Who is the most under-rated player in the big 12?

[sharp1]

ESPN:

All-Big 12


First team



Rodney McGruder, senior, Kansas State
Ben McLemore, freshman, Kansas
Romero Osby, senior, Oklahoma
Marcus Smart, freshman, Oklahoma State
Jeff Withey, senior, Kansas

Second team

Markel Brown, junior, Oklahoma State
Melvin Ejim, junior, Iowa State
Pierre Jackson, senior, Baylor
Travis Releford, senior, Kansas
Angel Rodriguez, sophomore, Kansas State


Player of the Year: Jeff Withey, Kansas
Coach of the Year: Bruce Weber, Kansas State
Freshman of the Year: Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State
Transfer of the Year: Will Clyburn, Iowa State
Defensive Player of the Year: Jeff Withey, Kansas
Sixth Man of the Year: Tyrus McGee, Iowa State
Most Underrated: Steven Pledger, Oklahoma

Most Improved: Shane Southwell, Kansas State

 

[StatGeek]

Who is the most underrated word in this thread.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

Bruce Weber? :facepalm

 

[WaymanFan]

Bruce Weber? :facepalm

I can't argue with that selection. Who would have thought KSU would be anywhere near the top 10 in the country? Look on the bright side, though. Once Weber has to start recruiting his own players, they'll fall back to the middle of the pack.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

I can't argue with that selection. Who would have thought KSU would be anywhere near the top 10 in the country? Look on the bright side, though. Once Weber has to start recruiting his own players, they'll fall back to the middle of the pack.

True. I just look at what he was left and say Lon was left...

 

[steverocks35]

In my mind Sam Grooms is the most underrated player in the Big 12. (biased opinion obviously).

Most overrated? Marcus Smart. Good player, not great, overhyped.

 

[OSUFan]

In my mind Sam Grooms is the most underrated player in the Big 12. (biased opinion obviously).

Most overrated? Marcus Smart. Good player, not great, overhyped.

Not great? Every NBA scout disagrees with you.

 

[skyvue]

Not great? Every NBA scout disagrees with you.

You've spoken to them all, have you?

Smart's getting far more than his share of love from the press; please try to be satisfied with that and don't come here to police every post about him.

He's the most prolific flopper in the college hoops, I'll give you that. And it's not even close.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Not great? Every NBA scout disagrees with you.

they think he is a "great" prospect for this years draft ...

that is not close to the same thing considering the top of this years draft is said to be horrible historically

 

[MercedeSooner]

When you start having to always mention his intangibles as one of the main reasons why someone is better then his numbers state that guy is probably overrated.

 

[BoulderSooner]

When you start having to always mention his intangibles as one of the main reasons why someone is better then his numbers state that guy is probably overrated.

yep he is a good player that is an ok college defender (that grabs a bunch) that is a bad shooter

 

[bballfan2012]

yep he is a good player that is an ok college defender (that grabs a bunch) that is a bad shooter

Would you consider Hield a bad shooter?

Smart 14.9ppg, 5.7reb/g, 4.3ast/g, 40% FG, 28% 3PT, 3steals/g
Hield 8.2ppg, 4.1reb/g, 2ast/g, 39% FG, 27% 3PT, 1.2steals/g

Oh, he also brings those "intangibles" that Hield could only dream about.

 

[MercedeSooner]

Would you consider Hield a bad shooter?

Smart 14.9ppg, 5.7reb/g, 4.3ast/g, 40% FG, 28% 3PT, 3steals/g
Hield 8.2ppg, 4.1reb/g, 2ast/g, 39% FG, 27% 3PT, 1.2steals/g

Oh, he also brings those "intangibles" that Hield could only dream about.

Cause people on this board have been spouting what a great offensive player/shooter Buddy is with his knuckleball shot.

Smart is to flopping as Buddy is to defense.

 

[skyvue]

Would you consider Hield a bad shooter?

Smart 14.9ppg, 5.7reb/g, 4.3ast/g, 40% FG, 28% 3PT, 3steals/g
Hield 8.2ppg, 4.1reb/g, 2ast/g, 39% FG, 27% 3PT, 1.2steals/g

Oh, he also brings those "intangibles" that Hield could only dream about.

The difference being, of course, that unlike Smart, Hield isn't being heralded by anyone -- OU fans, the media, anyone -- as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Smart's a better shooter than I am, too, but I'm not being touted for the Wooden award.

And if by "intangibles," you mean flopping ten times a game, you're right: It's Smart in a landslide.

 

[pnkranger]

Would you consider Hield a bad shooter?

Smart 14.9ppg, 5.7reb/g, 4.3ast/g, 40% FG, 28% 3PT, 3steals/g
Hield 8.2ppg, 4.1reb/g, 2ast/g, 39% FG, 27% 3PT, 1.2steals/g

Oh, he also brings those "intangibles" that Hield could only dream about.

I'm not sure what you mean by intangibles Hield could only dream about. Smart is a better basketball player than Buddy. No one will argue that, but Buddy is every bit the leader Smart is. He is the catalyst for OU's resurgence and leads the team whether he's on the court or not.

 

[TheGimper]

And if by "intangibles," you mean flopping ten times a game, you're right: It's Smart in a landslide.

I'm pretty sure by intangibles they mean leading the Big 12 in turnovers.

 

[bballfan2012]

Cause people on this board have been spouting what a great offensive player/shooter Buddy is with his knuckleball shot.

Smart is to flopping as Buddy is to defense.

Smart is 10x the defender as Buddy is.

He is also a better offensive player to.

Hield is your best freshman by far. The other 2 are average.

I just think it's funny to read all the jealous comments on this board. If you had Smart on your team - do you really think you'd hear all these comments about him here?

Keep on going...they are good reads. That vinny guys comments are the best!

 

[BoulderSooner]

Would you consider Hield a bad shooter?

Smart 14.9ppg, 5.7reb/g, 4.3ast/g, 40% FG, 28% 3PT, 3steals/g
Hield 8.2ppg, 4.1reb/g, 2ast/g, 39% FG, 27% 3PT, 1.2steals/g

Oh, he also brings those "intangibles" that Hield could only dream about.

yes i would

neither are good shooters at this point

numbers by month

smart
Nov 20-53 37.7% 4-20 from 3 20%
Dec 27-71 38.0% 12-37 from 3 32.4%
Jan 33-67 49% 6/16 from 3 37.5%
Feb 37-102 36.2% 10/33 from 3 30.03%
Mar 11-28 39.2% 1-9 from 3 11.1%


smart has shot above 40% one month this season

Hield
Nov 23-56 41.0% 7-22 from 3 31.8%
Dec 14-40 35.0% 6/16 from 3 37.5%
Jan 31/67 46.2% 5/20 from 3 25.0%
Feb 6/22 27.2% 1/12 from 3 8.3%

and buddy has shot in the 40's 2 months of the season

the each have 1 good shooting month Jan

 

[BoulderSooner]

Smart is 10x the defender as Buddy is.

no he really is not .. it is very arguable that he is a better defender at all ..

 

[pnkranger]

no he really is not .. it is very arguable that he is a better defender at all ..

Smart is more of a gambler defensively than Buddy is, which pushes his steal numbers way up. But I would argue that his overall team defense is not ahead of Buddy's.