeat it isn't "exactly this". My reading comprehension is just fine.

You wanted the guy fired after winning 20 games?!? You start firing coaches that win 20 games a year because you think you can "do better" and what types of coaches are going to apply for that job? Moser isn't the perfect coach, but the guy has won 20 games this year in the toughest conference without ever having the full team he recruited and expected to have which happened right before the season started. One of them if not both were going to be starters if not important pieces off the bench. That isn't something that you are normally prepared for, and all the guy did was rip of a 13-0 start with his "awful" coaching. Did they catch some breaks along the way? Of course they did. But to discredit the work they have done last year and especially this year is an odd hill to die on in my opinion.

Some of the losses for sure are/were hard to stomach. But playing the what if game, would it change your opinion on how "bad" of a coach the guy is had they won the LSU game, one of the A&M games, the first Texas game, one of the Kentucky games and the Ole miss game? I mean that would make the record 25-8 with probably a 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. Obviously, that didn't happen so he sucks as a coach and should be fired or move on according to some. But had that happened, some of the board would be HOPING that someone else would take him based off his success this year because OU could STILL do better. Moser can't win either way with a lot of the fan base.

Injuries happen to most teams most seasons. Losing two guys from lower levels who may or may not have made an impact isn't exactly the kind of thing that should be a death blow. A lot of teams lose guys who are proven, power conference players. Kentucky is one team that would gladly trade places with us from an injury standpoint. A&M missed their best player early in conference play. Florida has had guys miss time. Houston has had awful injury luck the past few years.

As for your "what if" question -- I mean, yes, if he had coached better and won more games, and done so consistently for four years, of course that would change opinions. But as the saying goes, if my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. We didn't win those games, and in many of the games you mention, his decisions were a major reason we lost.

 

[steverocks35]

Injuries happen to most teams most seasons. Losing two guys from lower levels who may or may not have made an impact isn't exactly the kind of thing that should be a death blow. A lot of teams lose guys who are proven, power conference players. Kentucky is one team that would gladly trade places with us from an injury standpoint. A&M missed their best player early in conference play. Florida has had guys miss time. Houston has had awful injury luck the past few years.

As for your "what if" question -- I mean, yes, if he had coached better and won more games, and done so consistently for four years, of course that would change opinions. But as the saying goes, if my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. We didn't win those games, and in many of the games you mention, his decisions were a major reason we lost.

Yeah listing a bunch of games a better coach would have won isn’t doing the work he thinks it is.

 

[Maverick008]

You said “it isn’t ’exactly this’” and when on some screed about Moset when “exactly this” only referred to Capel. Do you see where you went for the rails now?

I mean I'd still immediately take "bucky" ball and a handful of coaches immediately over pm for the exact reasons you stated in your post. We blew a lot of easily winnable games this year where decent x's and o's would/could have easily been the difference..

There is zero chance you can factually state that any other coach WOULD HAVE won those games had they been coaching them. Again, no one is saying they weren't gut wrenching losses or that Moser is perfect in every coaching decision but where is the backing when he kicked Missouri's ass like they did? The same posters chalk it up to luck. He gets bashed way more for his coaching than getting any credit whatsoever.

Mark Pope is being looked at like he's a saint by a lot on this board and they finished 22-11 beating OU twice by a total of 2 points with two miracle finishes. IF OU would have been the team that did that, the PLAYERS would have gotten all the credit instead of Moser on this board. Again, no matter what the guy does, winning or losing he still sucks to a lot on this board.

 

[Maverick008]

Yeah listing a bunch of games a better coach would have won isn’t doing the work he thinks it is.

Kevin Willard just lost to the same Michigan team that OU beat by allowing the PG to dribble right down the middle of the court with 5 seconds to go and hit a layup. Fire the guy immediately after he just went 25-8.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Yeah listing a bunch of games a better coach would have won isn’t doing the work he thinks it is.

Pm was my personal #1 choice that hiring cycle.

I literally thought we'd have an x's and o's advantage in most games and a very established obvious plan and system of offense, with tons of movement and good ball rotations for wide open 3's (that would normally make up for usual talent disparities). I can't believe how wrong I was on all fronts. Honestly, I think his high school recruiting on paper exceeded my expectations, but it doesn't really matter imo bc he does not develop much talent well.

I'm still excited to make the tourney. I hope for a good run and/or pm moving to a new job, regardless. I'm very concerned about Joe C. doubling down and giving another stupid needless extension.. don't be suckered by pm's agent Joe!

 

[hoopsaustin]

Kevin Willard just lost to the same Michigan team that OU beat by allowing the PG to dribble right down the middle of the court with 5 seconds to go and hit a layup. Fire the guy immediately after he just went 25-8.

But he went 25-8... we went 20, and some on here are throwing a metaphorical parade.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Mark Pope is being looked at like he's a saint by a lot on this board and they finished 22-11 beating OU twice by a total of 2 points with two miracle finishes. IF OU would have been the team that did that, the PLAYERS would have gotten all the credit instead of Moser on this board. Again, no matter what the guy does, winning or losing he still sucks to a lot on this board.

In his first year with a rag tag quick portal team. And again, 22 wins, not 20, like us.

 

[IndySooner]

capel didn't get fired for being a dick. he was fired because he lost too many games...and his recruiting tanked.

I don't disagree. But it didn't help his case that he was pretty much universally despised in the athletic department, with the donors and he completely ignored the alumni of the program.

 

[steverocks35]

We have a 4 year sample size of PM being a brutally bad in-game coach. He may be the nicest guy on earth but he’s getting paid millions of dollars to win games, not win a most popular guy on campus award.

 

[soonertrash77]

Except it isn't "exactly this". In Capel's last 2 years OU went 27-36. In Moser's last 2 years (this year and last year), Moser is currently 40-25 in arguably the 2 toughest conferences ever. His recruiting also isn't anywhere near the "tanking" level that Capel's was at the end of his OU tenure.

I get it that some of you will never consider Moser a good coach but claiming that he is currently at a level of where he should be fired is laughable with how this year especially has ended. It actually looks like he has the program on the upswing. He was 34-33 his first two years and again, is 40-25 the last two. No one is saying or claiming he's done an amazing job, but he also hasn't done the "complete crap" job that some make it out to be.

What’s his in conference record? Tells a MUCH different story

 

[daqman]

We have a 4 year sample size of PM being a brutally bad in-game coach. He may be the nicest guy on earth but he’s getting paid millions of dollars to win games, not win a most popular guy on campus award.

i would say "brutally inconsistant" in game coach. he's able to win games against missouri and texas on the road. stay close to a supposedly much more talented kentucky team twice. but then lose to lsu/texas at home. and choke away the huge second half lead at home against a&m.
it's difficult for me to put my finger on the reason. especially when i see a player like moore just practically give games away on his own.
which is why i'm fine if pm finds another job and departs on his own. i think that would probably be best for the program. but i won't throw a fit if he stays another year.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

I don't disagree. But it didn't help his case that he was pretty much universally despised in the athletic department, with the donors and he completely ignored the alumni of the program.

And he's not doing a ton better at Pitt. He'd be gone from there if not for the buyout.

 

[Maverick008]

What’s his in conference record? Tells a MUCH different story

6-12 in the conference on paper sucks, there's no way around that. But of the 12 he lost this year, these are the seedings of teams in the NCAA tourney:

2, 4, 9, 11, 4, 1, 2, 6, No tourney (LSU), 1, 3, 6

Teams they beat this year in conference:

No tourney (USC), 10, 10, 8, 6 11

Again, the record sucks overall and OU finished 14th in the conference but it remains to be seen that by JUST changing the coach is going to improve on that much given the gauntlet that was the conference this year.

ELEVEN of the 12 losses IN THE CONFERENCE came against teams in the NCAA tournament field this year. 4 of the teams in the conference are in the TOP 8 seedings for the tournament. OU just doesn't currently have the support of the program or the facilities no matter who the coach is in my opinion to be much higher than 3-4 wins better on avg against that sort of competition.

 

[WichitaSooner]

6-12 in the conference on paper sucks, there's no way around that. But of the 12 he lost this year, these are the seedings of teams in the NCAA tourney:

2, 4, 9, 11, 4, 1, 2, 6, No tourney (LSU), 1, 3, 6

Teams they beat this year in conference:

No tourney (USC), 10, 10, 8, 6 11

Again, the record sucks overall and OU finished 14th in the conference but it remains to be seen that by JUST changing the coach is going to improve on that much given the gauntlet that was the conference this year.

ELEVEN of the 12 losses IN THE CONFERENCE came against teams in the NCAA tournament field this year. 4 of the teams in the conference are in the TOP 8 seedings for the tournament. OU just doesn't currently have the support of the program or the facilities no matter who the coach is in my opinion to be much higher than 3-4 wins better on avg against that sort of competition.

I'm pretty sure he is referring to his conference record not just this year, but over his career at OU (and maybe even his other stops). It is atrocious outside of the four-year, Krutwig-led run at Loyola.

 

[soonertrash77]

6-12 in the conference on paper sucks, there's no way around that. But of the 12 he lost this year, these are the seedings of teams in the NCAA tourney:

2, 4, 9, 11, 4, 1, 2, 6, No tourney (LSU), 1, 3, 6

Teams they beat this year in conference:

No tourney (USC), 10, 10, 8, 6 11

Again, the record sucks overall and OU finished 14th in the conference but it remains to be seen that by JUST changing the coach is going to improve on that much given the gauntlet that was the conference this year.

ELEVEN of the 12 losses IN THE CONFERENCE came against teams in the NCAA tournament field this year. 4 of the teams in the conference are in the TOP 8 seedings for the tournament. OU just doesn't currently have the support of the program or the facilities no matter who the coach is in my opinion to be much higher than 3-4 wins better on avg against that sort of competition.

His on conference record for 3 years in B12 and 1 year in SEC is 26-46. In a word horrible.

 

[TEvans4Three]

Yikes, here we go, CONF REC:

2025 6-12
2024 8-10
2023 5-13
2022 7-11 (Oklahoma)
2021 16-2
2020 13-5
2019 12-6
2018 15-3
2017 8-10
2016 7-11
2015 8-10
2014 4-14
2013 5-11
2012 1-17 (Loyola Chi)
2007 6-12
2008 4-14
2007 6-12
2006 4-14
2005 8-10
2004 4-14 (Illinois St)
2003 8-6
2002 8-6
2001 9-7 (LR-Ark)

Bold are the years he was above .500 in conference play.
Italicized are the years with Cameron Krutwig.

 

[Maverick008]

I'm pretty sure he is referring to his conference record not just this year, but over his career at OU (and maybe even his other stops). It is atrocious outside of the four-year, Krutwig-led run at Loyola.

Yeah, I get that. Again, the conference record hasn't been great over his career at OU for sure. But just talking about OU, something has to change in regard to the support for the program in my opinion prior to being able to compete against the teams of the caliber of this conference on a yearly basis regardless of who the coach is. Not many are going to jump at the chance to take the reins at OU as is and expect to compete on a high level yearly. The rumor with Wade who most here covet, is he is negotiating NIL money among other things at a place like NC State prior to agreeing to a contract. That's today's reality. OU is a ways off in that regard especially with facilities to attract a true sure fire difference maker on the sidelines. Otherwise, it's a gamble on an assistant or another low major coach to compete against the big boys in this league.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

Yikes, here we go, CONF REC:

2025 6-12
2024 8-10
2023 5-13
2022 7-11 (Oklahoma)
2021 16-2
2020 13-5
2019 12-6
2018 15-3
2017 8-10
2016 7-11
2015 8-10
2014 4-14
2013 5-11
2012 1-17 (Loyola Chi)
2007 6-12
2008 4-14
2007 6-12
2006 4-14
2005 8-10
2004 4-14 (Illinois St)
2003 8-6
2002 8-6
2001 9-7 (LR-Ark)

Bolded are the years he was above .500 in conference play.
Italicized are the years with Cameron Krutwig.

I knew his conference record was bad outside the Krutwig years, but this shows how bad it was.

Rick Majerus rehabilitated Porter Moser's career. Cam Krutwig got him paid.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Yikes, here we go, CONF REC:

2025 6-12
2024 8-10
2023 5-13
2022 7-11 (Oklahoma)
2021 16-2
2020 13-5
2019 12-6
2018 15-3
2017 8-10
2016 7-11
2015 8-10
2014 4-14
2013 5-11
2012 1-17 (Loyola Chi)
2007 6-12
2008 4-14
2007 6-12
2006 4-14
2005 8-10
2004 4-14 (Illinois St)
2003 8-6
2002 8-6
2001 9-7 (LR-Ark)

Bolded are the years he was above .500 in conference play.
Italicized are the years with Cameron Krutwig.

The sad thing is that we prolly make the tournament 75% of those 4 ou years if pm could manage 1 single extra win in those seasons.. but he blows so many games, he just can't do it (except for this year)