Trump appeal broad

[bocabull]

People are underestimating his appeal. He is triangulating people on the right left and middle.

A capitalist that admits W and Iraq were massive failures, is for making sure criminals are not allowed to enter the US illegally and who is for national healthcare has broad appeal. Especially in the middle where elections are won.

There are many former Republicans like me who supported Obama and are open to switching back, but only if the massive failures and mistakes of deregulation, tax cut schemes and reckless wars are admitted and never repeated.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Remember When Donald Trump Tried to Bulldoze an Elderly Widow's Home to Build a Limo Parking Lot?

http://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/det...derly-widows-home-to-build-a-limo-parking-lot

 

[bocabull]

So let's see. He wanted to build a parking lot 20 years ago so his lawyers filed with the city for eminent domain. They granted the request. She appealed and won. End of story. What a shocking story. That's every day life in real estate.

Meanwhile, in the past 2 weeks Jeb Bush, younger brother of the worst President in a century, said he's going to grow the economy by having people work more hours and he's for phasing out medicare. Hillary will slaughter him n

It's time for the Republican party to be taken back from these neocon failures. Unless you like losing.

 

[thebigabd]

I tend to agree.... Trump is a hybrid.

I like him...

• Tells it like it is
• From outside the beltway
• Exciting candidate
• Known job creator

If the GOP runs Jeb Bush, he will get slaughtered by Hillary Clinton. Repeat, slaughtered. He has no chance of winning against her.

The only people in the GOP field who have a chance to beat her are Donald Trump and Rubio... Cruz is too far in the other direction to get the independent vote. I can only see Trump and Rubio getting the independent and undecided vote from Hillary.

The "religious" candidate will never win the White House again.... ever. That era is over. Guys like Huckabee and Cruz can't win.

 

[WTSooner]

If Trump somehow wins, he will be nearly as bad as Obama has been, just differently. The Presidency is WAY over what he is capable of doing, IMO. Stick with lousy tv shows and bankruptcy courts.

 

[WTSooner]

The "religious" candidate will never win the White House again.... ever. That era is over. Guys like Huckabee and Cruz can't win.

Not true. This stuff is all cyclical. It may not be "cool" to be what you call "religious" right now, but it will come full circle, and that will be popular again at some point. Not sure if that is 8 years from now, 16, or even 24 or 30. Country's morals are going down the ****ter, so it might be closer to 30 years, but it will without a doubt happen again in my lifetime. No doubts about that at all.

 

[bocabull]

Nearly as bad as Obama has been

hahahaha it's so funny to hear the anti Obama crowd still saying this nonsense with a straight face. The results are in. He was right. You were wrong. lol

 

[thebigabd]

Not true. This stuff is all cyclical. It may not be "cool" to be what you call "religious" right now, but it will come full circle, and that will be popular again at some point. Not sure if that is 8 years from now, 16, or even 24 or 30. Country's morals are going down the ****ter, so it might be closer to 30 years, but it will without a doubt happen again in my lifetime. No doubts about that at all.

Highly unlikely... each new generation is statistically less religious.

• 23% of the adult population are now non-believers... That is more than Catholics (21%) and mainline Protestants (15%).
• In 2007 nearly 80% of the population identified themselves as religious, today, its under 70%. In 1990, it was over 86%.
• From 2007 to 2014 the number of non-believers has jumped from 15% to 23%

The reasons for this are pretty obvious...

• We live in the information age. The Internet has given people access to more information. The more information at hand, the more chance that someone will read something that makes them believe religion is not true or not valuable in their life.
• The media is very secular
• Schools are more secular now than ever before

Religion is being phased out of government, education, healthcare, media, etc. It is even being phased out of the economy. Every year they do the War on Christmas stories because stores, companies, etc are being more secular. "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" and all that.

Naturally, if you phase religion out of all aspects of life, as mentioned above, people will become less religious. By 2025, the number of religious people in the country will likely drop from just under 70% now to around 55%. Think about that, in 10-15 years nearly half the country might not be religiously affiliated.

As this goes on, each generation of new parents are less religious than their parents were. Meaning their children will be less religious... Then they will have children who will be less religious than them, etc.

The reason this is happening so fast is simple... technology and information.

All that being said... the religious candidate will never win again. Nobody is going to get up there in a CNN presidential debate and win an election on the basis of religious values.

*Side note... religion and morality are two different things. You can be a moral person in the absence of religion, and you can be an immoral religious person*

 

[bocabull]

Actually the current President is a far better representative of Christianity than the right wing Elmer Gantry's.

The country is not less moral, an abundance of people just realize that the church cult going bible thumpers come down on the wrong side of Jesus on virtually every issue. So they are ignored. Huckabee is the latest example.

 

[stormspencer]

People are underestimating his appeal. He is triangulating people on the right left and middle.

A capitalist that admits W and Iraq were massive failures, is for making sure criminals are not allowed to enter the US illegally and who is for national healthcare has broad appeal. Especially in the middle where elections are won.

There are many former Republicans like me who supported Obama and are open to switching back, but only if the massive failures and mistakes of deregulation, tax cut schemes and reckless wars are admitted and never repeated.

I think Trump resonates with a cross-section of people in the country who are angry and feel like it's politics as usual (crony capitalism, corporate welfare, etc.)...regardless of which party is president or who controls congress. He feeds off issues like illegal immigration and veterans rights....all the while, not really providing any details on a solution. He is playing the game well right now. Yet when it comes time to offer substantive solutions, you will see him fade because I don't think he really has any at this point.

Personally, I don't agree with Trump on certain issues and I'm skeptical of his evolving stances, but I do love the fact that he doesn't back down to the intimidation tactics of the media or the politically correct culture. He pretty much tells them to "go to hell" and never apologizes....we need more of that.

It's the same reason I respect Ted Cruz. I may not agree with his worldview in totality, but he is certainly fearless when it comes to confronting the "inside the beltway" establishment (whom he refers to as the "Washington Cartel"). He calls out the Senate Majority leader in front of God and country, knowing full well that there will be repercussions for his stand....especially from his own party. But he doesn't care, he is there to try and change the way Washington works....even though he will continue to be ostracized.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I like some athingsbout trump. i dislike some things about trump

that being said, he would be terrible for this country right now. We would become even more of a charactercher to the world and he would do absolutley nothing but divide us more instead of bringing us back together

 

[bocabull]

I think Trump resonates with a cross-section of people in the country who are angry and feel like it's politics as usual (crony capitalism, corporate welfare, etc.)...regardless of which party is president or who controls congress. He feeds off issues like illegal immigration and veterans rights....all the while, not really providing any details on a solution. He is playing the game well right now. Yet when it comes time to offer substantive solutions, you will see him fade because I don't think he really has any at this point.

This is the conventional wisdom however I think there is more to his growing support. If you just listen to the media sound bites this is the impression you get. When you listen to entire interviews with him you get a wider picture.

I'm a liberal capitalist which is what most independents are. U.S. strength is due to the profit motive driving innovation and the social safety net which is a moral imperative that also broadens the base of people who can pursue the profit motive. A side note to that is avoiding reckless military escapades that destroys resources.

W failed across the board and drove pretty much all of the center to Obama. But that era is coming to a close. Time for the next chapter which should be all about investment and growth at home. We need to spend more not less. While Obamacare established healthcare as a right to all citizens which is good, it accomplished it by forcing people to buy overpriced policies from private insurance company's making a profit. The biggest boost to growth and prosperity would be going to Medicare for all. Healthcare costs have fallen due to Obamacare but we still spend 17% of GDP while every other country with national healthcare spends 10% or less. 7% of $18 trillion we are wasting. As Trump would say we are getting ripped off. He's on record supporting single payer healthcare. If he sticks to his guns he might be the guy who convinces the skeptical conservatives.

The bar is set very low for his policy knowledge and proposals for the first debate. He's a proud guy who knows this. I'm expecting a surprise to the upside. We shall see.

As for negotiation imagine what concession he will be able to get from Democrats if he puts Medicare for all on the table. They would give him virtually anything he wanted on immigration. Teddy Roosevelt another brash Republican mans man from New York was the first President to propose national healthcare. If Trump finished the job he would go down in history. The guy is ambitious as hell and knows this. He could also convince Republicans that if they replaced Obamacare with Medicare for all they won't lose an election for a generation. That 7% savings would explode the rest of the economy and launch a new era of prosperity.

That's my hopes and dreams for Trump. He's the only guy who could pull it off. Jeb, Hillary, Rubio, Walker, Kasich all blabbing the same old partisan talking points. They wouldn't accomplish a turd.

 

[sperry]

Trump is a little out ahead of the 15 or so other Republican candidates, but he's either loved or hated, which means he has no chance. Trump is nobodies second choice. Which means when Rubio or Walker or Cruz or whoever drops out, their supporters will go to one of the other's, not Trump. So Trump is polling at like 23% right now, but that's never going to rise significantly.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Trump is a little out ahead of the 15 or so other Republican candidates, but he's either loved or hated, which means he has no chance. Trump is nobodies second choice. Which means when Rubio or Walker or Cruz or whoever drops out, their supporters will go to one of the other's, not Trump. So Trump is polling at like 23% right now, but that's never going to rise significantly.

yeah i think he has no chance and he will create even a bigger divide b/t not only the right and left but also the right

Would surprise me that in 20 years it comes out that he was paid by democrats to run as a republican and say some stupid stuff to divide the republicans even more:ez-laugh:

 

[DenverSooner]

Trump is a little out ahead of the 15 or so other Republican candidates, but he's either loved or hated, which means he has no chance. Trump is nobodies second choice. Which means when Rubio or Walker or Cruz or whoever drops out, their supporters will go to one of the other's, not Trump. So Trump is polling at like 23% right now, but that's never going to rise significantly.

I don't know. Boca is correct if you listen to his words in context they are not nearly as crazy as the media likes to report. I think people will like that he stands up to the traditional politicians and the media. I am not saying he can win but I could see his numbers going up.

I have to say, I am completely sick of the politicians. I would like to see a non-politician have a shot. I like that woman CEO, Carly something (bad for her that I can't think of her last name). I like Dr. Carson. I like Trump to some degree. Of the politicians I think I like Rubio and Walker the best. I am not a fan of Huckabee. I don't know what I think of Bush other than I don't think I want another Bush or Clinton.

What I would really like is someone that got elected and said I am going to clean up the Administrative side of the government. Lots of people will be fired at the various administrative agencies. We will have a reduction in force at virtually all of them. Scandals will not be tolerated and the top people will be held accountable. Every agency will cut 5% in the first two years (total not each year) by eliminating waste and increasing efficiency. You simply cannot tell me this cannot be done without any measurable impact on service provided to the taxpayer.

Then I would love to see the President go after Defense spending. Not so much to gut it or substantially reduce it but to eliminate the waste and abuse. The military will literally say we don't want this weapon system but a Senator or Congressman will rally support for the program and force the country to spend big money on something the military leaders don't really want. I have read things suggesting this is the case with certain tanks and other really expensive weapons systems.

If they got that cleaned up, I would love to see them go ofter Congress in a non partisan manner. Really get the public fired up about the way Congress doesn't compromise (blame both sides not just one side) and how much they waste through pork spending. (I will vote for X, if you build a bridge in my district - this just shouldn't be the way things are done in my opinion.)

 

[bocabull]

Just please don't let it be Jeb vs Hillary. That would be depressing. I hope Biden gets in. People give him crap and call it a gaff when he speaks his mind. Guy is just brutally honest. Get a shotgun!! This is a big effing deal!! Etc lol

Joe is a great guy and a great American. Guys wife got killed and he took the train home every night from DC to be a dad.

 

[sybarite]

Right now, it is the Republicans who are blasting Trump. When he is at his most bombastic, he is taking attention from the Cruz, Huckabee, or Carson types. Everyone is fighting to get past the two or three percent line that most now find themselves in. It is unlikely that Trump would be a nominee once they eliminate a few. Once it gets down to about five, Trump's numbers will likely fall in comparison to the rest.

Trump has a problem that they haven't addressed yet. There are a lot of You Tubes of Trump expressing very liberal positions, as well as expressions of almost total love and reverence for the job Hillary did as Secretary of State. It's difficult to walk that back when it's all on tape.

The party regulars are still sold on Bush. Bush still has a very negative legacy that would kill him. They may settle on Kasich, limited extreme baggage.

 

[bocabull]

Trump has a problem that they haven't addressed yet. There are a lot of You Tubes of Trump expressing very liberal positions, as well as expressions of almost total love and reverence for the job Hillary did as Secretary of State. It's difficult to walk that back when it's all on tape.

See I don't view this as a problem. I view it as a major opportunity. Everybody thinks he's divisive when in fact he's a true independent whose appeal could be much broader than anybody else on either side.

At some point he's going to pivot from talking about how great he is to how great the USA is. People will eat that up too. Nobody can promote better than him.

 

[sybarite]

The problem is that is prohibits the typical Republican committee campaign style. The campaign theme has been an attack on some specific issue that concerns the public for some strange reason: Willie Horton ad, Swift Boat ads, Truther ads. Rather than present a Republican approach, especially the recent campaigns have been totally focused as attacks. This year, they knew that Hillary was popular, as was her husband. They spent the past four years doing nothing other than attacking Hillary. They have had about three or four different committees investigate Benghazi. When that didn't work, they investigated Benghazi emails. The focus has been totally on destroying her credibility with a Swift Boat type approach on the Benghazi thing.

What Trump has done has been to define that HE can't run on that issue. He is on tape too many times with the opposite opinion.

 

[thebigabd]

Just please don't let it be Jeb vs Hillary. That would be depressing. I hope Biden gets in. People give him crap and call it a gaff when he speaks his mind. Guy is just brutally honest. Get a shotgun!! This is a big effing deal!! Etc lol

Joe is a great guy and a great American. Guys wife got killed and he took the train home every night from DC to be a dad.

You are damn right about Joe Biden... The guy commutes hours back and forth over a 36 year career to be a dad every day.