Porter to.........Villanova???

steverocks35 said:
Why are you so confident that he is “probably here for several more years?” I don’t see any evidence of that.
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Because JoeC is the AD .. and PM will likely make the tournament (even if a 10 seed) from here on out with the extra SEC money for players.

Your window for a new coach has closed until PM decides to leave.
 
Hecubus said:
Because JoeC is the AD .. and PM will likely make the tournament (even if a 10 seed) from here on out with the extra SEC money for players.

Your window for a new coach has closed until PM decides to leave.
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He will leave the first chance he gets. It’s borderline insane to coach at OU right now given the lackluster arena, poor fan support and lame NIL budget.

This issue is much larger than Porter, which will become more clear when and if we have to hire a new coach.
 
Hecubus said:
Because JoeC is the AD .. and PM will likely make the tournament (even if a 10 seed) from here on out with the extra SEC money for players.

Your window for a new coach has closed until PM decides to leave.
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That’s not true at all. Capel was gone two years after making the elite 8.
 
IndySooner said:
Not in the way Capel was. He (and his wife) thought he was above OU. And he acted like it the entire time. Lon had a lot to clean up when he came in.
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Yep, I experienced this personally from Capel a couple of times at booster interactions and tip-in dinners. Blew off people and was very disinterested in fans, OU tradition, and the people side of coaching. If he was like this in public interactions when lights were on, can only imagine it was worse behind the scenes.
 
IndySooner said:
Not in the way Capel was. He (and his wife) thought he was above OU. And he acted like it the entire time. Lon had a lot to clean up when he came in.
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You act like this is somehow disqualifying. If the coach is a good coach who gets the most out of his players and WINS they will be at a school as long as they want. I mean, Dan Hurley is as dickish as it comes but you’d be crazy to not want him to be your coach over a bad coach like Moser.
 
steverocks35 said:
Exactly this
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Except it isn't "exactly this". In Capel's last 2 years OU went 27-36. In Moser's last 2 years (this year and last year), Moser is currently 40-25 in arguably the 2 toughest conferences ever. His recruiting also isn't anywhere near the "tanking" level that Capel's was at the end of his OU tenure.

I get it that some of you will never consider Moser a good coach but claiming that he is currently at a level of where he should be fired is laughable with how this year especially has ended. It actually looks like he has the program on the upswing. He was 34-33 his first two years and again, is 40-25 the last two. No one is saying or claiming he's done an amazing job, but he also hasn't done the "complete crap" job that some make it out to be.
 
Maverick008 said:
Except it isn't "exactly this". In Capel's last 2 years OU went 27-36. In Moser's last 2 years (this year and last year), Moser is currently 40-25 in arguably the 2 toughest conferences ever. His recruiting also isn't anywhere near the "tanking" level that Capel's was at the end of his OU tenure.

I get it that some of you will never consider Moser a good coach but claiming that he is currently at a level of where he should be fired is laughable with how this year especially has ended. It actually looks like he has the program on the upswing. He was 34-33 his first two years and again, is 40-25 the last two. No one is saying or claiming he's done an amazing job, but he also hasn't done the "complete crap" job that some make it out to be.
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Capel got fired for losing. That’s what “exactly this” meant. Reading comprehension may not be a strong suit for you.

I thought Moser should have been fired after last season, missing the tournament for the third straight year. He eked out enough victories to get in the tournament this year but he hardly ever out-coaches anyone. (See: the UK game where he got dog-walked by Mark Pope). His entire coaching career, outside of catching lightning in a bottle for a deep run at Loyola, has been mediocre. We can do better.
 
steverocks35 said:
Capel got fired for losing. That’s what “exactly this” meant. Reading comprehension may not be a strong suit for you.

I thought Moser should have been fired after last season, missing the tournament for the third straight year. He eked out enough victories to get in the tournament this year but he hardly ever out-coaches anyone. (See: the UK game where he got dog-walked by Mark Pope). His entire coaching career, outside of catching lightning in a bottle for a deep run at Loyola, has been mediocre. We can do better.
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And again, I repeat it isn't "exactly this". My reading comprehension is just fine.

You wanted the guy fired after winning 20 games?!? You start firing coaches that win 20 games a year because you think you can "do better" and what types of coaches are going to apply for that job? Moser isn't the perfect coach, but the guy has won 20 games this year in the toughest conference without ever having the full team he recruited and expected to have which happened right before the season started. One of them if not both were going to be starters if not important pieces off the bench. That isn't something that you are normally prepared for, and all the guy did was rip of a 13-0 start with his "awful" coaching. Did they catch some breaks along the way? Of course they did. But to discredit the work they have done last year and especially this year is an odd hill to die on in my opinion.

Some of the losses for sure are/were hard to stomach. But playing the what if game, would it change your opinion on how "bad" of a coach the guy is had they won the LSU game, one of the A&M games, the first Texas game, one of the Kentucky games and the Ole miss game? I mean that would make the record 25-8 with probably a 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. Obviously, that didn't happen so he sucks as a coach and should be fired or move on according to some. But had that happened, some of the board would be HOPING that someone else would take him based off his success this year because OU could STILL do better. Moser can't win either way with a lot of the fan base.
 
Maverick008 said:
And again, I repeat it isn't "exactly this". My reading comprehension is just fine.

You wanted the guy fired after winning 20 games?!? You start firing coaches that win 20 games a year because you think you can "do better" and what types of coaches are going to apply for that job? Moser isn't the perfect coach, but the guy has won 20 games this year in the toughest conference without ever having the full team he recruited and expected to have which happened right before the season started. One of them if not both were going to be starters if not important pieces off the bench. That isn't something that you are normally prepared for, and all the guy did was rip of a 13-0 start with his "awful" coaching. Did they catch some breaks along the way? Of course they did. But to discredit the work they have done last year and especially this year is an odd hill to die on in my opinion.

Some of the losses for sure are/were hard to stomach. But playing the what if game, would it change your opinion on how "bad" of a coach the guy is had they won the LSU game, one of the A&M games, the first Texas game, one of the Kentucky games and the Ole miss game? I mean that would make the record 25-8 with probably a 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. Obviously, that didn't happen so he sucks as a coach and should be fired or move on according to some. But had that happened, some of the board would be HOPING that someone else would take him based off his success this year because OU could STILL do better. Moser can't win either way with a lot of the fan base.
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AGAIN “exactly this” was in reference to Capel. You can’t possibly be this dense.
 
steverocks35 said:
AGAIN “exactly this” was in reference to Capel. You can’t possibly be this dense.
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Do you have to respond with an attacking comment every time someone doesn't agree with you, or can you have a normal conversation? My comments were more based off your comment a couple of comments before the "exactly this" comment which was:

"You act like this is somehow disqualifying. If the coach is a good coach who gets the most out of his players and WINS they will be at a school as long as they want. I mean, Dan Hurley is as dickish as it comes but you’d be crazy to not want him to be your coach over a bad coach like Moser."

Hopefully that helps you figure out where the rest of my information came from.
 
Maverick008 said:
And again, I repeat it isn't "exactly this". My reading comprehension is just fine.

You wanted the guy fired after winning 20 games?!? You start firing coaches that win 20 games a year because you think you can "do better" and what types of coaches are going to apply for that job? Moser isn't the perfect coach, but the guy has won 20 games this year in the toughest conference without ever having the full team he recruited and expected to have which happened right before the season started. One of them if not both were going to be starters if not important pieces off the bench. That isn't something that you are normally prepared for, and all the guy did was rip of a 13-0 start with his "awful" coaching. Did they catch some breaks along the way? Of course they did. But to discredit the work they have done last year and especially this year is an odd hill to die on in my opinion.

Some of the losses for sure are/were hard to stomach. But playing the what if game, would it change your opinion on how "bad" of a coach the guy is had they won the LSU game, one of the A&M games, the first Texas game, one of the Kentucky games and the Ole miss game? I mean that would make the record 25-8 with probably a 2 or 3 seed in the tournament. Obviously, that didn't happen so he sucks as a coach and should be fired or move on according to some. But had that happened, some of the board would be HOPING that someone else would take him based off his success this year because OU could STILL do better. Moser can't win either way with a lot of the fan base.
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I mean I'd still immediately take "bucky" ball and a handful of coaches immediately over pm for the exact reasons you stated in your post. We blew a lot of easily winnable games this year where decent x's and o's would/could have easily been the difference..
 
Maverick008 said:
Do you have to respond with an attacking comment every time someone doesn't agree with you, or can you have a normal conversation? My comments were more based off your comment a couple of comments before the "exactly this" comment which was:

"You act like this is somehow disqualifying. If the coach is a good coach who gets the most out of his players and WINS they will be at a school as long as they want. I mean, Dan Hurley is as dickish as it comes but you’d be crazy to not want him to be your coach over a bad coach like Moser."

Hopefully that helps you figure out where the rest of my information came from.
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You said “it isn’t ’exactly this’” and went on some screed about Moser when “exactly this” only referred to Capel. Do you see where you went off the rails now?
 
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