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bocabull said:
Kasich disqualified himself by saying we need to send combat troops back to Iraq. His "success" is greatly exaggerated. In the 90s he rode Clintons economic and fiscal coat tails and recently he's rode the Obama economy success. He did expand Medicaid which means he's not a complete idiot like the GOP governors who refused.

His problem is he's the same old same old GOP party line huckster. The party has been in decline since the Gingrich days. He's more of the same. he would be pretty easy for Hillary to run against and beat.

Trump strategy is simple. These guys are not as smart, energetic and accomplished as me. I'm the best man for the job. Screw the party. He will reach out to every segment of the electorate with that argument. It works against every candidate on both sides.
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I must admit, in watching the GOP debate I kept finding myself more excited about Donald Trump... When you ask yourself, "which of these guys is going to get the job done and disrupt business as usual", you have to think it is Trump. He will demand results, and he will get them.

That being said, Rubio is the best "politician" up there in the field. A Trump/Rubio ticket would be interesting, and would set Rubio up to run in 2020.
 
thebigabd said:
I must admit, in watching the GOP debate I kept finding myself more excited about Donald Trump... When you ask yourself, "which of these guys is going to get the job done and disrupt business as usual", you have to think it is Trump. He will demand results, and he will get them.

That being said, Rubio is the best "politician" up there in the field. A Trump/Rubio ticket would be interesting, and would set Rubio up to run in 2020.
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Rubio is a party puppet. But he did articulate the bogus party line well. Trump would spend every waking day trying to cut deals with companies and countries to do business with the U.S. He would grow the economy without the usual right wing nonsense of cutting spending. You don't grow through cuts. You spend more you grow more. You do better deals you grow more. It's that simple.
 
bocabull said:
Rubio is a party puppet. But he did articulate the bogus party line well. Trump would spend every waking day trying to cut deals with companies and countries to do business with the U.S. He would grow the economy without the usual right wing nonsense of cutting spending. You don't grow through cuts. You spend more you grow more. You do better deals you grow more. It's that simple.
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I don't think anyone on stage, for either party, is more likely to get results than Donald Trump. That's why people like him.
 
Did you not feel that Trump was all talk and witty comebacks. He never really addressed the questions asked of him.

I think he would do great for the economy. The part that worries me is foreign relations
 
The questions were so ridiculous with the intent to embarrass him I thought Trump did outstanding. Very few people could withstand the constant attack without getting even the slightest bit rattled. The average person would have crawled in a hole.

As for his demeanor with foreign leaders Trump has typically got along fine with his business associates unless they attack him, then he attacks back harder. Obama is so laid back he doesn't even respond to insults which is an admiral quality but people take advantage of it. Knowing what would come back at them people like Putin would likely be more cautious about what they say about Trump. Watch what happens with Megyn Kelly, don't be surprised if her food fight with Trump hurts her more.
 
I watched the debates. I didn't find any of the questions out of line. I felt all the candidates had tough questions thrown at them. The backlash Megyn is getting is pretty ridiculous.

I concerns me that a potus would resort to personal attacks like trump does. There is nothing wrong with confronting him about calling women pigs,etc.
 
lol @ the questions were not out of line. Every question had the intent to put Trump on the spot and embarrass him. Kelly didn't ask why he called Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig, he asked why he called "women" a fat pig. That is the definition of misleading.

No matter Trump has increased his lead in the polls. As for his appeal across party lines (everybody knows I'm an Obama supporter) here is a great explanation why people are flocking to Trump.

"He isn't a pandering politician. He is relatively centrist and populist. He has a long track record without any damaging scandals. He seems more than the others to be genuinely interested in being a good leader for the country, rather than only for his base (as he doesn't really have a base to pander to.)

In short, the rest of the field looks slimy and self-serving. Trump has proven successful enough at serving himself that he comes off as credibly genuine and not like he's running to make more money or get more recognition or power. He is less easily corruptible than a politician looking to trade favors and pander for votes.

And the media reaction to him only serves to make the media look like corrupt establishment boot lickers seeking to control the narrative and the political process entirely.

I guess it takes power to speak truth to power, sometimes."
 
I knew Megyn Kelly was after Donald Trump the second she said, "for the record, it was more than Rosie O'Donnell"... she had a look on her face, tone in her voice, etc... she wanted it crystal clear that he made unfavorable remarks about women. She was after him, for sure. After watching the debate I though "Megyn Kelly likes Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz", and it showed.
 
LOL at Foxnews attempting to execute the GOP marching orders to take out Trump.
 
I don't know the accuracy, but there was a story yesterday about Ailes having been a supporter of Trump, but Murdoch didn't like Trump. The orders came from Murdoch. IF that is true, the conversation between Ailes and Trump today may have been to defuse the situation.

I think the questions asked by Kelly were legitimate. But, I wonder if she would have asked that negative of a question of another of the candidates? Was she specifically directing her energy to Trump on Murdoch's orders? Was it personal? It's not like everyone up there had ideal records on women.

Would the insult of being targeted drive Trump into a third party candidacy?
 
sybarite said:
I don't know the accuracy, but there was a story yesterday about Ailes having been a supporter of Trump, but Murdoch didn't like Trump. The orders came from Murdoch. IF that is true, the conversation between Ailes and Trump today may have been to defuse the situation.

I think the questions asked by Kelly were legitimate. But, I wonder if she would have asked that negative of a question of another of the candidates? Was she specifically directing her energy to Trump on Murdoch's orders? Was it personal? It's not like everyone up there had ideal records on women.

Would the insult of being targeted drive Trump into a third party candidacy?
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Right. I wonder if the moderator for the Democrat debate would ask Mrs. Clinton about her attempts to denigrate the women her husband sexually harassed? That seems worse than any words Trump has ever said
 
sybarite said:
I think the questions asked by Kelly were legitimate. But, I wonder if she would have asked that negative of a question of another of the candidates?
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She did asked most other contestants tough questions. Specifically calling into question the brain surgeons intelligence when it comes to politics.

She questioned Walker on his anti abortion no matter what stance.

There were countless questions that I remember thinking "damn, they aren't pulling any punches"

We know the left won't pull any punches. I love that Fox news came at all candidates like they did. If they think this is too tough or if there is an agenda, they aren't fit to lead this nation
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
She did asked most other contestants tough questions. Specifically calling into question the brain surgeons intelligence when it comes to politics.

She questioned Walker on his anti abortion no matter what stance.

There were countless questions that I remember thinking "damn, they aren't pulling any punches"

We know the left won't pull any punches. I love that Fox news came at all candidates like they did. If they think this is too tough or if there is an agenda, they aren't fit to lead this nation
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Those are easy questions to answer. The abortion question is the easiest question for Republicans to answer out of any possible question. All you do is turn it back on Democrats, with so many of them having much more radical views on abortion than any Republican. It is much more radical to be okay with barbaric late term/partial birth abortions than any position that is held by a Republican. When asked, just turn it around on them, and then move onto more pressing economic and foreign policy questions. It's not hard.
 
playmakr said:
Those are easy questions to answer. The abortion question is the easiest question for Republicans to answer out of any possible question. All you do is turn it back on Democrats, with so many of them having much more radical views on abortion than any Republican. It is much more radical to be okay with barbaric late term/partial birth abortions than any position that is held by a Republican. When asked, just turn it around on them, and then move onto more pressing economic and foreign policy questions. It's not hard.
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But walkers position is a little different than that typical republicans position. He isn't for abortions even to save the life of the mother. that is a pretty radical position.

But I find it weird that people think holding somebody accountable for remarks that they have made is out of line. Trumps makes a name off of making non political statements. He now has to answer for them.
 
Here's what we are learning.

sybarite is a Democrat who leans toward the middle.

I'm a dead in the middle independent who will switch back and forth based on the individual candidate.

BigAbd has worked his way towards the middle from the right.

Playmakr has been in the tank for the GOP but is actually showing slight signs of independence.

Bounce is exactly the puppet Fox News adores. They can lead him wherever they like.
 
bocabull said:
Here's what we are learning.

sybarite is a Democrat who leans toward the middle.

I'm a dead in the middle independent who will switch back and forth based on the individual candidate.

BigAbd has worked his way towards the middle from the right.

Playmakr has been in the tank for the GOP but is actually showing slight signs of independence.

Bounce is exactly the puppet Fox News adores. They can lead him wherever they like.
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I am not in the tank for the GOP. I'm far too libertarian for them.

I would never be in the tank for party that warmongers, is about sending people to jail for life for non violent drug offenses, fights legalizing pot, supports illegal wiretapping, sticks it to young people with student loans after their own and liberal policies jacked up tuition, has done nothing to stop the big health insurance companies from dominating the market and driving up prices, initiated TARP and the auto bailout, supported and signed into law No Child Left Behind, stands by allowing QE from the Fed, does nothing to simplify tax code, and many others.
 
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playmakr said:
I would never be in the tank for party that warmongers, is about sending people to jail for life for non violent drug offenses, fights legalizing pot, supports illegal wiretapping, sticks it to young people with student loans after their own and liberal policies jacked up tuition, has done nothing to stop the big health insurance companies from dominating the market and driving up prices, initiated TARP and the auto bailout, supported and signed into law No Child Left Behind, stands by allowing QE from the Fed, does nothing to simplify tax code, and many others.
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lol

As if those are all GOP problems entirely. Those are POLITICAL problems.
 
bocabull said:
Here's what we are learning.

sybarite is a Democrat who leans toward the middle.

I'm a dead in the middle independent who will switch back and forth based on the individual candidate.

BigAbd has worked his way towards the middle from the right.

Playmakr has been in the tank for the GOP but is actually showing slight signs of independence.

Bounce is exactly the puppet Fox News adores. They can lead him wherever they like.
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A lot of people make that assumption. Let me complicate the issue by naming the top Presidents in history:
1. Theodore Roosevelt
2. George Washington
3. Dwight David Eisenhower
4. Abraham Lincoln
5. Harry Truman
6. Thomas Jefferson
7. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
8. Lyndon Johnson
9. James Madison
10. Barack Obama

The worst: Bush and Reagan.
I was a campaign worker for Goldwater. But, I am not a Democrat. I am solidly anti-right wing Republican, just as I was solidly anti-Democrat until 1968. Social liberal, economic mixed.
 
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