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If Coach Moser doesn't manage to bring Harmon into the fold, we need a point guard too -- unless you're ok with having a true freshman running the point.
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If Coach Moser doesn't manage to bring Harmon into the fold, we need a point guard too -- unless you're ok with having a true freshman running the point.
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My guess... he’s gone. Kentucky if they offer.
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after reading the interview with Harmon's folks...I don't know if it would be good or bad. Lots of "we" statements in there from pops.
On the other hand...they want him to be a PG...so there is that...
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This last few weeks have been stressful to the max. But I am a glutton and renewed my season tickets like I do every year. I am not willing to give up on the guys that want to be at OU and I think Porter might surprise some of us and put out a competitive team.
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Oh, I'm not expecting him to come back either, but I'm holding out hope until he makes his final decision.
Frankly, I am very thankful for OU softball right now. Recent developments in Sooner hoops have me feeling a bit despondent. I fear Joe C. overestimated the appeal Coach Moser holds for Power 5-level players.
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Porter will be fine.
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There's a good chance the next few years are like Kelvin's first 5 or 6 years. Solid, fundamental, winning basketball that doesn't look pretty and doesn't win conference or national championships ... if Moser can begin to get top tier players, he can turn that into something bigger.
I'm not worried about Moser and P5 level players.
I think we just need to stop thinking we're going to have top 10/15 recruiting classes. We'll get 4 star players that want to be here for 3+ years, not 1 and dones or 2 and dones.
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And hopefully no pie in the sky projects for the interior/post.
Doubtful. He'll have UK and many others wanting him.
There's plenty of PG type players in the portal. Unfortunately, this is a new staff, so connections to who we are going after aren't going to be there this offseason, so we'll have to rely on the players themselves to talk to reporters and say OU has reached out for us to know.
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Wonder if this helps us with Groves. They already have Timmy Allen. I would assume you pencil in Bishop and Allen as starters as the two forward spots. Groves might be able to beat out Bishop for a starting spot, but his brother’s going to be buried on the depth chart in the front court and can’t play a true guard position. I would think they would both want a good situation to play.
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Legit concern.
Can we at least give the guy a month on the job first?
After that, if we've landed no helpful portal targets, we can discuss it as a legitimate concern.
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I’m curious to hear your insight on what Coach Moser’s appeal or lack there of for Power 5-level players is? I must have missed the memo that he didn’t realize or doesn’t care that there is better overall talent in the Power 5 conferences. Clearly his team/s was/were over matched by those power 5 conferences on their way to a final four/sweet 16.
As another poster said, why don’t we give the guy a second to recruit some players, portal and high school/juco talent before we claim to know what his appeal or lack there of it for Power 5 players? We already have other posters wanting to turn away a PG from Duke as well. Crazy world we live in that one player a lot of the board bashed all the time transfers to UNC and now we bash a coach for trying to bring in a player from Duke....
In two years if Coach Moser has had 2 classes come and go and hasn’t signed one four star type player through all the routes mentioned above and the results all below average, then sure lets bag on the guy. But 2 weeks into his tenure we are second guessing his recruiting because he has only signed one 3 star top 250 player seems to be a little premature.
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Lol. Bring in 2/3 dudes the caliber of harkless and Gibson and we’ll be just fine. He’s been the coach for 2 weeks!
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I have none, other than the fact that several players have left (or seemingly are on the verge of doing so) and no others have come in (except a freshman PG, and while I'm eager to see what he can do and I'm certainly not writing him off, I can't help but recall that, had our previous coach brought in the #265 player, he certainly would not have been celebrated for it).
Someone else mentioned that we're not seeing the "excitement boost" (that's likely not the term they used) in recruiting/transfers that one so often sees after a supposedly splashy new hire. Compare and contrast what's occurred at texas in less than two weeks (though I'm the first to admit that I think Beard a shady coach so I'm skeptical of his early results and I would not have Coach Moser resort to the tactics that I think Beard uses).
Some seem willing to wait three or four years for Coach Moser to get "his guys" in before we're good. I find that notion disheartening; I'm not that patient. We had a solid team returning, had Coach Kruger not retired (plus, who knows which incoming transfers Lon may have had in the works), but several of those players have left with, so far, no replacements signed, aside from a freshman PG. If Moser is the home run hire he's been sold as, then yes, I do expect quicker results, given the purported bounty awaiting us via the transfer portal. Two or three of our former players have signed elsewhere and texas is stocking up on players -- why not us?
My hair's not on fire -- I'm just eager for some good news, some assurance that we're going to be a competitive team next year. I wish Brady hadn't left, that Harmon was committed to being a Sooner, that Victor and Alondes were sticking around, and again, if Moser is such a home run hire, I wonder why these guys are leaving. That's why I think players may be skeptical of a guy who hasn't had P5 experience. Is that fair of them to write him off for that reason? Probably not, but so far, it seems as if it could be a thing.
Rest assured, I will eat crow early and often if my concerns prove unfounded. But so far, there's no evidence that they are.
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It was one of MY concerns when we hired him. So yes, it's STILL a concern for me.
I haven't seen it as MUCH on this board, but yeah, when he was hired, there were a lot of OU fans that thought we'd start recruiting at a really high level. They thought he'd pull a guy or two from Loyola. They thought we'd immediately pull talent from Chicago. They thought b/c of his recent NCAA Tournament runs, he'd be able to walk into the homes of some of these recruits (metaforically) and start increasing the type of talent we had.
You don't bring in a guy like Moser and expect to lose guys like Harmon (if he transfers), Manek (who did transfer), and even Williams. We didn't get the Creighton dude. We didn't get a couple of the other early transfer targets. It doesn't look like Krutwig is coming. I still think we're a long shot to land the Groves brothers (though I'm trying to be optimistic, b/c I'd like both of them). We make a final list including Oregon State (I don't care about their recent run) and WSU for a pg that averaged less than 6 ppg while shooting 38% from the field. We don't appear to have a realistic shot at Bryce Thompson. All the while Harmon, Thompson, and Bishop have either committed to or are flirting with other Big 12 teams.
I get it. We can strike out this year and Moser can still turn out to be a solid hire. I'm not 100% writing him off. But one of the main benefits to hiring him was supposed to be his ability to bring in recruits, based largely on his name and recent NCAA Tournament success. It looks to me like the kids that have aspirations of playing professionally don't think his offense can get him there. If we field a crap sandwich of a team next year, that just makes Moser's job that much more difficult going forward. I'm all for a team that plays hard, plays together, and has good culture, but we can't be completely void of talent.
Maybe I'm overreacting. Maybe we land the land Groves brothers and my concerns are somewhat mooted. Maybe Krutwig comes after all, and Moser manages to land a couple other transfers that are some-what high level that aren't on us as fans' radars right now. But this was the biggest question from day 1 on Moser.....how would he recruit, and what would top 100 talent think of his offense. Reading between the lines, it's clear to me that Harmon and his camp don't think the Moser offense will get him drafted. I'd argue the Bryce Thompson camp feels the same way.
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