Robert Allen thinks Marcus Smart is coming back

TheGimper said:
Draftexpress.com and NBAdraft.net are the two most frequented NBA draft websites. They update fairly often, each sometimes hits and misses on where prospects are going to go. But they both have solid draft coverage as the season is going on.

As of Feb. 28th Draftexpress (in their full two rounds draft) has:
1st round:
#2 Ben McLemore
#6 Marcus Smart
#10 Isaiah Austin
#25 LeBryan Nash
#27 Jeff Withey
2nd round:
#9 Myck Kabongo

They updated their Top 25 picks on March 12th:
#2 Ben McLemore
#5 Marcus Smart
#12 Isaiah Austin

Nbadraft.net has (updated March 5th):
#1 Ben McLemore
#2 Marcus Smart
#18 Myck Kabongo
#19 Markel Brown
#26 Isaiah Austin
#28 Jeff Withey
2nd Round:
#8 Cory Jefferson
#55 Amath M'Baye
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DraftExpress is more reputable, Jonathan Givony does a great job running that site.
 
Smart's a really good player but I don't know what position he plays in the NBA. He doesn't really have the handles to be a PG and he is too small and doesn't have a good enough jumpshot to be a SG. Maybe he will be a poor man's Russell Westbrook, we'll see.
 
Robert Allen is about 400 pounds of live entertainment. All of us know that he is just a bastion of knowledge. His reputation is impeccable. :facepalm
 
bgrch1350 said:
Forte's problem is that he takes bad shots. There contested, there forced, there way beyond the arc. He's proven that he can make them and he's also proven that he's going to miss way more than he makes.
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This sounds to me like someone who has watched about 3 OSU games.

I've lost count of the number completely wide open 3s that Forte has missed over the past three weeks.

And I can't remember the last time he took a 3-point shot "way behind the arc."
 
Smart could grow into a Tony Allen. Allen was not much of a outside threat. nbadraft.net is pretty horrible.
 
TheGimper said:
Smart is nowhere near the on-ball defender Allen was while in college.
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"Nowhere near?" Come on.

Smart led the league in steals as a true freshman and pulled down nearly 6 rebounds per game as a point guard. Tony Allen was/is a GREAT defender, but he also was doing that work as a junior/senior.

If there were some alternate universe where Smart stayed for 4 years, he would be an absolutely dominant defender by the time he's a junior/senior.

In the real world, he'll be 2-3 years into his NBA career at that point.
 
Based on everything I have read or heard about Smart and Allen, Smart is a much better person.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
"Nowhere near?" Come on.

Smart led the league in steals as a true freshman and pulled down nearly 6 rebounds per game as a point guard. Tony Allen was/is a GREAT defender, but he also was doing that work as a junior/senior.

If there were some alternate universe where Smart stayed for 4 years, he would be an absolutely dominant defender by the time he's a junior/senior.

In the real world, he'll be 2-3 years into his NBA career at that point.
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Jeff, LOL. Your man crush for Smart is humorous. Did you watch the game last Saturday against K-State. Smart didn't get close to bothering Angel OR get a steal from him. In fact, Smart had a hard time staying with him. The Big-12 is way down and Smart can "sometimes" do great things against the lesser competition. I tend to see how they play against BETTER players. Angel for K-State is an awesome guard and Smart didn't cause him any problems. Don't give me steals stats, let me know how they do when playing the best.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
"Nowhere near?" Come on.

Smart led the league in steals as a true freshman and pulled down nearly 6 rebounds per game as a point guard. Tony Allen was/is a GREAT defender, but he also was doing that work as a junior/senior.

If there were some alternate universe where Smart stayed for 4 years, he would be an absolutely dominant defender by the time he's a junior/senior.

In the real world, he'll be 2-3 years into his NBA career at that point.
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smart is not that quick .. so no he is not in the same world as allen as a defender
 
vbdad said:
Smart is a stud and will be a very high pick. If he stays it is time to look at Boone's payroll for Marcus' mom's name.
Nash is immature and isn't ready for the NBA but if I was an osu fan I would want him to go based on his body language. Brown is the exact opposite IMO. I hope he decides to leave because that will hurt them a bunch.
Willie Warren was never a lottery pick and was basically a smaller version of Nash.

KU has talent but not as much as in the recent past. Young is fair, Relaford and Johnson are nice players but nothing special and they have no bench. Ellis has developed yet.
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Willie Warren would have been a lottery pick after his freshman year. He came back to try to do the same thing that Blake did. Rise from the 10-12 area to the top 3. Obviously didn't work out for him, and that's why I feel so bad for him. Lost millions of dollars to come back and play for OU. It's also why I can't in good conscience recommend that any projected lottery pick return to school in CBB. The reward just doesn't outweigh the risk. If you're good, you'll get that second big contract and it won't matter where you went in the original draft. Rookie contracts are chump change compared to your second contract, and it will even itself out anyway as you'll get an extra year playing in the league. On the other hand, if you have a bad sophomore year and fall out of the draft, you're never going to make that money back.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
This sounds to me like someone who has watched about 3 OSU games.

I've lost count of the number completely wide open 3s that Forte has missed over the past three weeks.

And I can't remember the last time he took a 3-point shot "way behind the arc."
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i've watched every OSU game. Forte forces a lot of shots.

Do you really believe that he is wide open 7 times a game from beyond the arc.

4-12
2-8
4-7
0-5
3-8
2-7
3-13
1-8


He forces so many shots.
 
sperry said:
Willie Warren would have been a lottery pick after his freshman year. He came back to try to do the same thing that Blake did. Rise from the 10-12 area to the top 3. Obviously didn't work out for him, and that's why I feel so bad for him. Lost millions of dollars to come back and play for OU. It's also why I can't in good conscience recommend that any projected lottery pick return to school in CBB. The reward just doesn't outweigh the risk. If you're good, you'll get that second big contract and it won't matter where you went in the original draft. Rookie contracts are chump change compared to your second contract, and it will even itself out anyway as you'll get an extra year playing in the league. On the other hand, if you have a bad sophomore year and fall out of the draft, you're never going to make that money back.
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Maybe if Warren would have stayed another year or 2, he wouldn't have lost millions of dollars. It was obvious that he wasn't ready for the NBA and yet he made a bad decision to leave early.
 
Vinny78 said:
Jeff, LOL. Your man crush for Smart is humorous. Did you watch the game last Saturday against K-State. Smart didn't get close to bothering Angel OR get a steal from him. In fact, Smart had a hard time staying with him. The Big-12 is way down and Smart can "sometimes" do great things against the lesser competition. I tend to see how they play against BETTER players. Angel for K-State is an awesome guard and Smart didn't cause him any problems. Don't give me steals stats, let me know how they do when playing the best.
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I think one game is the perfect sample size to evaluate someone's defensive abilities. Well done.

Also -- Smart didn't cause Angel Rodrigeuz "any problems", huh? So committing 4 of K-State's 9 turnovers and 3 of 16 shooting is "no problems," huh?

Yeah - Smart clearly had a very poor defensive game against Rodriguez.

Brilliant analysis.

smart is not that quick .. so no he is not in the same world as allen as a defender
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Again you're comparing Smart as a true freshman to Tony Allen when he was a junior/senior.

And also again, Smart led the league and was 3rd in the country in steals. Does someone who is "not that quick" generally end up 3rd in the country in steals?
 
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oSuJeff97 said:
I think one game is the perfect sample size to evaluate someone's defensive abilities. Well done.

Also -- Smart didn't cause Angel Rodrigeuz "any problems", huh? So 4 of K-State's 9 turnovers and 3 of 16 shooting is "no problems," huh?

Yeah - Smart clearly had a very poor defensive game against Rodriguez.

Brilliant analysis.



Again you're comparing Smart as a true freshman to Tony Allen when he was a junior/senior.

And also again, Smart led the league and was 3rd in the country in steals. Does someone who is "not that quick" generally end up 3rd in the country in steals?
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gambles a lot
 
bgrch1350 said:
Maybe if Warren would have stayed another year or 2, he wouldn't have lost millions of dollars. It was obvious that he wasn't ready for the NBA and yet he made a bad decision to leave early.
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Or his stock could have dropped to the point that he wouldn't have even been drafted.

In terms of draft stock, the bar is significantly higher for upperclassmen. Warren would have had to make huge strides to play his way back into the first round. Considering the train wreck of a program he would've been returning to as a junior, it wasn't an ideal situation for a player trying to improve his draft stock.

Even if he had miraculously played his way back into the lottery as a junior or senior year, he still would have lost millions over those years given that he could've had the same money after his freshman year.

sperry said:
Willie Warren would have been a lottery pick after his freshman year. He came back to try to do the same thing that Blake did. Rise from the 10-12 area to the top 3. Obviously didn't work out for him, and that's why I feel so bad for him. Lost millions of dollars to come back and play for OU. It's also why I can't in good conscience recommend that any projected lottery pick return to school in CBB. The reward just doesn't outweigh the risk. If you're good, you'll get that second big contract and it won't matter where you went in the original draft. Rookie contracts are chump change compared to your second contract, and it will even itself out anyway as you'll get an extra year playing in the league. On the other hand, if you have a bad sophomore year and fall out of the draft, you're never going to make that money back.
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I feel the same way now.

Everyone wants to talk about guys who returned to school and improved their draft stock, or attribute every early-entry bust to leaving too soon, but there is a lot of potential downside to staying in school. Some guys return to school only to have their warts exposed or fail to progress as much scouts expected; other guys leave school early and get exposed while collecting a paycheck. That's not to say there isn't an upside to returning to school; rather, there is an element of risk that's not appreciated enough. Most fans only think about that risk in terms of potential injuries, but that's not even the most probable risk IMO.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
I see.

He's the world's luckiest gambler.

That seems like a much more logical reason for his steals than he's quick and athletic.
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That's false dichotomy.

The problem with that stat is that it does reward gambling defense, so that people mistakenly use it to present athletic but unsounded defenders as better defenders than they actually are. I'm not saying that about Smart; it's just that steals say a lot more about a player's athleticism, quickness, and/or willingness to gamble than it does the quality of their defensive play.

The problem with Tony Allen comparisons is that a number of NBA players have comparable physical ability, but very few defend as well as he does. A major reason why he's able to play with so much intensity and focus on the defensive end is that he plays less than 30 minutes a game and is asked to do very little on offense. When you're talking about a perimeter player that is the focal point of a team's offense, it's incredibly difficult to play with that intensity on both ends for 35-40 minutes a game. That's why you see so many NBA players whose effort becomes noticeably worse on the defensive end as their offensive responsibilities grow.

If Marcus Smart ends up being as good as he's projected to be offensively, it's highly unlikely he'll consistently play like Tony Allen on the other end of the floor.
 
OsWho fans are not rational when it comes to Marcus Smart.
He's a very good player with lots of heart and intangibles but if this wasn't such a down year in college basketball he wouldn't be receiving near this level of hype. He pulled a disappearing act in several games this year and Releford may be a better pro player in the long run.

I also don't see what position he's going to play in the NBA unless he becomes a much better shooter or a much better ball-handler.
 
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