What happens to OU and the Big 12?

[NickZepp]

I think OU, OSU, Texas, and Texas A&M are all headed to the same conference. It could be a new conference like a hybrid SEC/Big 12 or PAC 10 Big 12.

 

[boksooner]

I think if there is any validity to this, OU, UT, aTm and Florida State are immediately asked to join the SEC.

I doubt the ACC let's FSU go. I have a feeling that the ACC will be one of the new super conferences. They will probably poach the top basketball schools from the big east. I agree on the first three. I think the fourth will likely be TCU, OSU or Tech.

 

[stoops4pres]

I doubt the ACC let's FSU go. I have a feeling that the ACC will be one of the new super conferences. They will probably poach the top basketball schools from the big east. I agree on the first three. I think the fourth will likely be TCU, OSU or Tech.

I know tv revenue and what not makes this situation different, but FSU denied the SEC awhile back. I'm not so sure they would accept again.

 

[MI Sooner]

I'm not sure about state politics, so I'll leave those aside. KSU, OSU, and the other second fiddle schools in their states like TTU and Baylor don't really bring much to the table. First of all, football and basketball (and probably only football in a lot of cases) are what matter in terms of athletic money. And those 2nd schools are only notable BECAUSE of the conference they're in. If they weren't in the Big XII, they'd disappear relatively quickly. The Big 10 gets a lot of money because they have a lot of viewers. They have a lot of viewers because they have large alumni bases, but also because they're in large/midsize states that they, for the most part, dominate. Look at the number of TVs Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn St., and Ohio St. pull from. That's basically one major public program that dominates most or all of a state's fanbase.

Yes they have Northwestern, and Michigan, Indiana, and Illinois each have two Big 10 teams. But those three states have 25 million people (or so). Oklahoma and Kansas have 4 teams to split up around 6 - 7 million fans.

Ditch OSU, KSU, Baylor, and TTU in favor of BYU, UNM, and and a couple others (Arkansas, an Arizona or Nevada school), whatever. They'd quickly rise to the level of national prominence that OSU, KSU, et al enjoy (if they're not already there). OSU, KSU, would quickly fall to the level of Houston, UTEP, and NM St. You'd have the same quality of teams, but add 10+ million viewers.

 

[Darwin]

Ditch OSU, KSU, Baylor, and TTU in favor of BYU, UNM, and and a couple others (Arkansas, an Arizona or Nevada school), whatever. They'd quickly rise to the level of national prominence that OSU, KSU, et al enjoy (if they're not already there). OSU, KSU, would quickly fall to the level of Houston, UTEP, and NM St. You'd have the same quality of teams, but add 10+ million viewers.

I agree, a school like NM would begin like Baylor but would bring every TV in that state like Nebraska does. It would become more competitive quickly. Unfortunately it and other schools out west would increase the cost of minor sports. If they did expand west would TTU bring more TV sets than Isu because its got almost all of west Texas?

 

[Sooner Quick]

The Big XII is overrated in football.

If you have never won the conference by definition you are a perennial loser.

Lol @ okie state football. They are a pathetic joke.

:facepalm :ez-roll: Sometimes it best to not open your mouth than to open it and prove your actually 12. The Big 12 is no where near overrated in football. Last year was a bad year for injuries for a lot of Big 12 teams.
You are basing a conference being bad on your hatred for OSU. I'm beginning to think you are a closet OSU fan. You make no sense.

 

[bocabull]

:facepalm :ez-roll: Sometimes it best to not open your mouth than to open it and prove your actually 12. The Big 12 is no where near overrated in football. Last year was a bad year for injuries for a lot of Big 12 teams.
You are basing a conference being bad on your hatred for OSU. I'm beginning to think you are a closet OSU fan. You make no sense.

One can easily identify the intelligence and maturity level of an individual by the types of statements they consider insulting. Are you going to call me a girl next quickie?

 

[campbest]

Ditch OSU, KSU, Baylor, and TTU in favor of BYU, UNM, and and a couple others (Arkansas, an Arizona or Nevada school), whatever. They'd quickly rise to the level of national prominence that OSU, KSU, et al enjoy (if they're not already there). OSU, KSU, would quickly fall to the level of Houston, UTEP, and NM St. You'd have the same quality of teams, but add 10+ million viewers.

As a native New Mexican, I can say without a doubt this is incorrect.

I would love UNM to be in the Big XII for basketball, but the university is, cannot and would not ever be on the level of K-State or OSU. There are more TVs in the OKC metro area than the entire state of New Mexico. Your three primary markets for UNM sports are ABQ, SF and Farmington...lol. Las Cruces is strictly NM St and the eastern portion (Hobbs, Clovis, Carlsbad, Artesia, Roswell) split between the two state schools and Texas Tech. Plus when you look at the #'s the revenue generated from NM viewership in total is miniscule.

 

[bocabull]

There are lots of people from New Mexico who live in Scottsdale/Phoenix.

 

[campbest]

There are lots of people from New Mexico who live in Scottsdale/Phoenix.

If that is a bargaining ploy by any side, then they need to leave the boardroom immediately.

 

[MI Sooner]

As a native New Mexican, I can say without a doubt this is incorrect.

I would love UNM to be in the Big XII for basketball, but the university is, cannot and would not ever be on the level of K-State or OSU. There are more TVs in the OKC metro area than the entire state of New Mexico. Your three primary markets for UNM sports are ABQ, SF and Farmington...lol. Las Cruces is strictly NM St and the eastern portion (Hobbs, Clovis, Carlsbad, Artesia, Roswell) split between the two state schools and Texas Tech. Plus when you look at the #'s the revenue generated from NM viewership in total is miniscule.

ABQ is a bigger TV market than OKC.

Proof

 

[Shooterms]

One can easily identify the intelligence and maturity level of an individual by the types of statements they consider insulting. Are you going to call me a girl next quickie?

He'll probably just call you Jeffy. Or is Jr. better?

 

[campbest]

ABQ is a bigger TV market than OKC.

Proof

lol. That combines the three of the larger cities in New Mexico (ABQ, Rio Rancho and SF), but doesn't include the OKC metro area, only the city itself. SF and ABQ are not even close to the same metro area.
From Wikipedia:
"In 2008, the Oklahoma City-Shawnee Combined Statistical Area had a population of 1,275,758 residents.[7]"

Another source, as of 2005:
http://www.demographia.com/db-metrocore2005.htm

The 2009 census will reveal higher numbers than the one above.

 

[MI Sooner]

lol. That combines the three of the larger cities in New Mexico (ABQ, Rio Rancho and SF), but doesn't include the OKC metro area, only the city itself. SF and ABQ are not even close to the same metro area.
From Wikipedia:
"In 2008, the Oklahoma City-Shawnee Combined Statistical Area had a population of 1,275,758 residents.[7]"

Another source, as of 2005:
http://www.demographia.com/db-metrocore2005.htm

The 2009 census will reveal higher numbers than the one above.

That's how media markets work. You don't measure the population of the city, but the reach of the media in that city.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe that your numbers are correct (more TVs in metro OKC than in NM) when NM has over 2 million people, unless very few have TVs. Plus, all this discussion about money is related to TV contracts, so media markets are what matter, not metro areas.

Finally, while I don't know the dynamics of NM fandom, I find it hard to come up with numbers that would yield more OSU fans than UNM fans. And that's with OSU having membership in a major conference.

 

[campbest]

That's how media markets work. You don't measure the population of the city, but the reach of the media in that city.

Wait, so you can use the ABQ metro area plus Santa Fe (which is 3 out of the 4 largest cities in the state)...but you can't include the OKC metro area in the media market? That doesn't make sense. That entire 1.3 million (soon to be more) is part of the same media market. Furthermore, why not include all the other areas which get the OKC feed? You're probably approaching 1.8 million at that point.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe that your numbers are correct (more TVs in metro OKC than in NM) when NM has over 2 million people, unless very few have TVs. Plus, all this discussion about money is related to TV contracts, so media markets are what matter, not metro areas.

Under your definitition of media markets than not all 2 million people would count. Las Cruces and Southern NM (NM State) have their own feed, Eastern New Mexico (Roswell, Artesia, Hobbs, Carlsbad, Clovis) are split between TT, UNM and NM St., and Farmington/Kirtland/Bloomfield have a Four Corners feed, separate from the ABQ media market. In addition, very poor, rural state usually means less TV viewership. If you do the math, it would be close...just depends on your perameters.

Finally, while I don't know the dynamics of NM fandom, I find it hard to come up with numbers that would yield more OSU fans than UNM fans. And that's with OSU having membership in a major conference.

Well I do, there is a strong pocket in ABQ obviously, but after that it is very weak. It's a basketball alumni base, primarily due to the football team being terrible (winning records in the MWC and overall are considered a successful year) and the small graduates donor margin the university receives.

UNM will never be on the same level as Oklahoma State...ever.

 

[Tony]

Wait, so you can use the ABQ metro area plus Santa Fe (which is 3 out of the 4 largest cities in the state)...but you can't include the OKC metro area in the media market? That doesn't make sense. That entire 1.3 million (soon to be more) is part of the same media market. Furthermore, why not include all the other areas which get the OKC feed? You're probably approaching 1.8 million at that point.

I don't understand what you are getting at, camp. The Oklahoma City metro area is included in the Oklahoma media market. Here is a map of all the media markets in the country:

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/

Santa Fe is in the same media market as Albuquerque because they both receive the same media offerings.

 

[campbest]

I don't understand what you are getting at, camp. The Oklahoma City metro area is included in the Oklahoma media market. Here is a map of all the media markets in the country:

http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/

Santa Fe is in the same media market as Albuquerque because they both receive the same media offerings.

This is from the link he posted...which is incorrect:

44 Albuquerque-Santa Fe, NM 694,040
45 Oklahoma City, OK 694,030

OKC's media market (which includes the entire metro) is only 694,030? Find that hard to believe.

 

[Tony]

OKC's media market (which includes the entire metro) is only 694,030? Find that hard to believe.

But why? The OKC metro has a population of ~1.3 million people. 700,000 tv households seems about right to me, given the area covered in this market.

 

[campbest]

But why? The OKC metro has a population of ~1.3 million people. 700,000 tv households seems about right to me, given the area covered in this market.

lol...correction, I read that wrong.

 

[SoonerNorm]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5187507