TCU has been invited to the Big 12

[CoachTalk]

Lost in all of this is that Texas agrees not to show any HS content on LHN but gets the option of having 2 or 3 games (conference games) on the LHN.

Our administration has really screwed up royally if that is the case.

OU is still making their own network correct...? Texas is just a few months ahead of us... Let Texas take all the hits for the LHN and then when OU starts theirs, its no big deal...

 

[thebigabd]

Texas A&M has been a good basketball program for most of the last 6 or 7 years or so. TCU has been to two NCAA Tournaments since it expanded to 64 teams. They will be by far the worst program in the Big 12, they aren't even in the same class as the worst programs in the conference.

Programs rise and fall... It wasnt too long ago that A&M was an automatic win on the schedule. Hell, they went 0-16 one year. They are freakin losers with male cheerleaders. They are lucky Billy Gillispie came and saved their sorry asses.

We wont know what TCU can become in basketball until we see it. The two schools of thought are "they suck and will always suck" or "they suck but are in a good recruiting area and now they play in a major conference and will get better". We really dont know which is true yet.

I'm not sure if we'll have anyone who can contain Lee Nailon and Prince Fowler next year.

Awesome.

Why? We just added the reigning Rose Bowl champion from the same region we lost an inferior team (A&M).

The conference improved and we got rid of two underachieving malcontents.

Exactly. Boca is spot on here.

 

[NickZepp]

If you can't win in the MWC and you even have Billy Ball in there for a few years and still can't win that much you aren't that good a program especially if you are in a recruiting hotbed in Texas.

 

[Tony]

If TCU is a superior program to Texas A&M, why didn't the SEC take them instead, if they wanted to get a foothold in Texas?

 

[thebigabd]

This is a major upgrade over A&M. Check out the records since 2005. Those losers have had 3 losing seasons since 2005 while TCU has had 5 seasons in that same time-frame where they didnt lose more than 2 games.

TCU
2010: 13-0
2009: 12-1
2008: 11-2
2007: 8-5
2006: 11-2
2005: 11-1

A&M
2010: 9-4
2009: 6-7
2008: 4-8
2007: 7-6
2006: 9-4
2005: 5-6

 

[WTSooner]

They will be by far the worst program in the Big 12, they aren't even in the same class as the worst programs in the conference.

Exaggerate much?

 

[thebigabd]

I think many people have inflated opinions of the "traditional programs" that have left.

Lets clear this up. Records show that A&M sucks at football. They stink. They suck. They have never accomplished anything. They are terds. Big, fat, overrated terds with male cheerleaders.

As for basketball, they have been pretty good (not great, but pretty good) for a couple of years now. Prior to Gillispie, they sucked. They were worthless. They, along with Baylor, were automatic wins. They went 0-16. They are freakin worthless.

Now, Nebraska. I love Nebraska, but they left because they couldnt win the Big 12. They couldnt field an elite team. When the option died, Nebraska took a huge shot in the chin and they still havent recovered.

As for basketball, their a joke. I loved them because they fought hard and were always the underdog, but they suck. They havent been to the NCAA Tournament more than once, I dont think. They are worthless. Only fun to watch them pull upsets here and there and play hard. I think they have a great coach, but they are nothing.

Colorado... my goodness, Colorado. Talk about a totally worthless program. I lived in Colorado for 6 years, in Denver. I went to college there. Nobody cares about them. Their facilities are trash. No local recruiting potential. They have sucked in football and basketball for a long freakin time. They got lucky and got Cory Higgins and Alec Burks under the radar, and they still didnt make the tournament.

TCU has been fantastic in football since 2005. Undefeated season, BCS game winner, coach of the year, huge program expansion, top 15 rankings, no losing seasons, etc.

This is an upgrade people. The Big 12 is going to shed some fat and move forward, and these schools will fade off into obscurity. As if they arent already there.

 

[SoopaSooner]

This is a major upgrade over A&M. Check out the records since 2005. Those losers have had 3 losing seasons since 2005 while TCU has had 5 seasons in that same time-frame where they didnt lose more than 2 games.

TCU
2010: 13-0
2009: 12-1
2008: 11-2
2007: 8-5
2006: 11-2
2005: 11-1

A&M
2010: 9-4
2009: 6-7
2008: 4-8
2007: 7-6
2006: 9-4
2005: 5-6

Like you said programs rise and fall. You can count on TCU falling now that they have a step up in competition.

 

[bocabull]

If TCU is a superior program to Texas A&M, why didn't the SEC take them instead, if they wanted to get a foothold in Texas?

The rube aggies fit perfectly with the rubes in the SEC. They will never win anything but can chant SEC SEC to make themselves feel like winners.

We, on the other hand, will continue to chant OU. We have our own identity.

 

[ben]

soonerfans and landthieves are in total meltdown mode. That alone says I should welcome this move.

TCU truly is a doormat in basketball, but their football program is in tremendous shape. Coming to the big 12, a bcs conference, will only help them entice more recruits. "Hey, you'll be able to play OU and UT every year...on national TV." As long as Gary Patterson is there, which seems like for the long haul, TCU is in great shape. If Baylor can start winning, TCU can do much more and compete.

Their baseball program is also great. Not a money generator...but why does EVERYTHING have to be about money these days? I'm excited for some good baseball, two easy wins in basketball and a competitive series with TCU in football. 2005, anyone?

They need to just push Mizzouri out and add the three other teams (Louisville, BYU and WVU). At least we'll have teams that want to be in the conference...screw Mizzou.

 

[Sam]

If you can't win in the MWC and you even have Billy Ball in there for a few years and still can't win that much you aren't that good a program especially if you are in a recruiting hotbed in Texas.

A few years ago Baylor was given the closest thing to the death penalty basketball has ever seen. A&M went winless during conference play. Now you could argue that both of those programs are more stable than OU.

If Baylor has proven anything, tradition, unless its Duke/UNC/KU/Kentucky/etc level, doesn't mean much in the eyes of the 16, 17 year old kids. All you need is the right coach and one or two program changer players and things can change quickly. If TCU gets the proper coach and invests in their basketball program, they would be a very relevant player in the Big 12.

 

[thebigabd]

A few years ago Baylor was given the closest thing to the death penalty basketball has ever seen. A&M went winless during conference play. Now you could argue that both of those programs are more stable than OU.

If Baylor has proven anything, tradition, unless its Duke/UNC/KU/Kentucky/etc level, doesn't mean much in the eyes of the 16, 17 year old kids. All you need is the right coach and one or two program changer players and things can change quickly. If TCU gets the proper coach and invests in their basketball program, they would be a very relevant player in the Big 12.

Exactly.... and I love this "but they arent good at basketball" thing. The following programs have sucked big time since the Big 12 started:

Kansas State (sucked, now good)
Baylor (sucked, now good)
Texas A&M (sucked, now good)
Nebraska (sucked, still suck)
Colorado (sucked, still suck)
Texas Tech (sucked, still suck)

Its not like a great basketball team is required to play in this league. There have been lots of really awful teams in this league. everyone acts like everyone in the league is really good and TCU is way behind. Recruit 3-4 good players and you have a good team.

 

[boksooner]

I know it isn't the same as being in a BCS league, but TCU is 16-3 in their last 19 games against teams from leagues with automatic BCS bids, including a 6-3 mark versus the Big 12. They were the last team to win in Norman. Anyone that thinks that TCU is going to tank in football is mistaken.

 

[NickZepp]

TCU is in the MWC. If A&M played that competition I bet their records would be similar or better than TCU.

 

[campbest]

soonerfans and landthieves are in total meltdown mode. That alone says I should welcome this move.

Kind of agree with this.

 

[NickZepp]

Oklahoma State has won 3 games against Oklahoma and Texas since 2001 with Les Miles and Mike Gundy as their coaches. Does anyone really think Patterson is better than those 2 or that he'll win more than 2 games in a 10 year period against the top 2 schools?

When the Big 12 started TCU was going 4-7 and 1-10 in the WAC conference. If they joined at that time instead of Baylor they would be just as bad or worse than Baylor.

 

[Tundrasooner]

This is a major upgrade over A&M. Check out the records since 2005. Those losers have had 3 losing seasons since 2005 while TCU has had 5 seasons in that same time-frame where they didnt lose more than 2 games.

TCU
2010: 13-0
2009: 12-1
2008: 11-2
2007: 8-5
2006: 11-2
2005: 11-1

A&M
2010: 9-4
2009: 6-7
2008: 4-8
2007: 7-6
2006: 9-4
2005: 5-6

My goodness, look at the teams that TCU played.
TCU is a tad better than Baylor and has already lost to SMU and Baylor this year. Put them in a real conference and they go 8-4, 7-5, 6-6 etc...

And this is about TV markets, which TCU adds none. None.

By the way TCU was real good last year but there is no way they would have went undefeated playing in the Big 12.

 

[tycat947]

My goodness, look at the teams that TCU played.
TCU is a tad better than Baylor and has already lost to SMU and Baylor this year. Put them in a real conference and they go 8-4, 7-5, 6-6 etc...

And this is about TV markets, which TCU adds none. None.

Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner here!!!

:clap:clap:clap

 

[bocabull]

TCU was in the conference with Sugar Bowl winner Utah who is now in the Pac-12, BYU, who beat us in Dallas and has a national championship.

TCU is 1 of 2 teams to beat us in Norman under Stoops. They have been to back to back BCS Bowls and beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.

A&M is 12-29 vs OU, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State the past decade. Their lone bowl win the past decade is the galleryfurniture.com bowl.

TCU is a major step up not only on the field but also in class and intelligence.

As for basketball, I have been to their arena and it's far superior to Baylor. Freshen it up a little, get the right coach and they will snag the 3 or 4 recruits it takes to start competing in no time.

 

[tycat947]

TCU was in the conference with Sugar Bowl winner Utah who is now in the Pac-12, BYU, who beat us in Dallas and has a national championship.

TCU is 1 of 2 teams to beat us in Norman under Stoops. They have been to back to back BCS Bowls and beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl.

A&M is 12-29 vs OU, Texas, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State the past decade. Their lone bowl win the past decade is the galleryfurniture.com bowl.

TCU is a major step up not only on the field but also in class and intelligence.

As for basketball, I have been to their arena and it's far superior to Baylor. Freshen it up a little, get the right coach and they will snag the 3 or 4 recruits it takes to start competing in no time.

This is NOT about a football program! It's about adding market share and increasing the value of TV contracts. Adding TCU not only doesn't add market share for the Big 12, it probably weakens it, especially compared to A&M. This is NOT about TCU versus A&M on the football field.