What's worse than us smoooching Texas' proverbial buttocks...

[Mr.B!!!]

Collusion? Tampering?

If I were a UT coach, I would show Joe's statement to every recruit. I can't imagine the uproar that would be created in Columbus if tOSU AD would come out publically and proudly tell the Buckeye fans they were going to follow whatever Michigan decided to do.

Not 100% sure, but have a hunch that athletic departments are fixing to get some federal scrutiny re: non-taxable entities.

Re: UT coach, I would too. That is the biggest misstep of this whole fiasco...fairly or unfairly, this whole thing became about UT.

 

[skyvue]

I actually have two issues:

1. Why wasn't OU's stance publicly "we will do what is in the best interest of OU" vs "we will follow Texas"? I agree, we gained a lot of $$; however, who is running our PR?

2. The loss of Nebraska - I think that was a loss for the conference. Clearly they were the best team in the North. So why did it take them leaving to somehow come up with this new deal? It couldn't have taken place prior to them leaving? (Not that they would stay anyway)

At last -- someone willing to offer specifics!

I agree with #1; I think Joe C. probably wishes he could have that statement back, though who knows? Perhaps it was taken out of context and wasn't as bad in full context.

But that's just public perception. It doesn't mean he would have -- or should have -- actually done anything differently, even if he'd kept his cards closer to his vest.

No. 2 -- I wish Nebraska hadn't left, but who is there to be mad at? Not Joe C. or Boren, who seem to be taking most of the heat from the Grass-Is-Greener crowd.

As it is, NU's brand wasn't what it once was. Are they in the process of reviving their football program to Top Ten status? Perhaps, but I'm skeptical.

In any case, I don't know what we -- OU, and its decision makers -- could have done differently to prevent -- or in response to -- NU's departure. And running off willy-nilly to join a different conference simply because NU did so doesn't seem terribly prudent.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

At last -- someone willing to offer specifics!

I agree with #1; I think Joe C. probably wishes he could have that statement back, though who knows? Perhaps it was taken out of context and wasn't as bad in full context.

But that's just public perception. It doesn't mean he would have -- or should have -- actually done anything differently, even if he'd kept his cards closer to his vest.

No. 2 -- I wish Nebraska hadn't left, but who is there to be mad at? Not Joe C. or Boren, who seem to be taking most of the heat from the Grass-Is-Greener crowd.

As it is, NU's brand wasn't what it once was. Are they in the process of reviving their football program to Top Ten status? Perhaps, but I'm skeptical.

In any case, I don't know what we -- OU, and its decision makers -- could have done differently to prevent -- or in response to -- NU's departure. And running off willy-nilly to join a different conference simply because NU did so doesn't seem terribly prudent.

I think I agree with all of this...although the UT lapdog thing is irritating. I know this is a "hoops" board, but we need to kick the crap out of them in football next season so this feeling goes away [a bunch of fans have the same feeling].

 

[topcat]

I heard Gottlieb say something like ESPN has 500 million committed for the BCS contract and they would rather throw another 20-30million toward the Big12 so they would stay together than lose the BCS altogether.

 

[Cheno]

I heard Gottlieb say something like ESPN has 500 million committed for the BCS contract and they would rather throw another 20-30million toward the Big12 so they would stay together than lose the BCS altogether.

Exactly. That's what some people don't understand. The networks don't want 4 Super Conferences. CBS would lose billions from the NCAA tourney. ESPN like you said committed 500 million to the BCS. The conferences would have their own cable networks therefore limiting the games the other networks get. This Pac-16 was a pipe dream that many fell for....good thing Beebe and the Big 12 AD's/President's didn't.

 

[Sid]

Exactly. That's what some people don't understand. The networks don't want 4 Super Conferences. CBS would lose billions from the NCAA tourney. ESPN like you said committed 500 million to the BCS.

Collusion? Tampering? Who would end up getting the billions of dollars lost by CBS? I hope Nebraska refuses to pay the penalty for leaving the conference. I hope they take it to court so we can find out exactly what went on behind closed doors and which parties were involved. If there were any shenanigans going on by the networks or presidents of other schools outside the conference, it needs to be exposed. I think we are beginning to get an inkling of just how dirty the system really is.

The conferences would have their own cable networks therefore limiting the games the other networks get.

Are you saying that would be a bad thing for conference members?

This Pac-16 was a pipe dream that many fell for....good thing Beebe and the Big 12 AD's/President's didn't.

If it is a pipe dream, why were the networks scared? Why did Beebe speak to the Pac-10 in the first place if it was such a dumb idea?

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Collusion? Tampering? Who would end up getting the billions of dollars lost by CBS? I hope Nebraska refuses to pay the penalty for leaving the conference. I hope they take it to court so we can find out exactly what went on behind closed doors and which parties were involved. If there were any shenanigans going on by the networks or presidents of other schools outside the conference, it needs to be exposed. I think we are beginning to get an inkling of just how dirty the system really is.

Are you saying that would be a bad thing for conference members?

If it is a pipe dream, why were the networks scared? Why did Beebe speak to the Pac-10 in the first place if it was such a dumb idea?

Why did various AD's meet with the PAC-10 Commissioner? Pipe Dream? More like almost a reality...otherwise why would the other schools vote to bribe OU, UT and aTm.

 

[Cheno]

Why did various AD's meet with the PAC-10 Commissioner? Pipe Dream? More like almost a reality...otherwise why would the other schools vote to bribe OU, UT and aTm.

They met with them because they were selling a good story. Then the AD's took their due dilligence, did the research and found out it wasn't that good a deal. If it was, they'd be gone. End of story.

 

[Sid]

More like almost a reality...otherwise why would the other schools vote to bribe OU, UT and aTm.

That is an excellent question. I'm beginning to think Beebe schemed the whole thing. Not only was he was able to pull the wool over the eyes of the networks, but he was able to convince the other 7 stooges in the conference with no place to go to concede their share in buyout penalties. I want to know how aTm was able to weasel their way into receiving that sweetheart deal.

 

[Sid]

Scott said he believes the expansion to 16 teams with Texas leading the way failed for three reasons.

"Number One, I think there was a tsunami of Texas political pressure from Texas A&M and Baylor," he said. "Secondly, it's clear there was a great national fear that such a compelling plan would cause dramatic domino affects nationally, with other conferences."

Lastly, Scott added that he was given some strict parameters to work with by the university leaders who hired him about a year ago.

"My marching orders were clear. There are essential principles and values the Pac-10 holds true to that we were not going to compromise as part of trying to get a deal done."

Scott would not elaborate, but it's worth noting that in the Pac-10 revenue is shared equally between members and in the Big 12 the most successful programs such as Texas and Oklahoma make more than the others.

By staying in the Big 12, Texas will be allowed to start its own television network and keep all revenues from it.

Scott said that would not have been the case if Texas joined the Pac-10.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jX9oueWn29g0teUqN-WpLhAxBwqgD9GCK7280

 

[Sid]

 

[Sid]

What did we give up?
Be specific, please. No one else that ascribes to your school of thought is doing so.

Ok! I was hoping you would have been able to figure it out by now. So let me take a second to spell it out for you. C-O-N-T-R-O-L!

OU athletics is OFFICIALLY under the control of the Whorns and the Texas Legislature. They control OU’s fate. You may be ok with that but I think it is a terrible position for OU to be in. I hope all of the people out there that keep babbling on and on about the tradition of the RRR, greasy turkey legs, nasty corny dogs, stale beer, and cotton candy are happy now.

By the way, Boone gave Texas 100,000,000 dollars back in 2007 so we know where his allegiance lies. In the future, concerning vital matters that are in the best interest of the whorns, you can bet the remaining stooges (that were dressed up with no place to go) will march in lock step with Texas. Tech may be the lone exception.

 

[r2b1]

At last -- someone willing to offer specifics!

I agree with #1; I think Joe C. probably wishes he could have that statement back, though who knows? Perhaps it was taken out of context and wasn't as bad in full context. I cringe at the soundbytes this could lead to...

But that's just public perception. It doesn't mean he would have -- or should have -- actually done anything differently, even if he'd kept his cards closer to his vest. Agreed. My preference was to stay in the Big 12 - I think we are the strongest conference collectively when you consider football and basketball.

No. 2 -- I wish Nebraska hadn't left, but who is there to be mad at? Not Joe C. or Boren, who seem to be taking most of the heat from the Grass-Is-Greener crowd. I'm a chick; therefore, I can be mad without having to identify or name a specific target.

As it is, NU's brand wasn't what it once was. Are they in the process of reviving their football program to Top Ten status? Perhaps, but I'm skeptical.Sit back and watch. I think they will do well in the Big 10 - I actually think it is a really good fit for them. I know I will be rooting for them.

In any case, I don't know what we -- OU, and its decision makers -- could have done differently to prevent -- or in response to -- NU's departure. And running off willy-nilly to join a different conference simply because NU did so doesn't seem terribly prudent. I was not one that was in support of joining the PAC 10. I didn't like the travel, the time difference, didn't see much of an improvement other than the ability to re-negotiate a tv contract.

Ultimately, I just don't like how it all went down. I do think we made out well given the "alleged" end result, just didn't like the road getting there.

See above

 

[Sid]

What did we give up?

According to Cheno, a super conference having its own TV network would take away hundreds of millions of dollars from the traditional networks. However, after Beebe finished doing his due diligence, he decided the conference would be better off letting the networks keep all of the money for themselves. I recall reading something about Fox wanting to lock in the conference for 18 years. As fast as technology changes, locking in the conference for 18 years would be a smart business decision by Beebe.

 

[Cheno]

According to Cheno, a super conference having its own TV network would take away hundreds of millions of dollars from the traditional networks. However, after Beebe finished doing his due diligence, he decided the conference would be better off letting the networks keep all of the money for themselves. I recall reading something about Fox wanting to lock in the conference for 18 years. As fast as technology changes, locking in the conference for 18 years would be a smart business decision by Beebe.

No, according to common sense and multiple published reports the networks and many others don't want this super conference thing to happen.
It doesn't take a genius to know getting rid of the NCAA tourney as it stands today is bad for CBS.

And Beebe isn't letting the networks keep all the money.....the Big 12 teams will get nearly twice as much TV money as they currently do.

Another weak effort.

 

[Max Power]

No, according to common sense and multiple published reports the networks and many others don't want this super conference thing to happen.
It doesn't take a genius to know getting rid of the NCAA tourney as it stands today is bad for CBS.

And Beebe isn't letting the networks keep all the money.....the Big 12 teams will get nearly twice as much TV money as they currently do.

Another weak effort.

They dont want it to happen UNTIL they strike a deal with the super conferences. now they have 4 years to negotiate with the Big 10/12, the Pac 10/12, and the SEC. then they wont give a damn about us.