Can you guys explain some Trump things to me?

[sheepdogs1]

No couldn't care less actually.

Imo it's actually insulting to them to be nominated only bc their skin color matches up with an identity politics concession tho.

I like Clarence thomas prolly 2nd to Scalia in modern supreme court justices (poor guy was put through that Anita hill hoax)

It is automatically assumed that it is a problem with you because people should not be judged by their merits. Just as the person questioning you should not be judged by their merits. For them appearance and convenience matters and that's all there is to it.

 

[hoopsaustin]

It is automatically assumed that it is a problem with you because people should not be judged by their merits. Just as the person questioning you should not be judged by their merits. For them appearance and convenience matters and that's all there is to it.

I just want the best person for the job, as always (in this case, in line with my preferred politics).

Its freakin 2020, there are no barriers to entry to any job, if there are racial disparities its likely bc the races dont seek out that job at rates of other races and there is the pesky fact that whites still make up 72% of the US population.

I just want someday for racism to die all the way and everyone shuts up and gets along and just does their damn jobs

 

[sheepdogs1]

I just want the best person for the job, as always (in this case, in line with my preferred politics).

Its freakin 2020, there are no barriers to entry to any job, if there are racial disparities its likely bc the races dont seek out that job at rates of other races and there is the pesky fact that whites still make up 72% of the US population.

I just want someday for racism to die all the way and everyone shuts up and gets along and just does their damn jobs

And I completely agree, but there are those, and we know who they are, would scoff at the idea that they did not look the part when trying to field a job. You see for them it would not be acceptable, but for others they've got no problem with it and it is "convenience matters" front and center.

 

[Eielson]

We weren’t talking about the Supreme Court, but there are plenty of qualified African-American women. Is that a problem for you?

Yes, it's a problem for me when you guarantee a position based on race and gender rather than merit. Isn't that the exact thing we're trying to avoid?

 

[thebigabd]

Yes, it's a problem for me when you guarantee a position based on race and gender rather than merit. Isn't that the exact thing we're trying to avoid?

I don't know... That's tricky. We talked about this earlier with the Brett Kavanaugh situation. he specifically hired female law clerks to get more female representation in the field.

I think he did a good thing. But, he clearly picked based on gender. Did a more qualified male get passed over?

Same thing here... getting more minority or female representation in a certain field.

As Hoops pointed out, whites have a 72% majority. The amount of well-qualified people in this category is overwhelmingly going to favor that group. In fact, I could argue that unless a black, hispanic, or female candidate is other-worldly qualified, and your decision was based exclusively on merit, it would be difficult to have any minority representation based on numbers alone.

Then you consider that white people, through history, connections, schooling, socio-economic status, etc that the majority group is even more in a position to basically always be selected.

So, you either do what Kavanaugh did and apparently what Biden is saying he will do, and select specifically in a way that is based on merit, gender, etc or you just don't have minority or female representation in these positions.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't know... That's tricky. We talked about this earlier with the Brett Kavanaugh situation. he specifically hired female law clerks to get more female representation in the field.

I think he did a good thing. But, he clearly picked based on gender. Did a more qualified male get passed over?

Same thing here... getting more minority or female representation in a certain field.

As Hoops pointed out, whites have a 72% majority. The amount of well-qualified people in this category is overwhelmingly going to favor that group. In fact, I could argue that unless a black, hispanic, or female candidate is other-worldly qualified, and your decision was based exclusively on merit, it would be difficult to have any minority representation based on numbers alone.

Then you consider that white people, through history, connections, schooling, socio-economic status, etc that the majority group is even more in a position to basically always be selected.

So, you either do what Kavanaugh did and apparently what Biden is saying he will do, and select specifically in a way that is based on merit, gender, etc or you just don't have minority or female representation in these positions.

Even if I agree with you that what Kavanaugh did was ultimately "good", that isn't what Biden is doing. He isn't doing it to give minority women "a chance." He is doing it for the votes it creates. Period.

 

[thebigabd]

Even if I agree with you that what Kavanaugh did was ultimately "good", that isn't what Biden is doing. He isn't doing it to give minority women "a chance." He is doing it for the votes it creates. Period.

Ok, so then your problem isn't selecting blacks, Hispanics, women, etc specifically to give them representation, or a chance, etc... Your problem is the person's individual motive for doing it. Kavanaugh had pure motives, Biden had political motives.

I am fine with that. Hard to prove what his motives are, but nothing wrong with you questioning someone motives and having a problem with it.

 

[Sooner04]

Yes, it's a problem for me when you guarantee a position based on race and gender rather than merit. Isn't that the exact thing we're trying to avoid?

Bingo.

Even if I agree with you that what Kavanaugh did was ultimately "good", that isn't what Biden is doing. He isn't doing it to give minority women "a chance." He is doing it for the votes it creates. Period.

It's not like this is new. Hell, JFK and LBJ couldn't stand each other. But Kennedy needed Texas.

The crazy thing is Biden doesn't need anything like that. He just needs to stay out of his own way. I have no problem with women of color (I wish Condi Rice would run for President, but she's too smart for that) I just don't want Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams a heartbeat from the Resolute Desk.

 

[Eielson]

I don't know... That's tricky. We talked about this earlier with the Brett Kavanaugh situation. he specifically hired female law clerks to get more female representation in the field.

I think he did a good thing. But, he clearly picked based on gender. Did a more qualified male get passed over?

Same thing here... getting more minority or female representation in a certain field.

As Hoops pointed out, whites have a 72% majority. The amount of well-qualified people in this category is overwhelmingly going to favor that group. In fact, I could argue that unless a black, hispanic, or female candidate is other-worldly qualified, and your decision was based exclusively on merit, it would be difficult to have any minority representation based on numbers alone.

Then you consider that white people, through history, connections, schooling, socio-economic status, etc that the majority group is even more in a position to basically always be selected.

So, you either do what Kavanaugh did and apparently what Biden is saying he will do, and select specifically in a way that is based on merit, gender, etc or you just don't have minority or female representation in these positions.

I don't have a problem with a "tie goes to the runner" approach to underrepresented people. I do have a problem with awarding somebody first base just for fouling a few pitches off, though.

 

[steverocks35]

Yes, it's a problem for me when you guarantee a position based on race and gender rather than merit. Isn't that the exact thing we're trying to avoid?

Hence the term “well qualified.” If he walks outside and asks the first African-American woman he sees if she wants to be on the Supreme Court I’ll agree with you.

Besides representation there are actually many benefits from diversity, so picking a well-qualified African-American woman makes a lot of sense.

 

[Eielson]

Hence the term “well qualified.” If he walks outside and asks the first African-American woman he sees if she wants to be on the Supreme Court I’ll agree with you.

Besides representation there are actually many benefits from diversity, so picking a well-qualified African-American woman makes a lot of sense.

I want to pick a well-qualified white WR to support my franchise QB, so I go searching for one and land Cooper Kupp. Great WR...love the guy. Certainly not some bum off the street. Meanwhile I just passed on Deandre Hopkins, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, etc.

...for Cooper ****ing Kupp. You see the problem with that?

 

[mict085]

More people waking up to the lies of the NYT and the attacks on Trump. The entire Russia investigation was based on lies.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/aug/6/editorial-new-york-times-editor-who-unleashed-stee/

 

[stormspencer]

Bingo.

It's not like this is new. Hell, JFK and LBJ couldn't stand each other. But Kennedy needed Texas.

The crazy thing is Biden doesn't need anything like that. He just needs to stay out of his own way. I have no problem with women of color (I wish Condi Rice would run for President, but she's too smart for that) I just don't want Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams a heartbeat from the Resolute Desk.

Amen brother.

 

[WTSooner]

It's not like this is new. Hell, JFK and LBJ couldn't stand each other. But Kennedy needed Texas.

The crazy thing is Biden doesn't need anything like that. He just needs to stay out of his own way. I have no problem with women of color (I wish Condi Rice would run for President, but she's too smart for that) I just don't want Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams a heartbeat from the Resolute Desk.

Oh, I agree it's not new.

The fact that Stacey Abrams is in the running is how I know he isn't out to find the best candidates. That lady is a clown. Straight up idiot IMO.

I don't have a problem with a "tie goes to the runner" approach to underrepresented people. I do have a problem with awarding somebody first base just for fouling a few pitches off, though.

Agree with this as well. If there are two similar candidates, one white, one black, if the black candidate opens up some new voters or makes sense for some other reason, I have zero problem with it.

But Stacey Abrams ain't that woman.

 

[thebigabd]

I think the following should happen:

Biden wins and assumes office in January 2021, assuming he lives that long.
On February 1st, Clarence Thomas, RBG, and Stephen Breyer Retire
On February 2nd, Joe Biden calls me and asks me who he should nominate
On February 3rd, I provide the 3 names to Biden
On February 4th, he nominates all 3

Sometime in the near future after that, with a strong blue majority in the Senate, they are all confirmed easily.

You guys on board?

 

[sheepdogs1]

I think the following should happen:

Biden wins and assumes office in January 2021, assuming he lives that long.
On February 1st, Clarence Thomas, RBG, and Stephen Breyer Retire
On February 2nd, Joe Biden calls me and asks me who he should nominate
On February 3rd, I provide the 3 names to Biden
On February 4th, he nominates all 3

Sometime in the near future after that, with a strong blue majority in the Senate, they are all confirmed easily.

You guys on board?

Are you bored?

 

[mict085]

More and more of the black and Latino community are flocking to Trump. He’s the best choice for Christian conservatives, which describe the black and Latino communities. They’re tired of dems ignoring them

 

[sheepdogs1]

More and more of the black and Latino community are flocking to Trump. He’s the best choice for Christian conservatives, which describe the black and Latino communities. They’re tired of dems ignoring them

I think it has more to do with being used like people do on a "one night stand" only to be forgotten the next day. It has to do with not being understood and feeling manipulated. A promise made should be a promise kept and some people feel like their life is an empty bastion of undelivered promises.

 

[mict085]

Haha

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[mict085]

Liberal hypocrisy on display yet again.

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