So, what needs to change?

[Dcox]

Someone should tell our boosters that, considering we're last in facilities and pay the 5th most for a coach who has been to 2 final fours in the conference.


This is like K State or Texas Tech fans thinking they should be in top bowl game every year.

We have been to 5 final fours.
Tech has been to zero final fours.

 

[chuckb]

Disagree. All I ask for is a little heart, a little fire and intensity. Who cares about making the tournament when your team is a dumpster fire?

The players care about making the tournament. The fans care about making the tournament. The coaches, the managers, the AD...everyone associated with the basketball program. Anyone associated with OU athletics in general...they care about making the tournament.

I doubt anyone really cares that you don't care.

 

[opsooner]

It’s not just about results. It’s about what is occurring on the court. We have no offensive movement, we don’t play good defense, we appear to have no training on finishing at the rim. I can handle losing to superior talent but that is not the usual case. Name the OU player who is playing better now than in December.

I agree with whoever said that we are not going to consistently get great players here with our fan base and with our inconsistency year to year. We proved why this year after we got a great player and we got worse as the season progressed. We need coaching and player development in the worst way at OU. Someone on the game thread compared this to a Blake team. I think that is a good comparison.


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[DenverSooner]

Things will return to normal after Trae leaves. Kruger sold his soul in the recruitment of Trae. Kruger isn't the one driving the bus at the moment. Rayford and Trae are in full control

Now We are going to blame Rayford? This is classless

 

[chuckb]

Now We are going to blame Rayford? This is classless

People have been blaming since a year before Trae committed. Why stop now?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Now We are going to blame Rayford? This is classless

you don't think lon made them some promises?
Rayford was outspoken about not wanting him to come here.

 

[Soonerinkc]

It is but its reality. We are a Football school and demand we make the final four there BUT if we make the tourney in basketball and every once in a while we get lucky and make the final four. I’m ok with that because that is WHO we are and it is reality. If some on here think OU is anything more in men’s basketball then they live in another world.

actually for a time there we had the most consecutive app in the tourney...of ANY school, let alone blue bloods.

We were the first school in (I believe) modern ncaa history to reach the championship game in both football and BASKETBALL in the same year, 1988. (we lost both)

Yeah, we are a "football" school, and I don't expect to be in the FF every year, hell even ku with their 14 straight b12 titles have only been to the FF 2 times under self. I DO expect a better product and it SHOULD happen.

 

[152219]

Agreed. And why my only hope nowadays is for the program to be relevant enough to the make the tournament. This fanbase actually doesn't deserve the success the program has had.

Bottom line is that OU fans are mediocre at best, and that even counts football.

 

[152219]

actually for a time there we had the most consecutive app in the tourney...of ANY school, let alone blue bloods.

We were the first school in (I believe) modern ncaa history to reach the championship game in both football and BASKETBALL in the same year, 1988. (we lost both)

Yeah, we are a "football" school, and I don't expect to be in the FF every year, hell even ku with their 14 straight b12 titles have only been to the FF 2 times under self. I DO expect a better product and it SHOULD happen.

I think that was most consecutive appearances in the post season, which included NIT appearances (garbage stat IMO, because the NIT is garbage and counting those appearances are a joke).

 

[sperry]

Coaching has to change. There is a problem in both our talent pipeline and our talent development.

You have a few guys on this roster who are not OU level talents, and several more who are fringe OU level guys. That absolutely kills the chances of a team that is going to have to rely on development of 4 year guys to compete. We have not evaluated guys well, and have ended up with a subpar roster as a result.

Then you have the talent development issue, which I think we can pretty clearly tie to the assistants that are gone. Because we watched Buddy and Isiah go from lost freshmen to all-conference+ players dominating in the NCAA tournament. But guys just aren't improving as much as they should. Lattin hasn't improved at all from his sophomore season. McNeace has not improved close to as much as he should have for a guy with his talent level.

The talent development piece seems to coincide with the loss of Henson and Hill. The Talent pipeline issue predates their leaving, though. Every class since the Buddy/Isiah/Hornbeak/Spangler class has left a lot to be desired.

 

[152219]

Coaching has to change. There is a problem in both our talent pipeline and our talent development.

You have a few guys on this roster who are not OU level talents, and several more who are fringe OU level guys. That absolutely kills the chances of a team that is going to have to rely on development of 4 year guys to compete. We have not evaluated guys well, and have ended up with a subpar roster as a result.

Then you have the talent development issue, which I think we can pretty clearly tie to the assistants that are gone. Because we watched Buddy and Isiah go from lost freshmen to all-conference+ players dominating in the NCAA tournament. But guys just aren't improving as much as they should. Lattin hasn't improved at all from his sophomore season. McNeace has not improved close to as much as he should have for a guy with his talent level.

The talent development piece seems to coincide with the loss of Henson and Hill. The Talent pipeline issue predates their leaving, though. Every class since the Buddy/Isiah/Hornbeak/Spangler class has left a lot to be desired.

McNeace has actually improved every year IMO. Could McNeace be better, absolutely, but he has at least continued to improve. The big head scratcher to me is Lattin. Lattin has the tools to be an All Conference player, at least 3rd team/Honorable Mention but he didn't improve really much at all in his 4 years. He is still best at being a weak side shot blocker and his FT shooting has improved, but that is about it.

 

[Soonerinkc]

I think that was most consecutive appearances in the post season, which included NIT appearances (garbage stat IMO, because the NIT is garbage and counting those appearances are a joke).

well, maybe so, but non of the blue bloods went to the NIT then...just saying we may not be a top 10 basketball school, but def top 30..or better.

 

[152219]

well, maybe so, but non of the blue bloods went to the NIT then...just saying we may not be a top 10 basketball school, but def top 30..or better.

OU is definitely a top 25 hoops program all-time and possibly top 20 (in the late teens to 20), but OU fans support it like it is Iowa State football. Heck, ISU supports their football team more than OU supports their hoops team.

 

[Sooner81]

actually for a time there we had the most consecutive app in the tourney...of ANY school, let alone blue bloods.

We were the first school in (I believe) modern ncaa history to reach the championship game in both football and BASKETBALL in the same year, 1988. (we lost both)

Yeah, we are a "football" school, and I don't expect to be in the FF every year, hell even ku with their 14 straight b12 titles have only been to the FF 2 times under self. I DO expect a better product and it SHOULD happen.

Sorry, but you can not count NIT appearances in consecutive appearances- that’s just crap. ONLY NCAA tourney appearances count.

 

[Matthew G]

Coaching has to change. There is a problem in both our talent pipeline and our talent development.

You have a few guys on this roster who are not OU level talents, and several more who are fringe OU level guys. That absolutely kills the chances of a team that is going to have to rely on development of 4 year guys to compete. We have not evaluated guys well, and have ended up with a subpar roster as a result.

Then you have the talent development issue, which I think we can pretty clearly tie to the assistants that are gone. Because we watched Buddy and Isiah go from lost freshmen to all-conference+ players dominating in the NCAA tournament. But guys just aren't improving as much as they should. Lattin hasn't improved at all from his sophomore season. McNeace has not improved close to as much as he should have for a guy with his talent level.

The talent development piece seems to coincide with the loss of Henson and Hill. The Talent pipeline issue predates their leaving, though. Every class since the Buddy/Isiah/Hornbeak/Spangler class has left a lot to be desired.

We’ve been over this multiple times but can anyone name any player Henson and Hill developed that wasn’t a gym rat like Cousins and Buddy were? Did they develop anyone from that 1st recruiting class? Anyone from the 2nd? Did they develop Dante Buford? What about all the other players that have come through. I feel like we give them a ton of credit for “developing” 2 guys who actually lived at the gym. Did they develop frank booker? Did they develop Strong? Did they develop Tyler Neal?

 

[BoulderSooner]

I mean, I'd love to win a lot more games, but you'd have to be blind to think players should want to come to OU, basketball players that is. "Come to OU, where 5k fans will show up, but if you win, you'll get maybe 10k to show up, but it will sound like 5k at the actual games. And also, work out in what is possibly the worst training facility. All this while nobody actually giving 2 craps about you because the football spring game is approaching and football recruiting happens during the season."


Yeah, OU should be attracting coaches and players with that. Reality is, we are a football school first. We don't invest much in basketball, so little, that we are begging the city to approve to pay for a brand new arena with tax $ because there's no way in hell OU can raise it themselves.

ou has among the best practice facilitys in the country and here in a couple of months will have the best strength workout facility in the country