Worst Coach in the Big XII?

[OUhoops11]

It is not Jeff Capel's fault that his team did not make the post season? Whose fault is it? Your refusal to acknowledge reality is the problem. I don't hate Capel and I love OU basketball. However, the guy has not done a good job. He has a losing conference recrod and he will be way below .500 after this year unless something miraculous happens.

Coaches can't control everything. Let me guess, you blame Bob Stoops for not making a BCS bowl last year too

 

[campbest]

Coaches can't control everything. Let me guess, you blame Bob Stoops for not making a BCS bowl last year too

He can control who he recruits.

 

[okcsooner83]

Capel is one of the bottom four coaches in the big 12. He is in over his head, just look at OU"s current roster and you will see he can't evaluate talent. I'll always support the players but I have no faith in his ability to run a program such as OU.

 

[DenverSooner]

Coaches can't control everything. Let me guess, you blame Bob Stoops for not making a BCS bowl last year too

You seriously want to compare Capel to Stoops? Lets do that.

Stoops came to OU in 1988 following 5 seasons without a winning record and three straight losing seasons. In his first season he showed remarkable progress, had a winning record and went to a bowl game. He also had a lead in every game. Stoops won the NC the next season. He has won 7 conference Championships and played for it 8 times. He has been to a bowl ever season and been to three NC games.

Capel came to OU when it had been to the most consecutive post seasons. He missed the post season (a step backwards). Then he was one game above .500 in conference play with a front court of Longar Longar, Blake Griffin, and Taylor Griffin. The next season was great. He went to the great 8 but many people were down on the team, predicting an early loss to Syracuse in the Tournament. I said Tony Crocker would go off and OU would win. That is exactly what happened. He got blown out by North Carolina in the final game of the season. Then he posted the worst record in a long, long time. Now he has a terrible team. The guy has a losing record in conference play. There is simply no comparison of Capel to Bob Stoops.

Would you like to try a comparison with Billly Tubbs, Kelvin Sampson or Sherri Coale? Those won't go well either.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

DISCLAIMER​

Unfortunately the board will be as miserable as it became during the " Pumpers vs " Cleti" feud at the end of the Sampson era. You have posters who will show up for every game, and they will post in the official game thread about how awful the coach is. You then will get those who want to argue with them and defend the current coach, and eventually you will see the board become a constant feud over if the coach should go or stay

The worst part about it is that Sooner fans who come here to just support the team no matter who the admin hires/fires/keeps/etc, get lost in the shuffle, or just grow tired of the pissing matches and leave. I wanted to follow the game in the game thread tonight, but avoided it because I knew that it would be similar to the OF threads during games.

Sadly, neither side will back off because you have 5-10 posters who just have to be right, and they have to interject their " expertise" into every thread on the board.....:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm

Wow Prophetic Post​

 

[OUhoops11]

You seriously want to compare Capel to Stoops? Lets do that.

Stoops came to OU in 1988 following 5 seasons without a winning record and three straight losing seasons. In his first season he showed remarkable progress, had a winning record and went to a bowl game. He also had a lead in every game. Stoops won the NC the next season. He has won 7 conference Championships and played for it 8 times. He has been to a bowl ever season and been to three NC games.

Capel came to OU when it had been to the most consecutive post seasons. He missed the post season (a step backwards). Then he was one game above .500 in conference play with a front court of Longar Longar, Blake Griffin, and Taylor Griffin. The next season was great. He went to the great 8 but many people were down on the team, predicting an early loss to Syracuse in the Tournament. I said Tony Crocker would go off and OU would win. That is exactly what happened. He got blown out by North Carolina in the final game of the season. Then he posted the worst record in a long, long time. Now he has a terrible team. The guy has a losing record in conference play. There is simply no comparison of Capel to Bob Stoops.

Would you like to try a comparison with Billly Tubbs, Kelvin Sampson or Sherri Coale? Those won't go well either.

Can you please show me where I compared Capel to Stoops? Your reading comprehension needs help...

 

[Big Old Booger]

Can you please show me where I compared Capel to Stoops? Your reading comprehension needs help...

You are the one that put Capel and Stoops in the same sentence. Capel is by far the worst basketball coach at OU since before John MacLeod and that was almost 50 years ago. He can't coach, he can't recruit, and based on his most recent assistant coaching hires, he is not very good at that either.

As I've said in plenty of other posts, Capel is the worst coach in the league. The only 2 that may be worse are the CU and ISU coaches, and I would bet Hoiberg beats us this year in Ames so that puts him ahead of Capel in my book.

 

[Dem Coltz]

Coaches can't control everything. Let me guess, you blame Bob Stoops for not making a BCS bowl last year too

Admit it OUhoops11. Now do you remember how you put Capel and Bob Stoops in the same sentence? See above. Wait, what's the definition of a sentence?

 

[OUhoops11]

You are the one that put Capel and Stoops in the same sentence. Capel is by far the worst basketball coach at OU since before John MacLeod and that was almost 50 years ago. He can't coach, he can't recruit, and based on his most recent assistant coaching hires, he is not very good at that either.

As I've said in plenty of other posts, Capel is the worst coach in the league. The only 2 that may be worse are the CU and ISU coaches, and I would bet Hoiberg beats us this year in Ames so that puts him ahead of Capel in my book.

Right, because putting them in the same sentence means I'm comparing the two. :facepalm

 

[seniorsooner]

While I agree that this thread is utterly pointless, I do find it odd that some posters on this board seem to be surprised by the fact that there is so much anti-Capel sentiment present. When you lose 20 of 28 games that's what happens. It goes with the territory, as it should. Our basketball program is too good to settle for this nonsense.

 

[SoonerinNC]

None of us like losing, particularly to teams like Chaminade and Virginia and Arkansas are teams that most OU teams in the last quarter century would have beaten.

But I doubt that many if any of us are qualified to rate college coaches.

Some things are obvious

In Capel's favor:

Recruiting of NBA caliber players Griffin, Warren and possibly Gallon.

Advanced to Elite 8 and to NCAA twice

A number of good wins

tough issues

Cratered late in season in first and 4th season

Five underclassmen left program after last season. Other productive players, Maze and Portillo also left in earlier years.

Some really bad losses by significant margins.

I don't know how to rate him. Drew has good talent but his teams are typically undisciplined. Texas and Kansas have a huge recruiting advantage.

I'm suprised at the low ratings for Knight. He went 2-0 against us last year with clearly inferior talent. Frankly I have been pretty impressed with how well his teams play.

Martin was panned pretty well by the Insider board early on but he seems to have the last laugh.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the number of players who have left or have been run off. Sampson had a pretty high turnover too, but while Capel seems to be a pretty even tempered guy Sampson was pretty tough to play for. As someone pointed out we would clearly be a better team with Gallon, Patillo and TMG still around. The key would be getting them to play but that is the coaches job.

I think Capel suffers a little bit from the upgrading of coaches in virtually every Big 12 team. Drew seems to be maturing, ATM has clearly upgraded, Martin has emerged, and Anderson is a huge upgrade over Quinn.

 

[outest]

Jim Boeheim coached Camelo Anthony (in his freshman year) to the national championship. Wonder if he can do the same with Blake Griffin. That's Elite Level coaching. Looking around the Big 12 there are only 2 elite coaches: Bill Self and Mike Anderson.

 

[propoke]

i think ford is a nice coach but i'm saying he hasn't accomplished anything more than capel at this point.

It's not what Ford has accomplished its more what he hasn't allowed to happen. So far at OSU he has made the tournament 100% of the time. At OU Capel has missed both tournaments 50% of the time. And at this point OSU's season outlook is better than OU's.

I'm not saying Capel is the worst coach in the Big 12. You can't forget about what he did with BG. However at this point you can't say he is better than Ford. We will know more about Ford in a couple of years.

 

[Cheno]

Looking around the Big 12 there are only 2 elite coaches: Bill Self and Mike Anderson.

How in the world could Mike Anderson be considered one only 2 elite coaches in the Big 12?

 

[jerry]

Who is it? I say Jeff Capel, what do you say?

Pat Knight may deserve some consideration. Perhaps the guys at CU and ISU deserve some consideration. Clearly Texas, OSU, Baylor, A&M, Kansas, KSU and Missouri have better coaches. I think Nebraska has a better coach.

If you don't think it is Capel, tell me who and why you believe that.

Absolutely I think it is Capel.