Buddy Makes Wooden Top 20

[Max Power]

So what do you make of his performance when he shared the floor Marcus Smart, Markel Brown, and Phil Forte? Does that impact your analysis at all?

OU swept that team too so i would still go with Spangler, Buddy, and Cousins would take away shots from him.

 

[152219]

Field goal attempts in conference play

Nash 167
Thomas 117
Spangler 90
Cobbins 46

FWIW, Nash leads the conference in field goals attempts.

 

[Max Power]

At least we settled the Cade Davis argument...took three years, but you guys finally came around.

Cheers!

The Cade Davis argument is why i was so frustrated with Caple. Cade should have never had to be in a position where he should be OU's best player and #1 Option. That was all on Caple.

 

[DenverSooner]

So what do you make of his performance when he shared the floor Marcus Smart, Markel Brown, and Phil Forte? Does that impact your analysis at all?

Those guys were guards. Nash did most of the front court scoring. The make up of a team impacts scoring by position. It is simply a fact.

With that said, I think Nash is a guy that will make a contribution on any college team. He is a good player. It is simply not a given that he starts over Thomas. Those that say it is, are nuts and cannot support it with anything other than him averaging 5.1 points per game more than Thomas in conference play. Everything else pretty much favors Thomas. Therefore a decision maker has to decide what he wants.

 

[campbest]

The Cade Davis argument is why i was so frustrated with Caple. Cade should have never had to be in a position where he should be OU's best player and #1 Option. That was all on Caple.

...but yet some people still argued for Cade as Big XII starter for any team.

 

[thebigabd]

Those guys were guards. Nash did most of the front court scoring. The make up of a team impacts scoring by position. It is simply a fact.

With that said, I think Nash is a guy that will make a contribution on any college team. He is a good player. It is simply not a given that he starts over Thomas. Those that say it is, are nuts and cannot support it with anything other than him averaging 5.1 points per game more than Thomas in conference play. Everything else pretty much favors Thomas. Therefore a decision maker has to decide what he wants.

There is a gigantic difference between averaging 17.1 ppg and averaging 11.0 ppg. Lots of guys average 11, not many guys average 17.

My point being that when you go around saying the "only" difference is 5-6 points per game you are talking about something very significant. There are hundreds of guys out there averaging 11 points per game. Far less are averaging 17.

 

[bocabull]

Spangler is better than Nash. Nash is basically a Cameron Clark clone. Clark was 3rd team all big XII. Nice players but not as complete or efficient as Spangler.

 

[Zimwillett]

There is a gigantic difference between averaging 17.1 ppg and averaging 11.0 ppg. Lots of guys average 11, not many guys average 17.

My point being that when you go around saying the "only" difference is 5-6 points per game you are talking about something very significant. There are hundreds of guys out there averaging 11 points per game. Far less are averaging 17.

FWIW, exactly 92 guys in DI are averaging 17.0 ppg or more this season. I don't think that proves or disproves anything in this discussion, but there it is.

 

[kbsooner]

...but yet some people still argued for Cade as Big XII starter for any team.

Cade Davis would start for OSU this year.

 

[Zimwillett]

Cade Davis would start for OSU this year.

:ez-roll:

/thread

 

[SoonerBounce13]

There is a gigantic difference between averaging 17.1 ppg and averaging 11.0 ppg. Lots of guys average 11, not many guys average 17.

My point being that when you go around saying the "only" difference is 5-6 points per game you are talking about something very significant. There are hundreds of guys out there averaging 11 points per game. Far less are averaging 17.

Nash is taking almost twice as many shots as spangs to get that 5-6 point difference.

If Nash was on this team instead of spangler or thomas, he would not be scoring at the clip he is.

 

[BigTime]

Nash's problem is that he is a mental midget.

 

[DenverSooner]

Nash is taking almost twice as many shots as spangs to get that 5-6 point difference.

If Nash was on this team instead of spangler or thomas, he would not be scoring at the clip he is.

Any one that argues Nash would start at OU over Spangler knows almost nothing about basketball. Spangler is the most underrated player in the Big XII and I suspect all of the coaches know it. He makes 60% of his attempts. He is the third leading rebounder in the conference. He is a top scorer. he hits enough threes at a high enough rate to spread the floor for other players. He is a good defensive player. He is one of the top shot blockers in the conference.

The only player Nash could possibly replace is Thomas.

 

[SoonerJK12]

Nash is taking almost twice as many shots as spangs to get that 5-6 point difference.

If Nash was on this team instead of spangler or thomas, he would not be scoring at the clip he is.

Bounce is right. Nash's points per game are inflated by the absurd number of touches he gets in a game. Kenpom says that Nash leads the league in %Poss statistic…by five percentages points.

Percentage of possessions used (%Poss): A measure of personal possessions used while the player is on the court. Simply assigns credit or blame to a player when his actions end a possession, either by making a shot, missing a shot that isn’t rebounded by the offense, or committing a turnover.

 

[DenverSooner]

Does that mean leading the country in this stat is a bad thing? I just want to make sure I understand this and that is how I am interpreting what you are saying. Sort of like plus minus (typically a hockey stat but being used more in basketball these days) where a minus is horrible even if you score 3 goals in a game (or 15+ points in basketball).

 

[SoonerJK12]

When I said "league" I meant the Big 12. Nash is leading the Big 12 in %poss. I'm not saying it's good or it's bad necessarily. It's just a mark of how the offense is very much centered around him. He gets the ball A TON, because there is not a lot of weapons around him; thus, his scoring has increased this year.

 

[CoachTalk]

saw Buddy picked 20th-22nd to cavs... in a mock draft.. trying to find the link again

 

[SilliSooner]

C'mon, man. Nash averages more because they've got no one else to score. Cobbins, Allen? Those guys are scrubs and wouldn't start on at least five Big 12 teams. So naturally, Nash's numbers are inflated. If you're comparing apples to apples go back and check Tayshawn's stats at Houston where he was almost in the exact position as Nash relative to touches.

Nash has some skills and great jumping ability but it doesn't look like he's benefitted from coaching. He should be a three but his ball handling doesn't warrant it. Nor does his perimeter defense. From what I've seen Thomas is not only a better dribbler, he also has a better post up game than Nash.

 

[DenverSooner]

Nash's biggest advantage is getting to the line. He is very effective at that. That part of his game is likely the majority reason he scores more points. But those foul shots also mean he requires even more touches because they don't count as a shot attempt.