The 2015 Season Has A Wall...

OUSKINS

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and we can't seem to break through it.

I'm very torn on how to feel about where we stand. I think if you would have told me before the year we'd be 17-8/8-5 at this point I would have considered it a mild disappointment. But it would have needed context. The context though is what makes me WORSE, not better.

I simply cannot put my finger on what nags me about this team, but I think it's probably because deep down I don't trust them. And that's troubling to me considering our core are all upperclassmen. We've been great front runners this year. If we get out early, we have generally buried teams. A couple other times we came out scorching in the second half and ran away. Offensively we have the ability to explode. Defensively we are pretty consistent and sometimes rise to an elite level. The record is solid. The rpi is great. On pace for a good finish in a tough conference. On pace for a top 4 seed. All good things.

But we are all most tested in times of crisis or pressure and it is hard to succeed in life by sinply avoiding those situations. OU is great when we avoid the pressure by putting a game away early. They've wilted terribly when it's tight. And they've wilted against some not so great opponents. I am horribly troubled by our 0'fer in close games. Each loss is more troubling than the last because it also shows we aren't inproving or learning in that department.

We vapor lock on offense in possession games and it usually ends with Woodard trying to do something on his own. And that hasn't gone well. We look completely lost in those instances and it bugs the heck out of me because I orherwise really like this team and LK.

Good news is that we keep getting chances. Season is far from over and we will have more opportunities to get this monkey off our back. I'll be at the LNC Tuesday and I must admit that I kind of hope it's close late. We need to get over that hump. Or at least I do.
 
OUSKINS, that may be the most insightful, heartfelt post I have ever read. That was an eloquent description of the thoughts and feelings I have had about this team at one time or another this season.

I can't find the words to explain how the same group of players can march into Austin, Texas and dismantle a top ten team like UT on their own floor, and then play like it's the first game of the season against an unranked and struggling K-State team a few days later in Norman? Just when I think this team is well on its way to playing their best basketball by beating a highly ranked team like ISU, they prove me wrong with a real stinker like the game we saw last night.

I don't know when I have been more frustrated! But at least I know now someone else feels my pain.
 
Yes, very good post and I agree with the observations. We still have too much of last year in us. If you get in our grill we often don't have the half court offense to overcome it. We have some good athleticism on the team but not enough basketball athleticism.
 
This team has almost no depth, and isn't particularly good in the offensive half court at times.

everybody got to deviate from the norm
 
Jump shots
Jump shots
Jump shots
More jump shots

This will lead to inconsistency. If OU hits 4 more 3s that game is a walk away win.
 
Last years team was an over performing bunch. 23 wins was a really good year for them. Even if they had won their first round game, they were going to get clocked by San Diego St. in the second round.

This group is hard to figure.

I have thought that the whole Yo Yo incident distracted them some. I believe he was well liked and respected by the players. I thought again that Thomas may not have been well enough received by last years hold overs.

They should be better than last years team. Some days they are and some days they are not. The lack of consistent help off the bench is an issue. But still... Kruger's management style doesn't always mesh with mine. Sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. He is a let them play kind of a guy and I am more of a make them play guy.

There is still plenty of basketball left. I'm optimistic that it will all mesh at the right time.
 
Bringing up depth made me think of next year. Our starting lineup won't be as stout from a scoring perspective, but oue depth should be improved, especially in the backcourt.

Woodard
Cousins
Booker
Walker
James
Odomes
Buford

Front court is still behind in depth.

Spangler
Manyang
Mcneace
Lattin
...

Looks like we'll go back to a four guards with buford/odomes as the stretch 4.
 
Bringing up depth made me think of next year. Our starting lineup won't be as stout from a scoring perspective, but oue depth should be improved, especially in the backcourt.

Woodard
Cousins
Booker
Walker
James
Odomes
Buford

Front court is still behind in depth.

Spangler
Manyang
Mcneace
Lattin
...

Looks like we'll go back to a four guards with buford/odomes as the stretch 4.

I would bet against that 4 guard deal.
 
Bringing up depth made me think of next year. Our starting lineup won't be as stout from a scoring perspective, but oue depth should be improved, especially in the backcourt.

Woodard
Cousins
Booker
Walker
James
Odomes
Buford

Front court is still behind in depth.

Spangler
Manyang
Mcneace
Lattin
...

Looks like we'll go back to a four guards with buford/odomes as the stretch 4.

Why do you have him listed as a guard?
 
I agree with you. Wasn't meaning 100% of the time ... But as a change up for depth purposes.

I think for match up purposes Buford as a stretch 4 could be right. But, my guess for a starting lineup would be Woodard, Cousins, Buford, Spangler, and Manyang. Buford has guard skills to a much higher degree than Cam ever had.
 
Maybe we should just ask for an 11 seed so we can get picked to lose first round and then win every game we aren't supposed to? AKA-National Champs?! Sounds good? Ok glad we all think that way.

But really--games they aren't picked by the media to win, they win, and convincingly. Then they rip your heart out in close losses to inferior teams. This season has definitely made some of us suffer from premature balding, but nevertheless it's still been fun to watch them battle.

It's going to be hard to pick them in the tourney based on inconsistency; but, with a little bit of a homer touch to it, if they get hot, we could be looking at a nice run.
 
I see all over the board the assumption that Buddy is gone for sure next year. Did I miss something or is this just speculation? He is too good of a college player IMO to bail a year early for Europe or the D League.
 
I see all over the board the assumption that Buddy is gone for sure next year. Did I miss something or is this just speculation? He is too good of a college player IMO to bail a year early for Europe or the D League.
Pure speculation.

Good to have you back, SKINS.
 
This team has almost no depth, and isn't particularly good in the offensive half court at times.

everybody got to deviate from the norm

I disagree that this team has no depth. I would say this team has an average bench but that it certainly isn't a strength.

Booker and Walker can both give minutes in the backcourt at an acceptable level. I would like to see them score a bit more but they are not huge liabilities. Lattin and Bennett are also capable reserves fro the front court. Again, I would like to see more offensive production but they are not big liabilities. Bennett didn't hurt OU on Saturday. He played 16 minutes, had 4 points, 3 rebounds, 2 blocks and 2 turn overs. That is not horrible. Obviously a couple more points and rebounds would be better but that is serviceable.

Hopefully next year depth will be an advantage.
 
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Pure speculation.

Good to have you back, SKINS.

Good to be "back," but actually I never went anywhere. I'm just really, really slow :)

Took me like three years to figure out the old board was dying a slow death. Rather than take the time to figure out where everyone went, I just kept logging on, seeing very little activity and logging off. Just assumed all interest in the program had crashed to a new low. Finally took a few minutes and was happy to see how busy things are here. Glad to be here for sure.

And how about those Pads going all Yankees this off-season!
 
I see all over the board the assumption that Buddy is gone for sure next year. Did I miss something or is this just speculation? He is too good of a college player IMO to bail a year early for Europe or the D League.

It's speculation, but it's based on reports coming out of his busy summer playing with the Bohemian national team and attending LeBron and KD's Skills Academy. Word coming into the season was that he was almost a sure bet to be a high draft pick this fall.

Personally (and I admit it's a bit selfish on my part), I would like to see Buddy come back for his senior season. IMO, he has some work to do to be a high NBA draft pick. His handles, for example, and his ability to break free from a defender to get shots on his own are two areas I see as problematic for him in the NBA.

It's not that I don't believe he will be drafted. My fear is that he will not be drafted high enough to make an NBA roster. Buddy is such a nice young man, I want to see him be successful, not struggle to make it to the next level by playing on a D-League team or by going the overseas route. Sure, there are worse things. But if another year at OU will allow him to move up in the draft next year, I hope he will come back.
 
I just don't agree with the general premise that the team has under-performed or 'hit a wall.'

Since non-conference ended, when I'll agree we played below are capabilities far too often, we've been mostly on par with what I expected.

Should we have a couple more Big 12 wins? Probably, but you're going to lose games you should have won when playing in the toughest conference in the country.

Assuming we hold serve at home, win at Tech and lose at ISU, we finish 11-6 in Big 12 play and 20-9 overall. That's probably a four-seed in the NCAAs.

For a team with six, sometimes seven and on our best night, eight functioning players, that's pretty good.
 
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Last years team was an over performing bunch. 23 wins was a really good year for them. Even if they had won their first round game, they were going to get clocked by San Diego St. in the second round.

This group is hard to figure.

I have thought that the whole Yo Yo incident distracted them some. I believe he was well liked and respected by the players. I thought again that Thomas may not have been well enough received by last years hold overs.

They should be better than last years team. Some days they are and some days they are not. The lack of consistent help off the bench is an issue. But still... Kruger's management style doesn't always mesh with mine. Sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. He is a let them play kind of a guy and I am more of a make them play guy.

There is still plenty of basketball left. I'm optimistic that it will all mesh at the right time.

That pretty is close to how I feel but it is more than management style for me. I would have no issue with the style if he had the right guys for it. I actually like the style for some players. However, it seems to me that when we hit a rut you can see it in the player's faces and also in their actions. Sometimes they can snap out of it and sometimes they cannot.

We were good last year and we are better this year. However, we still have some of last year in us where we freeze up like a Boston drain pipe.
 
We were good last year and we are better this year. However, we still have some of last year in us where we freeze up like a Boston drain pipe.

That's more on the personnel...not coaching. At this juncture, players are who they are, not going to change much.
 
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