700 D-1 transfers this year. Problem? You decide.

bgrch1350 said:
I think it does an injustice to the schools and coaches that find these kids and develop them into solid players just to see some other coach and school reap the rewards.
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Interesting thought. But do they make coaches sit out a year when they decide to transfer?
 
I think it's a crap loophole, and I'd love to see it closed.
 
skyvue said:
As is discussed above, it's happened at OU in football, with our (admittedly much-criticized) backup QB.

As long as OU is good, we won't mind, as we wouldn't likely lose a top-drawer player. If Spangler, say, had another year of eligibility this year, is it likely he would want to transfer? No. What would he gain?

On the other hand, if a player of, say, DJ Bennett's caliber had gotten his degree and wanted to spend his final year of eligibility elsewhere so that he might see more playing time, I don't think anyone would have been upset. Sorry to see him go? Sure, but it wouldn't have been a big hit to the team and I think most fans would have understood DJ wanting to get as much playing time as possible in his final season.
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Again...2 players that mean nothing to the program are not good examples. I'm talking about a player like Thomas. It's one thing for him to transfer in but it's another for him to transfer out.
 
oudna said:
Interesting thought. But do they make coaches sit out a year when they decide to transfer?
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No but contracts have to be bought out for coaches. They still have the option to transfer anytime but the player just has to sit out a year.
 
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bgrch1350 said:
No but contracts have to be bought out for coaches. They still have the option to transfer anytime but the player just has to sit out a year.
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The coach's aren't buying them out though, it's the new school. Sunk cost. Non-cash. Irrelevant.
 
How anyone can sit there and say with a straight face that kids who have graduated from their current school shouldn't be able to head elsewhere while continuing their athletic career just boggles my mind. It's also kind of sad to see how anti-student athlete many posters here are.

The kids who graduate transfer are in two boats: overlooked kids who went to small schools and then perform at a high level and want to get a chance to showcase their talents against the best of the best; and kids at bigger schools riding the bench who want to get some playing time their senior year. And people on here want to take that chance for these kids away, after they've fulfilled any potential "obligation" to the schools that give them year to year scholarships by graduating.
 
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sperry said:
How anyone can sit there and say with a straight face that kids who have graduated from their current school shouldn't be able to head elsewhere while continuing their athletic career just boggles my mind. It's also kind of sad to see how anti-student athlete many posters here are.

The kids who graduate transfer are in two boats: overlooked kids who went to small schools and then perform at a high level and want to get a chance to showcase their talents against the best of the best; and kids at bigger schools riding the bench who want to get some playing time their senior year. And people on here want to take that chance for these kids away, after they've fulfilled any potential "obligation" to the schools that give them year to year scholarships by graduating.
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I mentioned in a previous post that I'm all for it, but do think they need to tighten the rules a bit...mostly because of examples like the White kid from Nebraska. No D-1 team wants to lose their best returning player because of this rule in JUNE. If he had told them in early April that there was no way he was coming back, they could have at least had the opportunity to get someone in the late signing period. Now, the Cornhuskers are screwed for 2016-2017. If this ever happens at OU, I'm 100% convinced you will see a lot of our fans screaming for that rule to be changed.
 
sperry said:
How anyone can sit there and say with a straight face that kids who have graduated from their current school shouldn't be able to head elsewhere while continuing their athletic career just boggles my mind. It's also kind of sad to see how anti-student athlete many posters here are.

The kids who graduate transfer are in two boats: overlooked kids who went to small schools and then perform at a high level and want to get a chance to showcase their talents against the best of the best; and kids at bigger schools riding the bench who want to get some playing time their senior year. And people on here want to take that chance for these kids away, after they've fulfilled any potential "obligation" to the schools that give them year to year scholarships by graduating.
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Its sad that you think that a smaller college should never get over the top b/c the ncaa allows their best players to transfer to top schools without any punishment. These kids could transfer anytime but they wait until their last year to screw over the team that didn't overlook them, gave them a scholarship, help them get their degree, developed them into the players that they are to just allow bigger colleges to reap the rewards.

What obligation did they fulfill? Theres nothing binding them to 4 years. Nothing keeping them from transferring before they graduate. Most of the colleges wouldn't take these transfers if they had to sit out a year and only got them for one year. Not to mention, these kids transfer to a different school after they graduate which means they aren't even really getting a student-athlete. They are getting an athlete who most likely won't even be a student in the 2nd semester.

This rule is a joke on so many levels. Its not the one and done rule that is hurting the game its this rule. In basketball, the best players are leaving their colleges. In football, its backups that aren't playing leaving. Just like Knight and Ross.
 
And stop the presses because bgrch and I agree on something in the post Capel era!
 
bgrch1350 said:
What obligation did they fulfill? Theres nothing binding them to 4 years. N
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Answered it yourself...most scholarships are one-year contracts...that is the obligation. Nothing else.

In order to change what is allowed/expected for the athlete, you have to change the contract.
 
I wonder how many college football transfers there are in a year. FWIW, here is a link to a list from Athlon Sports listing their version of ...

College Football's Top 100 Impact Transfers for 2016:
http://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-100-impact-transfers-2016

Several Sooners are included on Athlon's 2016 "Top 100" football transfer list. There are at least 5 players on the list that have transferred away from the University of Texas, as well as multiple players from LSU, Alabama, USC, and other top football programs.

Obviously, there are transfers in other college sports as well. In the 2013 softball season, Kelsey Stevens was a freshman pitcher at Stanford, where she started 21 games; led the Cardinal with 163 strikeouts (ranking seventh in the Pac-12); and held opponents to a .203 batting average (ranking fourth in the Pac-12). She then transferred to Oklahoma and in 2014 was OU's primary pitcher as a sophomore. She did not have to sit out a year. (@)

Kelsey Stevens:
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208862368&DB_OEM_ID=31000

Just about a week ago, it was announced that OU freshman softball pitcher Brittany Finney has transferred to Ole Miss, where she will be immediately eligible for the Rebels beginning in the spring of 2017 and have three years of eligibility remaining.

(@) The transfer rules are more strict in football and basketball (men's and women's). In other sports, it is commonplace for transfers to be immediately eligible at their new colleges, even as underclassmen.
 
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Very interesting. How many D-1 scholarship players are there? Lets estimate it at 4,550(350X13) but freshman really can't transfer so a better number is 3,412. 700 represents approximately 20% of all potential players that could transfer.

Now if you say 5 guys on each team have starting spots, the percentage of transfers to non-starters is 42%. To me that seems crazy.

Obviously my numbers are rough. Some freshman take starting spots and occasionally a starter transfers but it does seem that a very large percentage of non-starters transfer.
 
Good analysis Denver. Also consider that most Division 1 basketball programs do not carry a full load of 13 scholarship players. I guess this factor is somewhat offset by the fact that some transfers are made between Division 1 schools and schools that compete at lower level athletic divisions.

In any event, the percentage of Division 1 non-starters that transfer is mind blowing. I guess there will be 700+ more next season.
 
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