Trammel says Mark Price best OK player ever BUT

I'd say it's close. All Price has on Griffin is longevity. Price was never as good as Griffin, but he played longer.
 
Blake Griffin will be the best NBA player who played high school ball in Oklahoma BY FAR when all is said and done. For now, it's probably Mark Price since he was a 4-time All-Star and played 12 years in the league. Alvan Adams is right behind him if not right next to him. Sybarite made a very convincing argument when he laid down the stats.

The knock on Mr. Adams was that his best year (and lone All-Star appearance) was his rookie year. When you play as well as he did as a rookie, everyone expects more from you...just the way it is. He still had an outstanding NBA career and his number was deservedly retired by the Suns. However, I can understand choosing Mark Price over him...but it's close either way. Five years from now, though, we'll be talking about them competing for #2.

Wayman is next on the list. I followed his career as closely as anybody. Injuries nor height were the main reason he was only a "solid" NBA player rather than a star. Wayman simply had a passion for jazz (as we all know). That passion was the reason he did not elevate his game to the next level, plain and simple. Wayman was closer to 6'7" than his listed size of 6'9", which meant his ceiling was not as high as a Karl Malone...but that alone was not the reason he didn't become an All-Star caliber player year in and year out. Keep in mind that Wayman had an unblockable shot...not just in college but the NBA.
 
As many people have pointed out the answer is blake griffin. At 24 he's already a 4 time allstar, 2 time all nba.

He's the biggest freak on a court full of freaks right now on TNT.
 
bocabull said:
As many people have pointed out the answer is blake griffin. At 24 he's already a 4 time allstar, 2 time all nba.

He's the biggest freak on a court full of freaks right now on TNT.
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I think Lebron James is, but second biggest freak on a court full of freaks is still pretty good.
 
bocabull said:
As many people have pointed out the answer is blake griffin. At 24 he's already a 4 time allstar, 2 time all nba.

He's the biggest freak on a court full of freaks right now on TNT.
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Putting on a show, I think I am leaning that Blake will be the easy answer before all is said and done.
 
In their year 4 of the NBA, who would you take. Price, Griffin, Tisdale? Its Griffin for me. Not really even close.
 
Romulus said:
You can't be serious or you're in high school.
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1) Mark Price made 4 all Star Teams in his 12 year career, blake griffin made 4 all star teams in his first 4 years in the league.

2) Griffin won the Wooden POY award in college Price did not, Griffin averaged More Points and Rebounds by a decent Margin in college, Price More assists by a decent margin. They had about the same success in the NCAA's (Price never went to a Final 4 and neither did Griffin)

3) Griffin 1st Player taken in Draft, Price 2nd Round Pick

4) In the NBA for career Griffin 21.1 Points Per Game Price 15. 2 Points Per Game

5) In the NBA for Career Griffin 10.3 Rebonds per game Price 2.6 Rebounds Per game

6) In the NBA for career Griffin 3.6 Assists Per Game, Price 6.7 Assists


Maybe instead of spouting off you should do some research
 
Still think it's a shame that Wayman never played on any perennial NBA powers. That's a big reason why people don't realize how good he was in the pros. I would have preferred it, though, that he played four years. He would have scored over 3,000 points in college, which doesn't happen every day.

I also think this article shows that BT is reluctant to give an ex-OU player the credit they deserve - or else be called the dreaded "Gooner Homer" that most Aggies call anyone in the Oklahoma media who doesn't suck up to OSU non-stop.
 
With all due respect to Wayman Tisdale and Mark Price, Blake Griffin is the best Oklahoma player and the margin will keep getting larger unless he gets hurt.
 
sybarite said:
If you include Alvan Adams in the discussion, assuming that OU is in OK, he had the best pro record of any of the players discussed. I suspect that Blake will pass him.

As a pro, Alvan outscored Tisdale and Price. He also had more rebounds than Tisdale and Price. He had more steals than Tisdale or Price. What is most remarkable is that he had almost as many assists as Price, only about 1 per game fewer, and Price is listed as a point guard, Alvan as a center. Oh, and Alvan had more blocks than Tisdale or Price. He also played more playoff than Tisdale and Price combined.

I suspect that Blake will pass Adams since he is good and young. But, Adams was the best all-around player I saw at OU. Tisdale was dominant in another way and had much, much more to work with than Alvan did. Alvan had no help. Tisdale is by far the better musician.

If I had the choice, I would have Tisdale at PF and Adams at C, but I would rather have Mookie as my point----or Lester Lane.
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adams averaged 4.1 ast per game as a pro .. price 6.7 .. that is not close ..

price also has a higher fg% for his career .. which is amazing as a PG and price has the 50/40/90 mark for his career .. .he is one of if not the best pure shooter of all time ..

career PER price 19.62 adams 18.32
 
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I've seen all these guys play all the way back to Eddie Evans and Gar Heard and as far as HS players in Oklahoma, Blake Griffin will be best ever.

Wayman is a close second and I'd call it a tie between Adams and Price for third.

Mark Price is greatest shooter ever from Oklahoma and Adams had a pretty fair all around game. Where I'd fault Adams was that he wasn't a guard quality dribbler nor did come close to having the lift possessed by either Tisdale or Griffin.

Adams was far ahead of his time as a passing, assist making big man but his skills in that area are surpassed by Griffin in a big way. I think Griffin will go down as the best ball handling and passing power forward to ever play the game. Some might argue that LeBron and K.D. are better, but they aren't power forwards. No power forward yet to play has shown to be better in the open court than Griffin.

Other Oklahoma born or Oklahoma high school players deserving of mention are Jim Barnes, Ron Boone, Antoine Carr and John Starks.
 
Tougher question...who was the best Oklahoma high school player while in High School?
 
bgrch1350 said:
Tougher question...who was the best Oklahoma high school player while in High School?
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I have no clue but I would guess Wayman Tisdale. Certainly that would be the case in my opinion if you said best college player notwithstanding Blake being the No. 1 pick.
 
bgrch1350 said:
Tougher question...who was the best Oklahoma high school player while in High School?
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Blake was pretty good, had a bunch of moves, etc, but he played a lot of games against lower competition.

Jim "Bad News" Barnes was a monster in high school (Stillwater).

Here's the wiki. He ripped them up in high school (early 60s) and is one of the few players to get 30 rebounds in a college game (UTEP - Texas Western):

Jim_Barnes

Mark Price was POY, and the leading scorer in the state playing for a big school with, perhaps, the best ever high school class to come out of Oklahoma. The 1982 class included Wayman. I get the rest later.
 
Winford Boynes I heard was a fantastic high school player. I loved Wayman, he had the best college career. Blake's last year was incredible and he was better than Wayman was in any 1 year. Blake's ball handling was not appreciated by some but Wayman needed to be fed the ball. Blake would have been off the charts with Billy ball.
 
bgrch1350 said:
In their year 4 of the NBA, who would you take. Price, Griffin, Tisdale? Its Griffin for me. Not really even close.
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Well, it's NOT even close. Price would be my pick every single time because of the position he played. Griffin is a great player, no doubt, and probably a better pro. But Price was a point guard and a darn good one. That outweighs Blake's margin of superiority.
 
SilliSooner said:
I've seen all these guys play all the way back to Eddie Evans and Gar Heard and as far as HS players in Oklahoma, Blake Griffin will be best ever.

Wayman is a close second and I'd call it a tie between Adams and Price for third.

Mark Price is greatest shooter ever from Oklahoma and Adams had a pretty fair all around game. Where I'd fault Adams was that he wasn't a guard quality dribbler nor did come close to having the lift possessed by either Tisdale or Griffin.

Adams was far ahead of his time as a passing, assist making big man but his skills in that area are surpassed by Griffin in a big way. I think Griffin will go down as the best ball handling and passing power forward to ever play the game. Some might argue that LeBron and K.D. are better, but they aren't power forwards. No power forward yet to play has shown to be better in the open court than Griffin.

Other Oklahoma born or Oklahoma high school players deserving of mention are Jim Barnes, Ron Boone, Antoine Carr and John Starks.
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Adams grew up in a different time. Back then if you were 6'10-11" you were a center. Unless your name was Bob MacAdoo you didn't venture far from the lane. As I said earlier I believe in today's world Adams would have been all over. Think what an athlete like Wilt would have done had he been going to elite camps since he was 10.
 
KCRuf/Nek said:
Adams grew up in a different time. Back then if you were 6'10-11" you were a center. Unless your name was Bob MacAdoo you didn't venture far from the lane. As I said earlier I believe in today's world Adams would have been all over. Think what an athlete like Wilt would have done had he been going to elite camps since he was 10.
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You think those camps make players great? It is genetics that make players great. There are lots of professional athletes that didn't even start playing a sport until late in life. Those camps and the countless dollars spent by parents spoiling their children have almost zero impact on whether a kid will become a professional athlete.
 
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