What happens to OU and the Big 12?

[Mr.B!!!]

That is one of the most absurd statements I have ever heard. OSU is a significant athletic program. They would have no problem getting into a major conference. I would be surprised if Joe C and Boren would want to go to a conference without their cross state rival.

There is not a scenario short of OU shutting down their football program that would force them to go to the Mountain West or Conference USA.

If you accept that it is money (more particularly, greed) that is driving these proposed changes, then is it that far fetched to think that factors like revenue potential etc. will determine who gets invited? I'm not disparaging oSu as a program, and I would hope that we would keep playing them, but you are already seeing AD's like Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin popping off about the "split" that potential new members of the Big 10 should expect because he doesn't want schools like Wisconsin to be footing the bill for the new schools (more schools = less money UNLESS said new school adds value).

OU brings way more to the table than oSu with respect to being a "sports property" that can add value to a conference. That is just my opinion, but I think it is a reasonable one. These new "super conferences" are not being discussed because these conferences care about maintaining rivalries, they are being discussed so as to maximize revenue for the member schools. OU is a value added member to every conference in the country and is a reasonable academic fit with them as well. Sure oSu is competitive in several sports, but it isn't just about sports anymore...and when the AD at Florida (or any other AD in a "super conference") is asking the tough questions about $$$ a program will generate for the conference, I'm not sure that oSu would be seen as an attractive property.

You may think that my concern is "absurd", I do not..and if for whatever reason my concerns prove out, I do not want OU to be hamstrung in doing what is best for OU. Let me ask you this, what makes oSu more attractive than say, Texas Tech to a "super conference"? I can't think of anything, yet nobody on here ever mentions Tech as being asked to join the SEC or Pac-10 should the Big 12 dissolve. These conferences are already saddled with the Washington State's and Mississippi State's of the world...they are not looking to add more programs that the "name" schools are subsidizing. Perfect case, oSu comes with us, but we need to be prepared as a University to let them go if it is expedient.

 

[playmakr]

People who can only use bowl results to support their arguments are worse than people who only follow college hoops in March.

Except for the title game, bowl games are the Twilight Zone of college football. Everyone's had a month off, you never know which team is going to show up. Like the early rounds of March Madness, there are always weird upsets.

Bowl games are fun, but mean little (again, the title game's obviously a different story), and they certainly don't provide conclusive proof of the superiority of one conference over another.

I was just about to respond in the same way, until I saw your post.

I was wondering why someone would use bowl games to determine conference superiority. Bowl games are glorified exhibitions, save the title game. Hell, most teams practice their younger guys up until game week for bowls.

 

[stoops4pres]

Am I on Owen Field?? I'm confused...

I talked about basketball and how Mizzou would fare in this thread, but it is a bit of my fault that this has turned into a football discussion. I go here to talk strictly hoops, but when boca said something completely incorrect, I felt he should be called out on it.

 

[seniorsooner]

Let me ask you this, what makes oSu more attractive than say, Texas Tech to a "super conference"?

 

[stoops4pres]

People who can only use bowl results to support their arguments are worse than people who only follow college hoops in March.

Except for the title game, bowl games are the Twilight Zone of college football. Everyone's had a month off, you never know which team is going to show up. Like the early rounds of March Madness, there are always weird upsets.

Bowl games are fun, but mean little (again, the title game's obviously a different story), and they certainly don't provide conclusive proof of the superiority of one conference over another.

+1

Its ridiculous to ultimately judge a conference by its bowl performances. They can provide evidence on how good they are to a certain extent, but many times they are more aberrations then anything else.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Unless Boone is able to watch a five million television sets at a time, it doesn't matter. That said, I'd love to see Boone buy-off some of the AD's in the PAC-10 or SEC...THAT would be awesome.

 

[boksooner]

If you accept that it is money (more particularly, greed) that is driving these proposed changes, then is it that far fetched to think that factors like revenue potential etc. will determine who gets invited? I'm not disparaging oSu as a program, and I would hope that we would keep playing them, but you are already seeing AD's like Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin popping off about the "split" that potential new members of the Big 10 should expect because he doesn't want schools like Wisconsin to be footing the bill for the new schools (more schools = less money UNLESS said new school adds value).

OU brings way more to the table than oSu with respect to being a "sports property" that can add value to a conference. That is just my opinion, but I think it is a reasonable one. These new "super conferences" are not being discussed because these conferences care about maintaining rivalries, they are being discussed so as to maximize revenue for the member schools. OU is a value added member to every conference in the country and is a reasonable academic fit with them as well. Sure oSu is competitive in several sports, but it isn't just about sports anymore...and when the AD at Florida (or any other AD in a "super conference") is asking the tough questions about $$$ a program will generate for the conference, I'm not sure that oSu would be seen as an attractive property.

You may think that my concern is "absurd", I do not..and if for whatever reason my concerns prove out, I do not want OU to be hamstrung in doing what is best for OU. Let me ask you this, what makes oSu more attractive than say, Texas Tech to a "super conference"? I can't think of anything, yet nobody on here ever mentions Tech as being asked to join the SEC or Pac-10 should the Big 12 dissolve. These conferences are already saddled with the Washington State's and Mississippi State's of the world...they are not looking to add more programs that the "name" schools are subsidizing. Perfect case, oSu comes with us, but we need to be prepared as a University to let them go if it is expedient.

Rank	School	2008-09 Revenue
1	Texas	$138,459,149 
2	Ohio State	$119,859,607 
3	Florida	$108,309,060 
4	Alabama	$103,934,873 
5	LSU	$100,077,884 
6	Penn State	$95,978,243 
7	Michigan	$95,193,030 
8	Tennessee	$92,524,125 
9	Wisconsin	$89,842,749 
10	Auburn	$87,001,416 
11	Georgia	$81,496,357 
12	Oklahoma	$81,487,835 
13	Notre Dame	$81,088,368 
14	USC	$80,151,282 
15	Iowa	$79,521,143 
16	South Carolina	$76,254,236 
17	Michigan State	$75,624,811 
18	Nebraska	$74,881,383 
19	Stanford	$74,695,254 
20	Florida State	$74,417,324 
21	Cal	$73,354,967 
22	Texas A&M	$72,886,100 
23	Kentucky	$72,057,751 
[B]24	Oklahoma State	$71,805,825 [/B]
25	Duke	$71,072,431 
26	Kansas	$70,614,953 
27	Minnesota	$70,322,992 
28	North Carolina	$70,152,767 
29	Virginia	$67,141,170 
30	UCLA	$66,177,866 
31	Boston College	$64,157,876 
32	Arkansas	$63,978,641 
33	Miami	$61,969,808 
34	Indiana	$60,615,528 
35	Washington	$60,575,780 
36	Oregon	$60,283,512 
37	Clemson	$60,167,535 
38	Maryland	$59,966,862 
39	Purdue	$59,919,102 
40	Connecticut	$58,495,408 
41	Louisville	$58,023,326 
42	Missouri	$57,778,668 
43	West Virginia	$55,658,165 
44	Illinois	$55,609,086 
45	Rutgers	$54,304,756 
46	Arizona State	$53,297,963 
47	Virginia Tech	$52,838,905 
48	Syracuse	$52,050,104 
49	Arizona	$51,822,629 
50	Oregon State	$50,211,404 
51	Colorado	$49,859,693 
52	Northwestern	$48,582,384 
53	Baylor	$48,545,254 
54	Georgia Tech	$48,061,053 
55	Kansas State	$47,399,903 
[B]56	Texas Tech	$46,632,263 [/B]
57	NC State	$46,491,105 
58	TCU	$46,461,545 
59	Pittsburgh	$45,830,364 
60	Iowa State*	$45,813,189 
61	Vanderbilt	$45,582,274 
62	Wake Forest	$44,649,063 
63	Ole Miss	$41,318,068 
64	Washington State	$38,293,754

It's all about the money


I hate OSU as much as any OU fan, but your argument is just silly.

 

[seniorsooner]

We have a winner.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Can I get a cite for that list and what the sources of revenue were?

 

[boksooner]

Can I get a cite for that list and what the sources of revenue were?

The data is compiled from:

The top 64 revenue-producing athletic departments, according to 2008-09 school year data supplied to the department of education.

I got it from here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/02/16/conference-realignment/1.html

 

[bocabull]

No, I say its not up for debate because that's exactly what it is: Not up for debate. This past year was the first year in awhile that the Big 10 has shown any kind of relevance, and they still weren't as good as the Big 12 from top to bottom. That is why they were ranked lower, because collectively, they weren't as good of a league.

Ranked lower? The Big 10 finished with 3 teams ranked in the top 9. The Big XII one. I suppose you will now want to throw out the final rankings like you have to throw out the bowls?

Why don't we use the rankings before Texas Tech or Oklahoma State or Missouri played vs OU, Texas or Nebraska and before their bowl game? Is that when the "Real" rankings were done.

lol lol

I'm an OU fan. I will admit when we are good and when we are bad. That is all.

 

[stoops4pres]

Ranked lower? The Big 10 finished with 3 teams ranked in the top 9. The Big XII one. I suppose you will now want to throw out the final rankings like you have to throw out the bowls?

You didn't read my post. The conference was ranked lower than what you call "The Little 12". As it has been the last 3 seasons.

And when did I say you "have to throw out" the bowls? I said it shows how good a conference is to a certain extent, it doesn't ultimately prove which conference is better. I guess if bowls mean everything, according to your logic, the Mountain West was the best conference in 2007 and 2009, since they had the best bowl performance. So yeah... I'm going to continue with the theory that bowls don't ultimately prove which conference is better.

And like I said, you don't judge a conference by comparing 3 teams vs. another conference's 3 teams. That's flawed logic.

 

[Cheno]

So Cheno you are saying the Big 10 is better than the Big 12?
Football there is no way from top to bottom. Basketball is about even and depending on where Mizzou goes.

I think the Big 10 is typically deeper from top to bottom than the Big 12 in both football and basketball. Of course there are exceptions.
I don't see Missouri competing with the top Big 10 teams each year in either sport and then I'd think they'd run into more trouble with the middle to lower teams than in the Big 12. I think the Big 10's physicalness would challenge them more than some of the soft teams in the middle and bottom of the Big 12.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Thanks!

I'm absolutely amazed that oSu is only $1,000,000.00 less than aTm, absolutely amazed. aTm is the second largest school in a state that is ten times larger than Oklahoma. For that reason alone I question those numbers; but they are what they are so your point is well taken.

 

[seniorsooner]

The Big Ten Conference has extended initial offers to join the league to four universities including Missouri and Nebraska from the Big 12, according to multiple sources close to the negotiations.

While nothing can be approved until the Big Ten presidents and chancellors meet the first week of June in Chicago, the league has informed the two Big 12 schools, Notre Dame and Rutgers that it would like to have them join. It is not yet clear whether the Big Ten will expand to 14 or 16 teams but sources indicated Missouri and Nebraska are invited in either scenario. Notre Dame has repeatedly declined the opportunity to join the Big Ten. If Notre Dame remains independent, Rutgers would be the 14th team. The Big Ten would then decide whether to stop at 14 or extend offers to two other schools. If Notre Dame joins, sources say an offer will be extended to one other school making it a 16-team league.

In order for the University of Missouri to join the Big Ten, the Missouri Board of Regents will still have to approve the move. Sources close to the governing body say the Big Ten has told officials that Mizzou could add $1.3 million per month in revenue to the lucrative Big Ten Television Network. The Big Ten Network is currently offered on basic cable to very few of over 7 million residents living in Missouri television markets and adding it throughout the state will be a windfall for the conference.

Big Ten representatives have also told Missouri officials they would like to have the entire expansion process wrapped up this summer with a formal announcement coming no later than July.

The University of Missouri is currently under contract with the Big 12 conference and will have to pay a stiff penalty to leave the Big 12. The Big 12 charter states any member will lose between 50 and 100 percent of its shared annual revenue depending on the length of notice any school gives. According to published reports, Missouri receives around $9 million annually in shared football revenue from the Big 12. According to sources, it seems likely Missouri would give one- year notice. It is projected that Missouri's football revenues would increase by $10 million or more per year when it joins the Big Ten versus what it currently receives in the Big 12.

http://www.810whb.com/article/3531

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Welcome to being in the University of Texas Invitational Conference. Guess we are going to find out quite a few things over the course of the next month or two that are absolute gamechangers.

 

[sybarite]

This has been obvious for several years. Now, what happens to Texas?

We weren't proactive. Now, we must be reactive.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

This has been obvious for several years. Now, what happens to Texas?

We weren't proactive. Now, we must be reactive.

I think if there is any validity to this, OU, UT, aTm and Florida State are immediately asked to join the SEC.

 

[bocabull]

I think if there is any validity to this, OU, UT, aTm and Florida State are immediately asked to join the SEC.

That would be awesome.

 

[Darwin]

Here is a story about tv revenue in the B12 http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/2094/how-the-big-12-teams-rank-in-revenue-sharing-funds

1. Texas: $10.2 million
2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million
3. Kansas: $9.24 million
4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million
5. Nebraska: $9.1 million
6. Missouri: $8.4 million
7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million
8. Kansas State: $8.21 million
9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million
10. Colorado: $8.0 million
11. Iowa State: $7.4 million
12. Baylor: $7.1 million

OSU may be respectable but not overly attractive to a super conference. But our state government may not let OU go anywhere without little brother. The same may be true for the Texas schools.