Slightly Off Topic

[DenverSooner]

I sure hope no one is named is named the HCIW. That is a very dumb thing to do, especially if it becomes public. It is one thing to tell someone look we really like you, you are a guy that could be Bob's successor. It is another to make that public. Why should the other coaches care if the decision is already made? Why should the HCIW care if the decision is already made. It is a demotivating thing that was likely invented by some worthless consultant.

If someone doesn't want to wait their turn good luck to them.

 

[campbest]

2011: Lost to LSU at home (the Tigers were #4, but the fans who rag on Stoops wouldn't accept such a home loss -- ND and KSU were highly ranked last season, too) and unranked USC at home.

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LSU game was at a neutral site in Dallas (splitting hairs, probably a home game for the Tigers).

 

[CoachTalk]

Please LOCK this thread... Roid rage is taking over! Fire Saban... He's getting too old for college football. We need young guys running football teams!

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I sure hope no one is named is named the HCIW. That is a very dumb thing to do, especially if it becomes public. It is one thing to tell someone look we really like you, you are a guy that could be Bob's successor. It is another to make that public. Why should the other coaches care if the decision is already made? Why should the HCIW care if the decision is already made. It is a demotivating thing that was likely invented by some worthless consultant.

If someone doesn't want to wait their turn good luck to them.

I agree. I didn't mean to imply that OU should name a HCIY. Just wondering what people's thoughts are on who will be the next coach if Bob retires soon

 

[skyvue]

LSU game was at a neutral site in Dallas (splitting hairs, probably a home game for the Tigers).

Thanks for the correction.

 

[DenverSooner]

Please LOCK this thread... Roid rage is taking over! Fire Saban... He's getting too old for college football. We need young guys running football teams!

Why? If you don't like it don't participate. I like the people on this board. I have communicated with many of them for a decade or more. A thread a year about football isn't going to kill this board.

 

[bocabull]

I don't think Stoops will be going much longer anyways...he is what mid 50s? He has said he doesn't want to coach til he is too old b/c of his family's heart issues.

Any chance Mike would be given the reigns if Bob retired in a couple of years? Or is he too "wild". God help us if Heuple is named HCIW

1. Stoops is signed through 2020 and I don't expect that to be his last contract.
2. If you watched the Mike Stoops chaos at UA then you would not have him on any short list.
3. There are probably better candidates than Heupel out there to be our OC, none of which would be thriving with Bell under center.

I agree that it was surprising we didn't see Knight some late in the game just to see how he fared. It couldn't have been much worse. No knock on Bell, being an elite BCS level QB is 1 in a million. To even take a snap under center at a program like OU you have to be an incredible player.

 

[DenverSooner]

Look there is no doubt Stoops is way better than average. But after 15 years it's apparent that he's not obsessed on the level of a Nick Saban, Pete Carroll, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc that is required for generational greatness.

I've never advocated getting rid of him. Just expect the worst and you won't be surprised when the unexpected ambushes occur.

Or just hope for the best without unrealistic expectations and when things do not work out perfectly don't have a melt down based on a completely ridiculous perception of how things should be or are for other schools.

 

[bocabull]

Hoping for the best with Stoops is a fools game. Unless, like it must be for Denver, the best is never winning a game against a better team, but losing to inferior teams regularly. The best means losing every single BCS game vs any real team.

When you make $5mil a year a reasonable expectation is you won't get clowned every single time out against real teams. But that expectation is folly with Stoops. Expect to lose all those games and you will be 90% right.

 

[WaymanFan]

Hoping for the best with Stoops is a fools game. Unless, like it must be for Denver, the best is never winning a game against a better team, but losing to inferior teams regularly. The best means losing every single BCS game vs any real team.

When you make $5mil a year a reasonable expectation is you won't get clowned every single time out against real teams. But that expectation is folly with Stoops. Expect to lose all those games and you will be 90% right.

You're not as far off base here as many would think. The main reason for not being able to hang with some of the best opponents and sometimes losing to inferior ones is RECRUITING. It really has little to do with things like preparation, motivation, etc. The talent just isn't there. We're not in the top 10 of current NFL alum and I don't see a single future Pro-Bowl player on any of the past three teams (except maybe Lane Johnson). Obviously, that's Coach Stoops fault. Last year's front 7 on defense was the least talented I had seen in my 40+ years as a fan...and yes, that includes the John Blake era (he at least had Kelly Gregg). The head coach does have to bear the bulk of that responsibility.

 

[AdaSooner]

You're not as far off base here as many would think. The main reason for not being able to hang with some of the best opponents and sometimes losing to inferior ones is RECRUITING. It really has little to do with things like preparation, motivation, etc. The talent just isn't there. We're not in the top 10 of current NFL alum and I don't see a single future Pro-Bowl player on any of the past three teams (except maybe Lane Johnson). Obviously, that's Coach Stoops fault. Last year's front 7 on defense was the least talented I had seen in my 40+ years as a fan...and yes, that includes the John Blake era (he at least had Kelly Gregg). The head coach does have to bear the bulk of that responsibility.

Bingo! You can also add coaching to your list.

Face it, Bob Stoops lost his edge several years ago. He has not recruited well, coached well, or performed well in hiring assistants in a very long time. When the buddy system doesn't work he seems to be the last one to know. More correctly, it's likely he's too stubborn to admit he made a mistake.

If two or three loss seasons, a chance at a conference title and playing in an occasional NC makes you happy, Bob is your man. Just don't expect OU to win a national championship anytime soon. Sure, winning a NC is tough. Most schools would love to be in OU's shoes. But even in the years when OU has made it to the title game, when was the last time a Bob Stoops coached team played like it belonged?

I said several years ago that OU will never win another national title under Stoops. Season after season he continues to prove me right.

 

[skyvue]

even in the years when OU has made it to the title game, when was the last time a Bob Stoops coached team played like it belonged?

I can think of just one national title game in which we didn't play like we belonged.

The Florida and LSU losses (both played in the opponents' backyard) were hard-fought, competitive games. If Jason White had been healthy and Demarco Murray had played, we might well have won both.

Who would you hire tomorrow that you could assure us would do a better job than Bob Stoops? Let's take Saban off the table (and I'd take Meyer off the table, too, for the slime factor).

Who's the miracle-worker we need to bring in?

 

[DenverSooner]

Bingo! You can also add coaching to your list.

Face it, Bob Stoops lost his edge several years ago. He has not recruited well, coached well, or performed well in hiring assistants in a very long time. When the buddy system doesn't work he seems to be the last one to know. More correctly, it's likely he's too stubborn to admit he made a mistake.

If two or three loss seasons, a chance at a conference title and playing in an occasional NC makes you happy, Bob is your man. Just don't expect OU to win a national championship anytime soon. Sure, winning a NC is tough. Most schools would love to be in OU's shoes. But even in the years when OU has made it to the title game, when was the last time a Bob Stoops coached team played like it belonged?

I said several years ago that OU will never win another national title under Stoops. Season after season he continues to prove me right.

I think you are way off base. In 2008 if OU scores at the half rather than turn the ball over, I think the Sooners win that game. In 2009 if OU doesn't have the injuries, I think OU plays for another NC.

Oklahoma lost 5 games in 2009. 4 of those losses were by a total of 12 points. The defense that season was very good. OU had 3 shutouts that season and 5 other games where they gave up 14 or less (14 only one of those). OU gave up an average of 15 points and 6 of OU's opponents were ranked when OU played them. Either Bradford or Gresham was easily worth those 12 points.

After that OU went 12-2, 10-3, and 10-3. I just don't see this down turn in the program that people see. I think but for the injuries in 2008 and Stoops would have averaged over 11 wins a season from 2008-2012.

 

[WTSooner]

If two or three loss seasons, a chance at a conference title and playing in an occasional NC makes you happy, Bob is your man.

Everybody outside of Bama right now would take that.

OU fans have ridiculous standards. Not singling you out Ada, but what programs have done better than OU since Bob's first year? I'll tell you who.....Bama and probably Florida. That is where the list stops. Maybe LSU, can't remember if they have two NC's during that time or not, but that might push them ahead of OU.

Has OU been trending down a bit the past few years? Sure. That is bound to happen though when you are at the top for so long. It'll happen to Bama at some point too. It happened to USC. To ND. To Florida. And having the SEC take off, and having aTm leave for the SEC, certainly hasn't helped. This stuff is cyclical, and OU will be back on top at some point. Instead of whining about 2-3 loss seasons, I suggest OU fans look around the country at some of the other "powers" and see how far they've fallen. Or simply remember our own history. I'd think most OU fans would take the last 3-5 seasons as our "down years", instead of what Blake, Smellsofbourbon, and to a lesser extent, Gibbs put us through.

 

[WTSooner]

And as for losing the big games, that is just it, if OU wins, nobody wants to consider it a big game. Lose, and boy, OU cannot win the big games.

OU has had terrible luck in some of those BCS games. Even going back to the NC game that we won. Heupel's elbow was in terrible shape for that game, and we play FSU in their back yard. I won't make any excuses for the USC game, we got our butts kicked. But then we play LSU in their back yard, with another banged up QB, lose by 7 in a game where we threw a Pick 6 and was driving late only to miss on 4 straight passes, and OU fans would have you think LSU kicked out butts. Same with the Florida game. Play Florida in their back yards, without our starting RB and most dynamic player, lose a close one that we were in until the end, and OU fans act like it was the USC game all over again.

Bob could pretty easily be 3-1 or at least 2-2 in those games. Just wasn't mean to be. But we've won plenty of big regular season and Big 12 Championship games in recent memory. And the equal talent argument is lame too, since most OU fans assume our talent is always better than just about everybody. So every game we lose is to less talented teams.

 

[skyvue]

And as for losing the big games, that is just it, if OU wins, nobody wants to consider it a big game. Lose, and boy, OU cannot win the big games.

Exactly.

 

[bocabull]

And as for losing the big games, that is just it, if OU wins, nobody wants to consider it a big game. Lose, and boy, OU cannot win the big games.

What are we using Mack Brown's lines now? lol

Name a big game OU has won? Are we really going to call beating Missouri and their band of 2-3 stars a big game? Beating Okie State big? Texas Tech at home?

A big game is when you beat a legit top 15 program, that consistently has top 15 recruiting classes, when they are playing at a high level.

 

[WTSooner]

What are we using Mack Brown's lines now? lol

Name a big game OU has won? Are we really going to call beating Missouri and their band of 2-3 stars a big game? Beating Okie State big? Texas Tech at home?

A big game is when you beat a legit top 15 program, that consistently has top 15 recruiting classes, when they are playing at a high level.

BS.

Besides, how many games have we played against such programs in the last five years? Any at all? Does ND not fit that description? Texas, we've beaten them before when they were good. There you go again, defining "big game" the way you want, to get the results you want. Say what you want, but that game against TT in 2008 (I think) sure was portrayed as a big game around the country. Some of the recent OSU games too. I don't give a flying crap about their history, OSU has had a pretty solid football team in recent seasons.

 

[skyvue]

Are we really going to call beating Missouri and their band of 2-3 stars a big game?

Yes, I call soundly defeating the #1 team in the country -- in the final week of the regular season -- a big win.

 

[skyvue]

Funny how Bama gets plenty of credit for beating A&M in a shootout earlier this year, but we get no credit for beating a top-ranked Missouri team or a #2 Tech squad, in what were arguably among the biggest games in those programs' respective histories. We kept both from playing for the national title.