Trump appeal broad

[bocabull]

The problem is that is prohibits the typical Republican committee campaign style. The campaign theme has been an attack on some specific issue that concerns the public for some strange reason: Willie Horton ad, Swift Boat ads, Truther ads. Rather than present a Republican approach, especially the recent campaigns have been totally focused as attacks. This year, they knew that Hillary was popular, as was her husband. They spent the past four years doing nothing other than attacking Hillary. They have had about three or four different committees investigate Benghazi. When that didn't work, they investigated Benghazi emails. The focus has been totally on destroying her credibility with a Swift Boat type approach on the Benghazi thing.

What Trump has done has been to define that HE can't run on that issue. He is on tape too many times with the opposite opinion.

Pretty sure Trumps praise of Hillary is from when she was the Senator from NY. Anyway, again it's a positive he wouldn't run on those fake issues during the general election. Independents are smart enough to laugh them off. Benghazi is only considered a relevant issue by the 40% brain dead die hard right wing lemmings who will believe anything and vote for any dummy on the GOP ticket.

The best thing Trump is on record of saying is around 2004 when asked why he switched the democrat, he said "because the economy performs better under democrats". It's a 100% fact. Things like that won't hurt him in a general election. They will hurt him in the primary.

 

[thebigabd]

Pretty sure Trumps praise of Hillary is from when she was the Senator from NY. Anyway, again it's a positive he wouldn't run on those fake issues during the general election. Independents are smart enough to laugh them off. Benghazi is only considered a relevant issue by the 40% brain dead die hard right wing lemmings who will believe anything and vote for any dummy on the GOP ticket.

The best thing Trump is on record of saying is around 2004 when asked why he switched the democrat, he said "because the economy performs better under democrats". It's a 100% fact. Things like that won't hurt him in a general election. They will hurt him in the primary.

Would be interesting to see economic numbers since 1950 under Republican and Democratic leadership. Surely someone has done an analysis somewhere that says, "the country operates better under the leadership of ___________ party". Something that you can't even refute. Here are the facts, that is all.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Just please don't let it be Jeb vs Hillary. That would be depressing. I hope Biden gets in. People give him crap and call it a gaff when he speaks his mind. Guy is just brutally honest. Get a shotgun!! This is a big effing deal!! Etc lol

Joe is a great guy and a great American. Guys wife got killed and he took the train home every night from DC to be a dad.

i like biden. I think he is not fit to be vp or president though. speaking your mind isn't always a valid excuse when what you are speaking is false or lies

i do feel for the guy though and I think he is a good guy...even though he isn't doing catholics a favor

 

[SoonerBounce13]

It's difficult to walk that back when it's all on tape.

only if you are a republican!

 

[SoonerBounce13]

didn't trump say that mccain wasn't a hero or somesuch b/c he was captured?

 

[thebigabd]

didn't trump say that mccain wasn't a hero or somesuch b/c he was captured?

What does that have to do with anything? He said something people disagree with, which is the primary driver of everything in our politically correct culture. The second you say something people think is offensive or don't agree with, the social media monster comes out and demands fake apologies, firings, or some kind of action.

The only questions that matter during a presidential election are:

• Which candidate is going to advance the economy?
• Which candidate is going to advance America's interests abroad?
• Which candidate is going to resolve tough issues like healthcare and immigration?

Of course that is simplified and there are important issues everywhere, but I try not to get caught up in something one of them said about something that doesnt matter.

If that is Trump, I will vote for him... if it is Clinton, I will vote for her. Nothing else matters. Their personal opinions on trivial matters are irrelevant.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

What does that have to do with anything?

Not sure if serious? It isn't about having a differing opinion...it is showing his thought process and how crazy he actually is. I want a sane person in office that isn't going to make rash decisions.

Nothing else matters. Their personal opinions on trivial matters are irrelevant.

To you maybe. To many Americans, the type of man or woman matters as well. They may have a sound plan for the economy, foreign relations, and everything else you mentioned but if they appear to have bad moral fiber, I'm not going to vote for them

 

[WTSooner]

What does that have to do with anything? He said something people disagree with, which is the primary driver of everything in our politically correct culture. The second you say something people think is offensive or don't agree with, the social media monster comes out and demands fake apologies, firings, or some kind of action.

The only questions that matter during a presidential election are:

• Which candidate is going to advance the economy?
• Which candidate is going to advance America's interests abroad?
• Which candidate is going to resolve tough issues like healthcare and immigration?

Of course that is simplified and there are important issues everywhere, but I try not to get caught up in something one of them said about something that doesnt matter.

If that is Trump, I will vote for him... if it is Clinton, I will vote for her. Nothing else matters. Their personal opinions on trivial matters are irrelevant.

So how are you going to decide the answer to those questions you listed? From what they say during these debates?

Bwhahahahahahahahaha.....

Sorry, I just found that funny. Politicians lie. All of them. Nearly all the time. Period. Democrats lie. Republicans lie. They all lie.

I'm going to decide who to vote for based on things they've said and done when nobody was watching. Before they decided to run for President. When they were more likely to be their "true selves".

 

[thebigabd]

So if "Candidate A" will improve the lives of Americans, institute policies which better our country, etc but is a piece of **** you won't vote for him.

But you will vote for "Candidate B" if he has strong moral fiber but won't do as well for our country as Candidate A?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So if "Candidate A" will improve the lives of Americans, institute policies which better our country, etc but is a piece of **** you won't vote for him.

If he is a POS with morals that don't match mine, correct.

But you will vote for "Candidate B" if he has strong moral fiber but won't do as well for our country as Candidate A?

No

 

[bocabull]

Will be interesting to see what happens Thursday. Rarely watch the "debates" because they are fake and scripted and boring. Tried to watch a little preview last night with that New Hamshire forum but couldnt take more than a couple minutes. All blabbing the same boring regurgitated right wing talking points.

Trump really has a chance because the cast of candidates is absolutely terrible. Say what you want the guy is interesting and has personality.

Did you see Scott Walker financial disclosures the guy has a 27.4% credit card maxed out, massive student loans and is insolvent? lol What kind of moron would vote for a broke guy to be put in charge of an $18 trillion economy? He claims to be "frugal". No dude, your just poor. lol

 

[thebigabd]

Will be interesting to see what happens Thursday. Rarely watch the "debates" because they are fake and scripted and boring. Tried to watch a little preview last night with that New Hamshire forum but couldnt take more than a couple minutes. All blabbing the same boring regurgitated right wing talking points.

Trump really has a chance because the cast of candidates is absolutely terrible. Say what you want the guy is interesting and has personality.

Did you see Scott Walker financial disclosures the guy has a 27.4% credit card maxed out, massive student loans and is insolvent? lol What kind of moron would vote for a broke guy to be put in charge of an $18 trillion economy? He claims to be "frugal". No dude, your just poor. lol

Trump has to be licking his chops running against Mike Huckabee, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, etc.... The field is embarrassing for the GOP.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Seems like Walker would be perfect for how the fed likes to operate.

No dude, your just poor

I thought you libs liked the poor and are all about helping them up on their feet

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Trump has to be licking his chops running against Mike Huckabee, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, etc.... The field is embarrassing for the GOP.

In a vaccuum the gop candidates are not really that bad. But when the media likes to smear them from day 1, the average american thinks poorly of them. It wouldn't matter whom the GOP threw up there, the left and media would instantly cut them down.

 

[bocabull]

In a vaccuum the gop candidates are not really that bad. But when the media likes to smear them from day 1, the average american thinks poorly of them. It wouldn't matter whom the GOP threw up there, the left and media would instantly cut them down.

They are terrible. Good lord Scott Walker is a college dropout who at 47 years old has a 27% credit card maxed out and is insolvent. I'm beginning to see why conservatives think federal debt is bad. They are all in debt and think if it's bad for them it must be bad for the government. This reveals how dumb they are. The federal fiscal system is designed to run a 3% of GDP deficit to facilitate savings. Those US treasury notes they sell are risk free savings for corporations, pension funds, etc. Way more than 3% of GDP is seeking these investments.

As for liberals, they are generally wealthy and sophisticated and understand the lower tier of society needs a safety net and protection from predatory lending and the likes. Hilarious that a Republican presidential candidate is so unsophisticated he's one of the lower tier of society who needs protection. lol lol

 

[thebigabd]

In a vaccuum the gop candidates are not really that bad. But when the media likes to smear them from day 1, the average american thinks poorly of them. It wouldn't matter whom the GOP threw up there, the left and media would instantly cut them down.

It's really a terrible cast... Honestly, I like Mitt Romney. I think he could have won many other elections, but had the misfortune of running against Obama. Obama is one of the great campaigners in American history. There is nobody in the field as strong as Romney.

Huckabee is the biggest joke on the stage. He is a complete moron. The Bush dynasty ended in disaster, trillions in war debt, thousands of Americans dead, and 2 years of peace between 3 presidential terms.

Walker is a clown.... Rubio is legit, I don't have any major problems with him but he isn't even registering in the polls right now.

Trump is the most successful person on stage. I would vote for Trump or Rubio, but none of the others.

 

[WTSooner]

They are terrible. Good lord Scott Walker is a college dropout who at 47 years old has a 27% credit card maxed out and is insolvent. I'm beginning to see why conservatives think federal debt is bad. They are all in debt and think if it's bad for them it must be bad for the government. This reveals how dumb they are. The federal fiscal system is designed to run a 3% of GDP deficit to facilitate savings. Those US treasury notes they sell are risk free savings for corporations, pension funds, etc. Way more than 3% of GDP is seeking these investments.

As for liberals, they are generally wealthy and sophisticated and understand the lower tier of society needs a safety net and protection from predatory lending and the likes. Hilarious that a Republican presidential candidate is so unsophisticated he's one of the lower tier of society who needs protection. lol lol

Scott Walker is not a presidential candidate. He has zero chance of being one of the top Repub guys. Who is the 8th best candidate the Dems would run out there? Bet he's a POS individual as well.

And lmao at your last paragraph. That is some funny sh*t.

 

[stormspencer]

They are terrible. Good lord Scott Walker is a college dropout who at 47 years old has a 27% credit card maxed out and is insolvent. I'm beginning to see why conservatives think federal debt is bad. They are all in debt and think if it's bad for them it must be bad for the government. This reveals how dumb they are. The federal fiscal system is designed to run a 3% of GDP deficit to facilitate savings. Those US treasury notes they sell are risk free savings for corporations, pension funds, etc. Way more than 3% of GDP is seeking these investments.

As for liberals, they are generally wealthy and sophisticated and understand the lower tier of society needs a safety net and protection from predatory lending and the likes. Hilarious that a Republican presidential candidate is so unsophisticated he's one of the lower tier of society who needs protection. lol lol

To be fair, Donald Trump companies have filed for bankruptcy 4 separate times. You can certainly make the argument he hasn't handled his businesses well at certain times in the past. He inherited an estimated $40 - $200 million from his father (real estate tycoon Fred Trump) in real estate (housing units) and other assets. To simply intimate that he is brilliant and created a multi-billionaire dollar empire doesn't tell the whole story....especially if you understand the dynamics of real estate in the markets of the five boroughs.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/06/donald-trump-companies-bankruptcy-atlantic-city

In 1990, due to excessive leveraging, The Trump Organization revealed that it was $5 billion in debt ($8.8 billion by some estimates), with $1 billion personally guaranteed by Trump himself. The survival of the company was made possible only by a bailout pact agreed upon in August of that same year by some 70 banks, allowing Trump to defer on nearly $1 billion in debt, as well as to take out second and third mortgages on almost all of his properties. If it were not for the collective effort of all banks and parties involved in that 1990 deal, Trump’s business would have gone bankrupt and failed.

http://www.alternet.org/story/156234/exposing_how_donald_trump_really_made_his_fortune%3A_inheritance_from_dad_and_the_government's_protection_mostly_did_the_trick


I'm not buying into Trump yet....although I did like the fact that he came out and said that he would de-fund the "butchers" at Planned Parenthood. However, I'm more intrigued by a guy like Kasich....who actually reached across the aisle and worked with democrats in Ohio on several pieces of legislation. His track record is very good as governor/congressman and he was the ranking member of the House Budget Committee for several years. Thus he understands Washington and seems to have the charisma to actually listen to the other side when formulating policy.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Kasich

i like him, but he looks too much like jim bob duggar:ez-roll:

 

[bocabull]

Kasich disqualified himself by saying we need to send combat troops back to Iraq. His "success" is greatly exaggerated. In the 90s he rode Clintons economic and fiscal coat tails and recently he's rode the Obama economy success. He did expand Medicaid which means he's not a complete idiot like the GOP governors who refused.

His problem is he's the same old same old GOP party line huckster. The party has been in decline since the Gingrich days. He's more of the same. he would be pretty easy for Hillary to run against and beat.

Trump strategy is simple. These guys are not as smart, energetic and accomplished as me. I'm the best man for the job. Screw the party. He will reach out to every segment of the electorate with that argument. It works against every candidate on both sides.