What happens to OU and the Big 12?

[stoops4pres]

So Cheno you are saying the Big 10 is better than the Big 12?

Football there is no way from top to bottom. Basketball is about even and depending on where Mizzou goes.

Exactly my thoughts. I get tired of some people saying "Mizzou will have more trouble in the Big 10 in football." Recently, that's completely false. The Big 10 hasn't been as good as the Big 12 over the last few seasons.

And right now, they'd have an easier time in bball if they jump. The Big 12 has been a better conference in bball over the past few seasons, and since 2002 they are up near the top in NCAA Tournament performance.

 

[Sooner Quick]

Missouri is not middle of the road in football.

Kansas State, Texas A&M, Colorado are middle of the road.

Missouri is tied for worst with the other perennial losers Kansas, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech & Iowa State.

Missouri might be middle of the road because they are in the North but they are not tied for the worst in the league. Mizzou was 2nd in the leage last year, OSU was 2nd in the south, Tech tied for 3rd with OU. The year before that KU was in a BCS bowl, Mizzou won the north, Tech tied for 1rst in the South with OU and Texas and won 2nd by the tie breaker.

Not sure how you come up with them being perennial losers.

 

[Sooner Quick]

Exactly my thoughts. I get tired of some people saying "Mizzou will have more trouble in the Big 10 in football." Recently, that's completely false. The Big 10 hasn't been as good as the Big 12 over the last few seasons.

And right now, they'd have an easier time in bball if they jump. The Big 12 has been a better conference in bball over the past few seasons, and since 2002 they are up near the top in NCAA Tournament performance.

Exactly! Ohio St has been about the only team worth anything in their boring low scoring conference. Iowa and Penn St and sometimes Wisky but its just boring football imo. I just don't get it. To me I would like to see the Big 12 South take Nebraska and Mizzou and reform the Big 8!

 

[bocabull]

The Big XII is overrated in football.

If you have never won the conference by definition you are a perennial loser.

Lol @ okie state football. They are a pathetic joke.

 

[sys]

what happens to ou and the big 12?

you find a wisconsin board, the rest of us stay here?


i don't think nu is all that enthusiastic about leaving. cu to the pac 10 is a pipedream. mu leaving, by itself, doesn't change the conference much.

 

[Darwin]

I don't know for sure but doesn't state government approve these realignments. If you are the only D1 school in the state then no problem but OU and OSU, KU and KSU are attached at the hip, probably the same with the Texas schools. My point is a conference would love to get OU but may not want to divide the pie with OSU.

 

[playmakr]

The Big XII is overrated in football.

If you have never won the conference by definition you are a perennial loser.

Lol @ okie state football. They are a pathetic joke.

Compared to which league?

 

[bocabull]

No comparison needed. But how many times do you need to see Okie State or Texas Tech and their supposedly great team get smashed by 5 TD's by OU or Texas and then go to the cotton bowl and get smacked around and shut down by the 5th or 6th best team in the SEC?

And that great Missouri team lost to Navy in their bowl game. lol

Of course the Big 10 is better and deeper than the Big XII because after the Big 3s which are equal (OU, Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State & Michigan) they have Iowa and Wisconsin and we fall of the cliff. Maybe you forgot Purdue beating Kansas State in the Alamo that year which happens all the time.

 

[stoops4pres]

No comparison needed. But how many times do you need to see Okie State or Texas Tech and their supposedly great team get smashed by 5 TD's by OU or Texas and then go to the cotton bowl and get smacked around and shut down by the 5th or 6th best team in the SEC?

And that great Missouri team lost to Navy in their bowl game. lol

Of course the Big 10 is better and deeper than the Big XII because after the Big 3s which are equal (OU, Texas, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State & Michigan) they have Iowa and Wisconsin and we fall of the cliff. Maybe you forgot Purdue beating Kansas State in the Alamo that year which happens all the time.

So you're picking Big 12/Big 10 matchups from 10 years ago to fit your argument? Please.

Yeah, in the late 90's the Big 10 was the best conference. At this point in time, however, that couldn't be further from the truth. The Big 12 has been better, regardless of the fact that they have struggled in the Cotton Bowl vs. SEC teams. Its not whether the Big 12 is better then the SEC, its whether they are better then the Big 10. And over the past few seasons its not even up for discussion, the Big 12 has been.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

OU is one of the Top 10 or so "brands" in college sports and I am comfortable that if anything happened to the B12, we would be immediately asked to join several other conferences.

My ONLY concern is that we get the invitation but get stuck having to bring oSu with us, whether the new conference wants them or not. If that causes us to have to go the Mountain West or Conferene USA, I'll be livid.

 

[bocabull]

So you're picking Big 12/Big 10 matchups from 10 years ago to fit your argument? Please.

Yeah, in the late 90's the Big 10 was the best conference. At this point in time, however, that couldn't be further from the truth. The Big 12 has been better, regardless of the fact that they have struggled in the Cotton Bowl vs. SEC teams. Its not whether the Big 12 is better then the SEC, its whether they are better then the Big 10. And over the past few seasons its not even up for discussion, the Big 12 has been.

The Big XII has not been better, just has a lot of teams that play no defense so the wanna bes like Okie State & Texas Tech score a lot of points and get overrated only to get shut down vs every real team they play.

The same is not true for Iowa and Wisconsin. The Big XII wanna bes are more in line with Purdue and Illinois.

For the life of me I have never understood why an OU fan would pump up the pathetic stepchildren of our conference. I guess all those embarrassing losses have given some the need to pump up our resume by inflating the patsies we beat in conference.

 

[stoops4pres]

The Big XII has not been better, just has a lot of teams that play no defense so the wanna bes like Okie State & Texas Tech score a lot of points and get overrated only to get shut down vs every real team they play.

The same is not true for Iowa and Wisconsin. The Big XII wanna bes are more in line with Purdue and Illinois.

So if the Big 12 has not been better, then why do the stats indicate otherwise? Why have they been rated better then the Big 10 the last 3 seasons in a row? Again, recently, its not up for discussion: The Big 12 has been better.

 

[boksooner]

OU is one of the Top 10 or so "brands" in college sports and I am comfortable that if anything happened to the B12, we would be immediately asked to join several other conferences.

My ONLY concern is that we get the invitation but get stuck having to bring oSu with us, whether the new conference wants them or not. If that causes us to have to go the Mountain West or Conferene USA, I'll be livid.

That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever heard. OSU is a significant athletic program. They would have no problem getting into a major conference. I would be surprised if Joe C and Boren would want to go to a conference without their cross state rival.

There is not a scenario short of OU shutting down their football program that would force them to go to the Mountain West or Conference USA.

 

[Sam]

Bok and OSU Jeff are the same person, good to know.

 

[bocabull]

So if the Big 12 has not been better, then why do the stats indicate otherwise? Why have they been rated better then the Big 10 the last 3 seasons in a row? Again, recently, its not up for discussion: The Big 12 has been better.

Big 10 won the Rose, Orange and Capital One Bowls last year. Stats mean nothing when you are playing popcorn state which was proven when the Big XII won no real bowls.

And when you say it is not up for debate that means you can't back up your claim.

BTW, doesn't it bother you that Stoops has no sooner magic? He makes Mack Brown look like a genius these days the way he befuddles his way through games.

Just be thankful OU is in the Little 12 instead of a real conference so we can pad our history just like we did in the Big 8.

 

[stoops4pres]

Big 10 won the Rose, Orange and Capital One Bowls last year. Stats mean nothing when you are playing popcorn state which was proven when the Big XII won no real bowls.

So the Big 10 and Big 12 are only a 3 team conference? That's interesting, I thought they had 11 and 12, respectively.

And when you say it is not up for debate that means you can't back up your claim.

No, I say its not up for debate because that's exactly what it is: Not up for debate. This past year was the first year in awhile that the Big 10 has shown any kind of relevance, and they still weren't as good as the Big 12 from top to bottom. That is why they were ranked lower, because collectively, they weren't as good of a league.

Because contrary to your flawed reasoning, the argument is whether or not Missouri would have a harder time winning as much in the Big 10 as they would in the Big 12, not how they would fare vs. the top 2 teams of each conference... Or in other words the way you believe it should be judged.

BTW, doesn't it bother you that Stoops has no sooner magic? He makes Mack Brown look like a genius these days the way he befuddles his way through games.

Just be thankful OU is in the Little 12 instead of a real conference so we can pad our history just like we did in the Big 8.

LOL, "Little 12"... Compared to your Big 10 Conference, that statement is laughable at best. Anyhow, I see this troll bait you're trying to set me up with, but I'm not going to bite. I'm just going to tell you you're foolishly wrong (as you've been throughout the crux of this thread) and move on.

 

[ccmike9]

Boca, I've spent my life traveling between your "big 10" and "little 12" country(ies). To make a long story short, you're wrong.

 

[seniorsooner]

Am I on Owen Field?? I'm confused...

 

[skyvue]

People who can only use bowl results to support their arguments are worse than people who only follow college hoops in March.

Except for the title game, bowl games are the Twilight Zone of college football. Everyone's had a month off, you never know which team is going to show up. Like the early rounds of March Madness, there are always weird upsets.

Bowl games are fun, but mean little (again, the title game's obviously a different story), and they certainly don't provide conclusive proof of the superiority of one conference over another.

 

[seniorsooner]

One thing that concerns me about the proposed "Super Conferences" is the sheer amount of travel involved. A merger between the Big 12 and Pac 10 would result in OU constantly having to travel all the way to the west coast, whereas our longest road trips at this stage are Boulder and Ames.