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Using your definition:
How many Tier programs have there ever been or ever will be?
Please look it up before answering.
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Using your definition:
How many Tier programs have there ever been or ever will be?
Please look it up before answering.
I agree with some on here that the program will not be what it use to be under the current staff. As I said before if the administration doesn't care and or the coaching staff doesn't care not much fans can do other than not show up for games...That seems to be going on now. We all know there comes a time when a coach better days are behind them.
Is there any coach that you agree with?
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I'm surprised you would come straight out and criticize KM that way, but I agree her better days are bygone - especially if it comes out that the donors (who were "promised a national championship") are involved in nefarious acts in WBB recruiting.
It's been a few years, but I can remember when my daughter insisted that New Kids on the Block were the greatest singing group in history. Now, you never hear of them, and most younger people have no idea who they were. I can remember that my lab partner didn't know who Myrna Loy was. For some, it is all about today.
One of the schools mentioned as superior to OU was Louisville who has fewer NCAA appearances and final fours. Duke has a long history, but it is mostly in the past, and they have fewer finals fours. A lot of their history was while OU was still in the non-women's basketball prairie, awaiting the run. North Carolina has kind of fallen by the wayside.
We had a short run with LSU in which they went to four straight final fours. But, they aren't exactly killing anyone any more. We go through phases. Tier One----OK---Connecticut and Tennessee, and Tennessee had better hope this recruiting class pans out as good as it looks because they haven't been tearing up anyone in the past five years. Will they survive in the post-Summit years?
Attendance down? Newspaper readership is down. Viewership for ABC, CBS, and NBC are down---too many channels. Other than NYC, are there any cities left that still have two or more viable newspapers, and I understand that the Times has been considering going totally online. Dallas is down to one newspaper, and it has really declined in readership. By the time the morning paper comes, it is obsolete. Book readership is down. Church attendance is down. Saw a late-night blurb in which they showed college kids pictures of Biden and Reagan. Almost none of them knew who they were. But, every kid knew who Kim Khardasian was. Really? Why? This is just the world that we live in now.
It is obvious that Sherri Coale has the support of those who matter: Boren, Castiglione, and probably the donors. I wonder if the Stilettos would support a Kim Mulkey? The program could use one or two good players. I happen to think that Whitney Hand and Maddie Manning would have been those players if they had not been injured. I still believe that if Maddie comes back, we will make the Final Four next year. I think she has made that much progress mentally, and I prefer a seasoned Nancy, Vivi, Chelsea, and Gabbi to go with Ana, who I think will be what we need as a scorer. If Maddie returns, I think OU beats Texas (close) for first with Baylor falling to third.
Before you assign these lofty statuses to some of these schools, look at their actual history.
One of the schools mentioned as superior to OU was Louisville who has fewer NCAA appearances and final fours. Duke has a long history, but it is mostly in the past, and they have fewer finals fours. A lot of their history was while OU was still in the non-women's basketball prairie, awaiting the run. North Carolina has kind of fallen by the wayside.
We had a short run with LSU in which they went to four straight final fours. But, they aren't exactly killing anyone any more. We go through phases. Tier One----OK---Connecticut and Tennessee, and Tennessee had better hope this recruiting class pans out as good as it looks because they haven't been tearing up anyone in the past five years. Will they survive in the post-Summit years?
Attendance down? Newspaper readership is down. Viewership for ABC, CBS, and NBC are down---too many channels. Other than NYC, are there any cities left that still have two or more viable newspapers, and I understand that the Times has been considering going totally online. Dallas is down to one newspaper, and it has really declined in readership. By the time the morning paper comes, it is obsolete. Book readership is down. Church attendance is down. Saw a late-night blurb in which they showed college kids pictures of Biden and Reagan. Almost none of them knew who they were. But, every kid knew who Kim Khardasian was. Really? Why? This is just the world that we live in now.
It is obvious that Sherri Coale has the support of those who matter: Boren, Castiglione, and probably the donors. I wonder if the Stilettos would support a Kim Mulkey? The program could use one or two good players. I happen to think that Whitney Hand and Maddie Manning would have been those players if they had not been injured. I still believe that if Maddie comes back, we will make the Final Four next year. I think she has made that much progress mentally, and I prefer a seasoned Nancy, Vivi, Chelsea, and Gabbi to go with Ana, who I think will be what we need as a scorer. If Maddie returns, I think OU beats Texas (close) for first with Baylor falling to third.
Before you assign these lofty statuses to some of these schools, look at their actual history.
It's obvious that the approaching Valentine Day has you in a funk. I really think you and some others on here are big Coach Mulkey fans. Seems to be about the only thing on your mind....wait a minute I think I get it now about you and her
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You Sherri Coale sunshine pumpers can cherry-pick specific schools to back up your argument all day long. But, like it or not, OU is not now relevant nationally in the minds of most people outside of Oklahoma.
Question, why is "sooner" in your name?
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You are correct that there are multiple factors other than wins and losses that determine attendance. Television is a factor, basketball tradition and competition for the entertainment dollar it is doubtful that overall attendance for both the men's and women's game will approach the peaks of ten years ago.
But if you compare the 10 year percentage attendance 2007-2016 you can see that OU has definitely had a larger attendance loss than many of the other top school in women's basketball. OU's attendance in 2016 is off 54.4%.
Maryland's attendance is off 45.1%, Tennessee's off 29.1%, Texas' off 26.6%, UConn's off 17.4%, Baylor's off 0.2%, Iowa State up 10.4%, Notre Dame's up 32.6%, Louisville's up 206.2% and South Carolina's up 508.6%.
Given the impact of TV on attendance impacts all schools, OU not being a traditional a BB school and competition for the entertainment dollar by many sources success on the court would still appear to have had a greater impact on attendance than it has at the other major WBB schools.
Obviously ISU and Maryland are somewhat an anomaly as the cyclones program has fallen more than OU's and Maryland has continued to win on a bigger scale. Likewise Louisville and South Carolina have probably had the greatest improvement in their level of play over the last 10 years and they have also had the greatest growth in attendance numbers.
I would submit that the lack of on court success is the single biggest factor in the drop in attendance over the last decade. It is worthwhile to also note that the men's team made the Final Four and had a massive grow in attendance after moderate growth the preceding two years when they won big. As would be expected attendance in 2017 is again way down with their conference record now standing at 2-10.
Why would Iowa State be up if it was so dependent on success? I think we are just watching the natural entropy of interest.
South Carolina and Louisville are probably spiking because they, especially South Carolina, are strong when they weren't before. From nothing to something may produce some temporary attendance that drops off with time. I suspect it will subside.
South Carolina and Louisville are probably spiking because they, especially South Carolina, are strong when they weren't before. From nothing to something may produce some temporary attendance that drops off with time. I suspect it will subside.
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The number does not matter. My point is if you are not in the top 16 and get to host the first 2 rounds, you are not Tier 1. Look at who hosts each year.
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Been a hardcore Sooner fan since 1958, just a youngster, when my older brother, an OU grad introduced me to OU football and Bud Wilkinson era. Been to every OU/texASS game since 1985. Traveled with team to 2004 Sugar Bowl. Traveled to South Bend, Knoxville, Fiesta Bowl, Sugar Bowl, all away football conference games in Big 12, except Ames. I could go on. Lived in Oklahoma all my life except for 9 yrs growing up in Kansas as a result of my dad's job transfer. Have 2 degrees from OU including masters. Wife is OU grad. Daughter an OU grad. Season ticket holder in Football for over 35 yrs. Season ticket holder in men's and women's bball off and on for about 25 yrs. Donor, both in sports and other aspects of the university. Plan to get softball season tickets this year. Love OU in every possible way. But, I want and expect more than what I am seeing and getting in women's basketball. That enough for you? Can you match that?
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I think we were a Tier 1 program, and may still be on the cusp, but we are falling steadily.
No one can argue that the program is more than it was when Sherri came, but is now less than it was in Sherri's heyday. Some posters are right, we are no longer mentioned with the elite, unless it is related personally to Sherri's HOF career and what she has accomplished here.
But on Saturday I saw television commentators discussing the newly released standings/pairings of the top 16 teams that will be invited to the dance this year -- and we weren't one of them.
How do you account for that? Easily. The program isn't what it has been, good or bad.
Sherri's recruiting has picked up a bit in the last two to three years, I don't think any can argue that, and it is possible we will soon be back in Tier 1 status, or, at least, climbing whatever measurable chart is in existence.
But we aren't there yet. You don't get blown out by Baylor by 40 and have to come from 13 down against Texas Tech and call yourself a Tier 1 program.
As to Maddie and her future, I hope she does come back and she's is better than she's ever been. But I would think at this point she is risking some type of permanent disabling knee injury and, while I would love to have here back, it is my hope she moves on for her own health and future.
We need to turn the page and she is the lone remaining vestige of past glory except for our coaches, some of whom aren't that great.
No one can argue that the program is more than it was when Sherri came, but is now less than it was in Sherri's heyday. Some posters are right, we are no longer mentioned with the elite, unless it is related personally to Sherri's HOF career and what she has accomplished here.
But on Saturday I saw television commentators discussing the newly released standings/pairings of the top 16 teams that will be invited to the dance this year -- and we weren't one of them.
How do you account for that? Easily. The program isn't what it has been, good or bad.
Sherri's recruiting has picked up a bit in the last two to three years, I don't think any can argue that, and it is possible we will soon be back in Tier 1 status, or, at least, climbing whatever measurable chart is in existence.
But we aren't there yet. You don't get blown out by Baylor by 40 and have to come from 13 down against Texas Tech and call yourself a Tier 1 program.
As to Maddie and her future, I hope she does come back and she's is better than she's ever been. But I would think at this point she is risking some type of permanent disabling knee injury and, while I would love to have here back, it is my hope she moves on for her own health and future.
We need to turn the page and she is the lone remaining vestige of past glory except for our coaches, some of whom aren't that great.
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..OU should be paying you by nowI can exceed that.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. LOL
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I wish.fair weather fan
OK.
My children's great-grandparents and great-great uncles:
---two played football for OU in 1913-1917, one being All SWC
---one was one of the founding members of the Pi Phi chapter at OU
My children's grand-parents:
--- B.S. and Ph.D. from OU
---B.A. and Master's from OU
My children's parents:
---B.S. at OU
---B. S. and Ph.D. at OU
My children's aunt
---B.A. from OU
My children's uncle
---LLD from OU Law School
My children's first cousins
---all three have BAs from OU
A couple of other cousins played basketball for OU
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I agree that recent Louisville and South Carolina success has driven their increased attendance and it is likely that attendance will have some drop off in time. But if the Sooners do not improve on their success on the court their attendance is most likely to continue to subside to an even lower level although not much as we have had actual attendance of close to 1,500 for more than one conference game this year which leave only a few seats to be lost in the future.
Arguing what drives attendance is probably moot. But let OU win the Big 12 splitting with Texas and Baylor and look at what average attendance becomes. It will be a lot more, perhaps 150-175% more, than what they averaging selling/estimated (4,203/2,400) this conference season.
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Looks like a lot of BS in your family. I'm done with you. You are dismissed.
