I know the right wing believes all of the anti-Hillary stuff. I think the liberals believe all of the Republicans are absolutely insane. Do the people that don't have their minds made up, all five or ten percent of them, listen to the negative ads any more? I think they are used because it is easier to attack than to defend. But, it seems that crying wolf too often has jaded a lot of us.
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It won't work on a single independent voter. To the contrary it will backfire just like every other mythical Clinton "scandal" of the past 25 years.
It simply reveals the lack of substance of the Republican Party. Trump is trying to change that and he will hit her on it during the primary to appeal to the neanderthals but the general election will be won on ideas like it always is and why the GOP has done so poorly for almost 30 years.
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lol @ this. This is right up there with Playmakr criticizing QE , TARP and the GM bailouts. He's not too bright when it comes to economics.
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Biden
I predict Biden Vs. Rubio and Kasich (VP) in the general. Not sure who Biden would tab as running mate, maybe Booker
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I'm happy to discuss anything with you.
I recall having to correct you on Capital Gains. I'm more than happy to assist or guide you through any other policy/discussion point. I'm sure you will make some valid points on any of those 3 decisions, and I'm happy to discuss them.
And don't bother with your usual condescension, it has no effect.
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lol @ you knowing 1/100th as much as me about Capital gains tax structure.
Again, anybody against QE, TARP & the GM rescue is a laughable clown when it comes to economics and finance. Still waiting for that run away inflation Peter Schiff. lol lol lol
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For all your vast knowledge, it's odd that you would be in favor of increasing the rate. As you found out, from me,
decreasing the rate has historically actually increased revenue, and vice verse. This is why Bill Clinton had the wherewithal to lower the rates.
I don't bother with guys like Schiff, he's just trying to get everyone scared so they buy gold lol
I'll submit to you that QE is good for some people. Goldman, JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley, and guys like you pretend to be. I'll also submit GM bailout had winners as well.
Again, I'm happy to discuss QE, Tarp, and GM "rescue" at length. I know you're side of it. I know you get your opinions from Krugmann. I read everything Krugmann writes, so I know what you will come with. Have at it.
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Lol @ people so unsophisticated they still buy the fake claim that cutting tax rates raises revenues. This is the ignorant fraud the GOP donors have paid their puppet candidates & think tanks to claim to mislead their sheep which obviously you are one. Another reason they are concerned about Trump, he says the flat tax is idiotic and that capital gains and ordinary income should have the same rate.
Please show me a 5 year capital gains tax total pre rate cut and post rate cut. Not a cherry picked transition year where people made strategic moves. A 5 year total before and after. Waiting for the numbers.
As for Hillary she is in the strongest position of any non incumbent candidate in history. The only people suggesting otherwise are fox news brain dead zombies or pundits looking for clicks.
Please show me a 5 year capital gains tax total pre rate cut and post rate cut. Not a cherry picked transition year where people made strategic moves. A 5 year total before and after. Waiting for the numbers.
As for Hillary she is in the strongest position of any non incumbent candidate in history. The only people suggesting otherwise are fox news brain dead zombies or pundits looking for clicks.
Not only do Capital gains tax rate generate additional revenues after they are implemented, they generate additional revenue at the lower rate before they are implemented.
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Suggesting that lower capital gains tax rates create more tax revenue is laughable. You won't hear a single credible person making that argument, you will hear a lot of GOP bought and paid for puppets saying it. They will say look capital gains revenue in 1986 was higher than 1987 and the dummies will eat it up. Never mind the reason is because people rushed to lock in lower rates in 1986 and black monday in 1987 wiped out all the gains. lol lol lol
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Suggesting that lower capital gains tax rates create more tax revenue is laughable. You won't hear a single credible person making that argument, you will hear a lot of GOP bought and paid for puppets saying it. They will say look capital gains revenue in 1986 was higher than 1987 and the dummies will eat it up. Never mind the reason is because people rushed to lock in lower rates in 1986 and black monday in 1987 wiped out all the gains. lol lol lol
Who are the losers? Other than the people who got every prediction wrong like you.
I don't have an opinion. I have record household wealth, GDP growth, millions of new jobs created, below target inflation, record corporate earnings, record equity valuations, dividend yields, treasury yields, unemployment rates, average hourly wages, deficit reduction, etc. As a matter of fact new jobless claims are at a 40 year low.
Really what do you have other than wrong predictions? And LOL if you trot out workforce participation and median income both of which are irrelevantly skewed due to demographic baby boomer retirement and smaller households.
Wait I know some huge losers. Dopes who watch Fox News and listened to scammers telling them the fed printing machine (QE) was going to cause runaway inflation and when the party ended the stock market would crash. So instead of being long equities like every smart investor they held out or even worse bought gold. Or maybe instead of gold they invested in oil because the $ was going to crash so the story goes. lol lol They get what they deserve. They are losers not because of QE, because they are stupid.
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Keep in mind this is about gains rates. We can discuss overall tax policy if you like as well.
So, I then have two questions.
1) Why did Bill Clinton lower the rates?
2) If data were to be presented showing an increase in the rate leading to lower gains revenue and a decrease in the rate leading to increased gains revenue, would you say anyone who thinks the opposite is true is unsophisticated? I'll get back to this question.
I'm happy to do that.
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=161
Now I apologize you will have to zoom in to see the data or the link takes you right too it.
So let us review the data together.
In 1978 the max rate was 40%, by 1982 the max rate 20%. In those 4 years, the revenue gained from those rates went up by 40%. A rate decrease in 1982 through 1986 saw a 400% increase in revenue. I repeat Boca, a 400% increase. What slowed that momentum down? You guessed it, a rate hike in 1986, killing revenue from rates. It took 10 years to get revenue back up to 1986 levels, and then boom it takes off again when Clinton lowers the rates in the late 90s.
Now, I'll submit that other economic factors play a role in this data, and there are times where the revenue levels off some in the long term. (not surprising) But this data puts you in a pretty tough position.
So let's return to this question I posed....
What do you say?
Of which programs? I don't want to conflate things.
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play, don't enter into a conversation with him. He won't listen to facts. he will just make another insult and continue off on another trail
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Please provide a list of her accomplishments (beside being married to Bill, which I do admit is an accomplishment)....and I will be happy to discuss those with you.
Even her own party is turning on her:
http://theweek.com/articles/571567/hillary-clinton-democratic-partys-ticking-time-bomb
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I didn't comment on her qualifications. I commented on her undeniable front runner status which is the strongest in history.
As to her qualifications she's a democratic party employee which makes her more qualified than the republican party employees which have a worse business model.
You obviously did not read the article I linked on why 1986 rose. 1986 was during a massive bull market preceding an impending rate hike. lol @ comparing 1986 where realized capital gains totaled 7.35% of GDP to 1978 where they totaled 2.20% of GDP.
Your cherry picked unsophisticated math is exactly why deficits explode under Republicans and decline under Democrats. Not a single Republican president since Eisenhower has left a smaller deficit in relation to GDP than he inherited. Trump is so right when he says the economy performs better under Democrats. He's the only hope to pull the GOP out of the stone ages.
Top capital gains are at 23.8% right now which is in the middle of the range and fine. Tax rates should not be adjusted up or down. We locked in the ordinary income lower bracket rates from W, and the top bracket rates from Clinton. Smooth sailing. Obama's stewardship of the economy has been tremendous which is why he has presided over by far the largest increase in household wealth in 60 years.
History will be very kind to Obama. As it will be equally harsh to W.
